Dispensationalism

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

prism

Blood-Soaked
Jan 24, 2011
1,895
834
113
So. Cal
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
When does the fullness of the gentiles come in (to Israel)? On the last day.

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world [gentiles] for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14)
As usual, you completely missed my point that 'Paul does not always refer to believers as Israel' and instead, you introduced a red herring.
 
D

Dave L

Guest
As usual, you completely missed my point that 'Paul does not always refer to believers as Israel' and instead, you introduced a red herring.
No, Jesus IS Israel along with those who believe in him. Paul spoke of the physical Jews who were removed from Israel with the death of the last genuinely circumcised Jew.
 

prism

Blood-Soaked
Jan 24, 2011
1,895
834
113
So. Cal
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
No, Jesus IS Israel along with those who believe in him. Paul spoke of the physical Jews who were removed from Israel with the death of the last genuinely circumcised Jew.
Got it. So you are saying blindness has happened to Jesus since in your formula Jesus always equals Israel...

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Rom 11:25)
 
D

Dave L

Guest
Got it. So you are saying blindness has happened to Jesus since in your formula Jesus always equals Israel...

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Rom 11:25)
Physical Israel existed until the last genuinely circumcised Jew died.
 

prism

Blood-Soaked
Jan 24, 2011
1,895
834
113
So. Cal
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Physical Israel existed until the last genuinely circumcised Jew died.
Newsflash: There still are 'genuinely circumcised Jews' existing. Where do you make this stuff up? LOL
 

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
The problem is Dispensationalists arbitrarily divide the word of truth.
Hello there, @Dave L

That has not been my experience. The desire is to seek those divisions that exist within Scripture, which are of God's hand, not to impose divisions borne of human understanding.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
 

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Hello again, @Dave L,

My experience of dispensational truth is through literature, and audio: the works of Dr E.W. Bullinger and Charles H. Welch, for example, being the source of much praise to God. However, as I have said previously, it is a means to an end, only. The knowledge of God, in Christ Jesus, being it's object, and the knowledge of His will, and of the glorious hope set before us, in Him.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dave L and Enoch111
D

Dave L

Guest
Hello there, @Dave L

That has not been my experience. The desire is to seek those divisions that exist within Scripture, which are of God's hand, not to impose divisions borne of human understanding.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
It's mainly the Darby/Scofield Dispensationalists who I believe make false separations. Based on God placing fallen men under tests they all ready flunked in Adam, and have no chance of passing apart from grace.
 
D

Dave L

Guest
OK, so you are saying then no natural Jews after the cross?
Technically, the cross generation were the last of the physical unbelieving Jews. God removed them from Israel, as Paul says they became "broken off". And any who embrace Christ will be reattached by faith along with the other believing gentiles.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,647
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The problem is Dispensationalists arbitrarily divide the word of truth.

Simply Everyone needs to do it correctly.

Claiming that one group is arbitrary . . . that can be arbitrarily done.

Much love!
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,647
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Technically, the cross generation were the last of the physical unbelieving Jews. God removed them from Israel, as Paul says they became "broken off". And any who embrace Christ will be reattached by faith along with the other believing gentiles.

So no more national Israel? Is that correct? The physical descendents of Jacob are no longer significant to God's plan, except as they become Christians like anyone else?

Much love!
 
D

Dave L

Guest
So no more national Israel? Is that correct? The physical descendents of Jacob are no longer significant to God's plan, except as they become Christians like anyone else?

Much love!
According to scripture Jesus Is Israel along with believers. The broken of unbelievers are no longer biblical Jews, but gentiles of Jewish ethnicity. Any who accept Christ will be reattached to Israel through faith.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
33,501
21,647
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
According to scripture Jesus Is Israel along with believers. The broken of unbelievers are no longer biblical Jews, but gentiles of Jewish ethnicity. Any who accept Christ will be reattached to Israel through faith.

OK, just wanted to be sure I understood your thinking. Thank you!

Much love!
Mark
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dave L