Waiting on him
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He chose death so you can live, outside of this world, just as he does
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According to Himself, He chose to die. He said, no man takes My life, I give it up willingly. He did it so He could have us.
If sin was the primary factor of physical death as many Christians believe, then death was not an option for Jesus. If Jesus was sin free, he'd be incapable of dying. That is a constant, because there was no sin found in him to die in any way. Jesus should be alive today, his body immortal and incapable of destruction.
But if Jesus choose to die and have his body damaged to the point of death, then does that mean it was sin that killed him.
Maybe our sins killed him, who knows.
Waiting on him
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No it was God that killed him. His flesh body that is. And He was fully in agreement with God.
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So God killed himself? I think about this sacrifice that God made, shadowed in the old testament. How does killing a life form fix another life form?
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I fail in many areas that I do not understand at present, but what I do understand is the universe that Jesus presents is not the universe I live in.
I doubt he will be ready to hear from anyone until he comes to understand no one else hurts any of us (short of a physical assault), BUT, RATHER, IT IS WE, OURSELVES, WHO DO THE DAMAGE TO OURSELVES.
That is true in the end, but not now. You can really mess people up with your detrimental beliefs, and that will be on your head when everything is finished.
No, actually, my beliefs cannot effect you anymore than your beliefs can affect me.
Let's not all get into who's exceptionally faulted here, there's so much more to learn this side of life.
Today I met with some Jehovah witnesses, to pay one of their members back 10 dollars they lent to me. Even after I released the money to him, he had to push his religious world view on me. But I pushed through his illusion, and suggested that there was simply no way I could accept his brand of faith.
Should I have believed this theology, because he lent me money? Or should I realise that even though he is wrong about his faith, he doesn't lack the natural qualities we all share in kind.
Today I met with some Jehovah witnesses, to pay one of their members back 10 dollars they lent to me. Even after I released the money to him, he had to push his religious world view on me. But I pushed through his illusion, and suggested that there was simply no way I could accept his brand of faith.
Should I have believed this theology, because he lent me money? Or should I realise that even though he is wrong about his faith, he doesn't lack the natural qualities we all share in kind.
Oh yes they can, if I accept what you believe as truth. Which many people do in this world.
Revisited:
Do little children know truth when they are young? No they don't. But if you introduce concepts that you think are true, don't they take on what you believe. I once saw a YouTube video of a Muslim who did that with his own daughter, light forbid that, that poor girl was parroting Islamic garbage.
If I could reach out and slay that father, I would.
You'll get a few different thoughts on it but I think most people who walk by the Spirit believe that what you've said is true, somewhat, that it was sin that brought death, because God said, on the day you eat of it, you will die.
But there are some divergences of opinion from there.
At first glance or first reading, you're left saying, but...they didn't die on the day they ate it. In fact, they lived hundreds of years more. So you start wondering if it was some other kind of death. And you find reinforcement for this, (though you still kind of can't see what kind of death they died on that day) when you read that, technically, it wasn't sin that brought about their death but rather God said, look at what has happened --what if he now eats from the other tree and lives forever??
So God then blocks the way to that tree and they are not given the option to eat from that tree and live forever.
So technically, sin didn't cause them to not live forever, but being blocked from being allowed to eat of the tree that would cause them to live forever is what happened.
This is why I can't follow the reasoning of men who think we are born immortal and that we will all live forever. It doesn't mesh out. If Adam and Eve weren't created immortal, (and they weren't if they had to eat from the other tree to become immortal), then how were the children they bore somehow immortal if they didn't eat from the tree either?
Wow I read the OP. Know I am praying. I am skimming and haven't been in the convo, so I'm just going to follow. But I pray you can find some things out. One thing that did stick out to me is your question asked why "your God" hasn't. I can say my God has. And I think when you get to the point you can accept Christ heart, body, and soul, and trust His Word as the Truth, the changes you desire will happen. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit. For apart from me, you can do nothing." It is in the book of James in the Bible if anyone remembers the reference. I'm feeling a bit unwell tonight to look up anything.
But I think hearing others testimonies of how God has changed them and how God's Word has been living and active in your life would help.
I'm bad with the reference, but the Bible says that God's Word is active; a double edged sword able to pierce bone and marrow and to save a soul from he'll. 2 Timothy I believe....
But prayers to you.
But I think hearing others testimonies of how God has changed them and how God's Word has been living and active in your life would help.
I'm bad with the reference, but the Bible says that God's Word is active; a double edged sword able to pierce bone and marrow and to save a soul from he'll. 2 Timothy I believe....
But prayers to you.
Today you are my blood brother.
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Whoops, sister, I'm way to pumped to care for formalities.
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