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Well...yes, for me, it would not be right to have anger in my heart at you. That doesn't mean I never have anger in my heart. I just wanted you to know that isn't the case here and I'm not angry at you.
Should you be angry at me? Do we know each other in anyway that something has been done to make you think that you don't need to be angry?

You know how I feel?

Calm and collected.
 

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You're under the false notion that you can have true conversion faith in God by your will power to believe. That failed big time.

I figured sooner or later you'd get to the point, you've done this same stunt on other sites. I suppose this is your 'gospel' missions campaign and message.
Okay, why does Jesus say this:

Matthew 21:22 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
 

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Oh gosh, so sorry to hear! I understand surgeries, I've had 6 and am looking at possibly 2 more in the future...will go as long as I can before another one! I hope you will be able to get back to the gym.
Heal well and fast! ♥
I am sorry @JellyJam ...don't mean to hijack your thread :oops:...haven't seen Willie in a bit!
I don't mind anyone talking about anything else in my thread's.
 

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His way is not always our way.

I’ve watched for years now as my grandchildren have gone from happy, hopeful, full of wonder and excitement ...to disappointed...to broken. I’ve no doubt they will have physiological damage as adults...like all of us I guess. But seeing it actually take place ...the damage being done and it is like fighting something from happening that is far beyond our control to stop. If one day, when they seek answers, they ask someone: “Was I wrong to hope that Jesus would fix me his way?” I pray someone is there to tell them... No I do not think you were wrong to have hope that He would fix you His way.

As my husband said tonight “this is a selfish world”. it is true. Romans 8:20
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Can’t tell why God subjected the creation to vanity but He did ...the word says God has His reason ...but it also says He subjected the same in hope. Look at Jesus and what He displayed to a selfish world. I can’t tell you Jesus will “fix” you by man’s standards but I can tell you He can teach you how to love and that is more “fixed” than some. Love can fix what hate destroyed...isn’t that the message. (Not mankind’s type of love but His Love). Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
More goes on in a persons choices/mind than is apparent to others. On the outside one may fool those around them, even fool ones self but the inside is known to God.
A lack spiritual of healing in the real sense has a its justifiable cause.
 

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It was the sixth operation on my knees.... and there is at least one more to go, maybe, two. But, on a brighter note, they tell me I may still have three or four more years to go before I am legally blind.

Or maybe God will let what sight you have left remain. Or maybe you will learn Braille and will feel His word with your very fingertips.

You seem to be an avid reader of books. You're always talking about something you've read. So even if you can no longer read, He will give you an alternative way to keep learning.

Books on tape also.

That's so many operations on your knees! I've heard it's tremendous pain because all your weight is taken by them. Hope you're not hurting so much soon.
 
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Come to think of it just now, Willie, I know you have been harmed by religion and some religious men in the past. I think I recall you saying you were really angry at this for some time. The op of this thread sounds like he had some similar experience. He might like to hear from you about it...
 

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Should you be angry at me? Do we know each other in anyway that something has been done to make you think that you don't need to be angry?

You know how I feel?

Calm and collected.

No, I don't think I should be angry at you. You mentioned that another poster seemed angry at you so I just wanted you to know I wasn't angry at you or trying to be angry mean to you by what I was saying. That's all.
 

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It was the sixth operation on my knees.... and there is at least one more to go, maybe, two. But, on a brighter note, they tell me I may still have three or four more years to go before I am legally blind.
The spiritual sight the Lords given you will be sufficient, although I’m sure that’s a scary thing to be up against.
 

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Come to think of it just now, Willie, I know you have been harmed by religion and some religious men in the past. I think I recall you saying you were really angry at this for some time. The op of this thread sounds like he had some similar experience. He might like to hear from you about it...
I can hear Willie's story. It better have some car chases and explosions in it, or I will lose interest.
 

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Wish I could say I’d wore out my knees 6 times pleading with the lord
I think that our maker is allowing itself not to interfere with our life's at this point. I say that because I figure it has already set everything in motion, and it is just waiting for us to arrive in it's light on the other side.
 

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It's still about three times worse than the last similar operation. I can manage only about 15 minutes at the computer, then I have to call it quits.

I clicked 'like' but I don't like your situation.
You obviously know that you must push through the pain and work the knee, so it doesn't heal stiff and straight. Ouch ...:oops: Praying for you ✟
 

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I think that our maker is allowing itself not to interfere with our life's at this point. I say that because I figure it has already set everything in motion, and it is just waiting for us to arrive in it's light on the other side.

That's what my younger sister thinks. Not sure why you feel that way, I'm pretty sure for her is all the painful things that happen. How can God be active in our lives when ________ happens?

Much love!
Mark
 
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That's what my younger sister thinks. Not sure why you feel that way, I'm pretty sure for her is all the painful things that happen. How can God be active in our lives when ________ happens?

Much love!
Mark
I don't think there is a God, that thing we call God has been so diluted over time it is fracturing our society. I think (In my opinion) that God is the light. A light that creates life and reality. Why doesn't the light interact with us now? Maybe because to become a light being you have to learn to accept the light, and it's a process that we freely choose (Without interference)
 

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I clicked 'like' but I don't like your situation.
You obviously know that you must push through the pain and work the knee, so it doesn't heal stiff and straight. Ouch ...:oops: Praying for you ✟
Yes, I'm sending happy thoughts too. There's so much that can go wrong with us, but I am glad science is around, because it has relieved so much pain in this world.
 

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That's what my younger sister thinks. Not sure why you feel that way, I'm pretty sure for her is all the painful things that happen. How can God be active in our lives when ________ happens?

Much love!
Mark

Yeah, I think that's the same with a lot of people I've met. I mean, God told A &E what would happen and it happened, death entered. I think they probably weren't aware that, now being dead themselves, they could only then bring forth of their own kind because that's how God made all things, to bring forth of their own kind. I think they discovered the full extent of it and the heartbreak of it later, after they had children, but that's just my thought on it.

It seems to me sort of like...if you were told you had a disease you could pass on to your children and you had children anyway, so then you blame the doctor, who warned you, for your child being born with the disease.

I did go through a stage where I thought it unfair of God to subject everyone else, even though He did warn them, but God also thought it unfair, so He made a way for men back to life! If one man could begin such heartache and chaos, He thought it fair that one man could undo it.

So...I got past my anger and stepped into gratitude.
 

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Yeah, I think that's the same with a lot of people I've met. I mean, God told A &E what would happen and it happened, death entered. I think they probably weren't aware that, now being dead themselves, they could only then bring forth of their own kind because that's how God made all things, to bring forth of their own kind. I think they discovered the full extent of it and the heartbreak of it later, after they had children, but that's just my thought on it.

It seems to me sort of like...if you were told you had a disease you could pass on to your children and you had children anyway, so then you blame the doctor, who warned you, for your child being born with the disease.

I did go through a stage where I thought it unfair of God to subject everyone else, even though He did warn them, but God also thought it unfair, so He made a way for men back to life! If one man could begin such heartache and chaos, He thought it fair that one man could undo it.

So...I got past my anger and stepped into gratitude.
You know stunned, death was always inherent (I hope that's the right word) to our system. A & E was always going to die physically, right? Because if Jesus was sin free and without blemish, how did he die?
 
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