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When we start by saying all of us would probably like to tweak this chart a little bit but it is a good visual foundation.covenants.jpg
 

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The Edenic Covenant
The Edenic Covenant is a conditional one, found in Gen. 1:26-31;2:16-17, that traces the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Their disobedience determined the fate of all of humanity. In the Edenic Covenant, God promises Adam that blessings and curses depend on the faithfulness of mankind. Because of their sin, the covenant provides that man ultimately falls to a spiritual and then physical death.

The Adamic Covenant
The Adamic Covenant is found in Gen. 3:16-19 and is an unconditional covenant. Although only God and Adam are participants in this covenant, Adam is considered to be a representative of all of mankind, meaning the provision still applies today. In the Adamic covenant, God tells Adam what kind of hardships he can expect in life because of his sin. Many Christians interpret this covenant to include the promise of a redeemer who will come to rescue men from the consequence of sin.

The Noahic Covenant
Found in Gen 9:1-18, the Noahic Covenant is an unconditional one that God made with Noah and his sons after the flood waters receded and everyone left the Ark. The Bible says that God caused a rainbow to appear in the sky on that day and used it to promise Noah, as well as all of mankind, that he would never again destroy the earth and all its inhabitants in a worldwide flood.

The Abrahamic Covenant
The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant in which God makes a promise to Abraham that he would be the father to many different nations of people and that he would prosper and be blessed. Through Abraham came the race of the Jews, and the sign of the covenant is circumcision. The details of the Abrahamic Covenant can be found in Genesis 12:1-4;13:14-17; 15:1-7; 17:1-8.

The Mosaic Covenant
The Mosaic Covenant was a conditional one that God made between himself and Moses. Found in Exodus 20:1 - 31:18, this covenant contains the commandments that God gave to the Israelites for uncovering God's will and for governing the people. In Christian theology, the terms of the Mosaic Covenant, which are commandments, ordinances and judgments, expired on the cross when Jesus died for the sins of men, which started the "New Covenant."

The Land Covenant
The details of the Land Covenant are given in Deuteronomy 30:1-10. Some people have referred to this covenant as the "Palestine Covenant," however the Bible does not refer to this covenant in that manner. Here, God makes an unconditional promise to the Israelites that he will give them a land of their own. This covenant also includes a provision that when the land is given to that nation, the people will all be united once again in serving God and their enemies will be destroyed.

The Davidic Covenant
The Davidic Covenant is God's unconditional promise to David that he would have an eternal dynasty. Found in 2 Samuel 7:4-16 and 1 Chronicles 17:3-15, the provisions of the Davidic Covenant center around three major components: an everlasting throne, an everlasting King (Jeremiah 32:21) and an everlasting kingdom (Daniel 7:14). Christianity traces David's lineage to Jesus Christ, who was a descendant of David many generations removed, and see Christ as the rightful heir.

The New Blood Covenant
1 Corinthians 11:23-26
New International Version (NIV)

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Until he comes does not mean until the end of time. It means the Rapture.



New Covenant with the People of Israel and with the People of Judah



Hebrews 8:6-13 New International Version (NIV)
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and saida]">[a]:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”b]">[b]

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

This takes us to the destruction of the heavens and earth, followed by eternity in the New Jerusalem.
 

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The last one was first promised to Israel by Jeremiah. This is not only for Israel but we, the church, inherit its promises also. In your selection of verses, verses 8-10 have already been fulfilled in the church. The last two will be fulfilled by Israel in the millennium.
 

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The last one was first promised to Israel by Jeremiah. This is not only for Israel but we, the church, inherit its promises also. In your selection of verses, verses 8-10 have already been fulfilled in the church. The last two will be fulfilled by Israel in the millennium.
Explain this:
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Also Gentiles are not Israel or Judah, to which the last covenant is written only.

Two covenants, not just one.

 

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When we start by saying all of us would probably like to tweak this chart a little bit but it is a good visual foundation.
There are only FIVE genuine covenants:

1. God made a covenant with Noah which included the rainbow

2. God made a covenant with Abraham which is everlasting, and which included Christ, the Church, and Israel

3. God made the Old Covenant with Israel (which included the land, and of which Moses was the mediator) which was temporary

4. God also made the New Covenant with Israel (which included the Gentiles, and of which Christ is the Mediator) which is eternal

5. God made a covenant with David regarding his eternal throne.
 

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There are only FIVE genuine covenants:

1. God made a covenant with Noah which included the rainbow

2. God made a covenant with Abraham which is everlasting, and which included Christ, the Church, and Israel

3. God made the Old Covenant with Israel (which included the land, and of which Moses was the mediator) which was temporary

4. God also made the New Covenant with Israel (which included the Gentiles, and of which Christ is the Mediator) which is eternal

5. God made a covenant with David regarding his eternal throne.
You trying to dodge the realities plus you never answered my questions and posts.

Explain this:
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Also Gentiles are not Israel or Judah, to which the last covenant is written only.

Two covenants, not just one.


Since this is Christ speaking, you cannot claim the first coming.

It says this covenant is until he comes. Meaning that is when it is fulfilled. That being the time of the Gentile church at the rapture.

And you have never told me which house you belong to, Israel or Judah.

When Christ went to heaven, he sat on the throne of God, not David.

Christ will sit on the throne of David in the MK.

The land covenant was not temporary and it has not been fulfilled.

The Abrahamic covenant also included land.

The new blood covenant is not the covenant to the houses of Judah and Israel. It is to Jew and Gentile while the one to the houses is only to Judah and Israel.

So which house are you and what coming was Christ talking about for the new blood covenant?



 

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The last one was first promised to Israel by Jeremiah. This is not only for Israel but we, the church, inherit its promises also. In your selection of verses, verses 8-10 have already been fulfilled in the church. The last two will be fulfilled by Israel in the millennium.

Nowhere this Jeremiah talk about Gentiles in that covenant.

So what coming of Christ is meant to end that covenant? In which house do you belong?
 

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You trying to dodge the realities plus you never answered my questions and posts.
There is no reason for me to dodge realities. The Bible is quite clear.
Explain this:
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
This instruction was given to the Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body) and the Lord's Supper is to be a Remembrance Feast as well as a proclamation of His death (hence a proclamation of the Gospel) until He comes at the Resurrection/Rapture and the Church is taken up to Heaven
Also Gentiles are not Israel or Judah, to which the last covenant is written only...And you have never told me which house you belong to, Israel or Judah.
Of course Gentiles are neither Israel nor Judah. But when Christ tore down "the middle wall of partition" between Jew and Gentile at the cross, He prepared the way for Gentiles to be partakers of the promises of the New Covenant in His blood (including th gift of the Holy Spirit). So Gentiles have been made fellow heirs with believing Jews by being grafted into "the good olive tree" of believing Israel.
 

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There is no reason for me to dodge realities. The Bible is quite clear.

This instruction was given to the Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body) and the Lord's Supper is to be a Remembrance Feast as well as a proclamation of His death (hence a proclamation of the Gospel) until He comes at the Resurrection/Rapture and the Church is taken up to Heaven

Of course Gentiles are neither Israel nor Judah. But when Christ tore down "the middle wall of partition" between Jew and Gentile at the cross, He prepared the way for Gentiles to be partakers of the promises of the New Covenant in His blood (including th gift of the Holy Spirit). So Gentiles have been made fellow heirs with believing Jews by being grafted into "the good olive tree" of believing Israel.
You said the covenant continues in the MK. So the Lord's table would not cease.

Your own words designate two separate covenants.

Nor have you explained how that covenant can be in place but there will be a return to the Stone Temple and animal sacrifices. After all in the blood covenant we are the temple of God, not a building. And there is no need for animal sacrifices.

You're dodging and explaining nothing.
 

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Lord: Remember Your Covenant!

Jeremiah 14:7-22 Lord, we acknowledge our wicked ways and the guilt of our forefathers. We have sinned against You, but remember the Covenant You made with Your people [all righteous believers] and do not make it void.

Neither the false gods of the nations or the sky of itself can give rain and heal us. In You: God of Israel, we put our hope and trust, You alone made all things.

Though our sins testify against us, yet we ask that You take action in our time of trouble and distress, for Your own Name’s sake. Hope of Israel – our saviour, must You be like a stranger to us, like a traveller passing through on his journey? You are in our midst, Lord and we bear Your Name. [Christians] Do not forsake us!

The prophets say disaster will not befall us, for You will give lasting prosperity to us. These are lies that those false prophets are saying, the Lord has not sent them or commissioned them. Those who give false visions, write misleading fiction and promote wrong theories, will meet their end.

The Lord says of Judah: They love to stray from My ways, therefore I have no more pleasure in them. I will remember their guilt and punish them for their sins. Do not pray for the wellbeing of this people, though they fast and sacrifice, I shall not accept them. I will make an end of them with My sword of judgement. I will pour down upon them the disaster they deserve and there will be no one to bury them. Reference: REB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.


‘Remember Your Covenant’: Judges 2:1, 1 Chronicles 16:15, Psalms 105:7-11, Jeremiah 31:34, Hebrews 9:15

‘In You Lord, we put our trust’: Psalms 9:10, Psalm 91:2, Nahum 1:7, John 14:1

‘Do not forsake us’: Deuteronomy 31:6, Hebrews 13:5

Lies that those false prophets are saying’: Matthew 24:11, Matthew 7:15, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Isaiah 47:13-14, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Jeremiah 23:1-2

The Lord says of Judah’ – the Jewish people, the current inhabitants of Israel. Isaiah 6:1-13, Romans 9:27

I will pour down upon them the disaster they deserve…’: Ezekiel 21:3, Isaiah 4:4, Isaiah 33:14, Psalms 21:9, Jeremiah 4:11-28, Romans 1:18, Isaiah 22:14
 

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Nor have you explained how that covenant can be in place but there will be a return to the Stone Temple and animal sacrifices.

That will never happen, Corel. The only place this could be implied would be in an inaccurate interpretation of what the latter chapters of Ezekiel are saying. These are the plans for the second temple and all what we consider the millennial promises could have been fulfilled then IF Israel had stayed on the straight and narrow. They failed, thus they did not deserve the temple and land Ezekiel describes. (Read Ezra and Nehemiah)Of course, God knew they would so the plans for this temple and the land promises ,in Ezekiel, have been delayed until the third millennial temple is built. As far as the sacrifices shown, they were added if Israel had stayed w/ God and Christ's sacrifice wouldn't have been needed at the time it was. God will use these things to show Israel what they missed out on by following other Gods and rejecting Jesus.

When the church is raptured in the early part of the 70th week, I don't think we'll be having 'communion" as we know it. It just points to the reality of what we will experience in heaven. The church has been grafted into the tree thus inheriting all things planned for Israel as well. The only covenant left for Israel is the land covenant and the latter part of the "New" covenant. No Israeli at any time now or in the future will inherit anything unless they first accept Christ as their personal Lord and Savior in fulfillment of the Zechariah prophecy!
 

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What is the Abrahamic Covenant?
There are three main features to the Abrahamic Covenant:

1. The promise of land (Genesis 12:1). God called Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees to a land that He would give him (Genesis 12:1). This promise is reiterated in Genesis 13:14–18 where it is confirmed by a shoe covenant; its dimensions are given in Genesis 15:18–21 (precluding any notion of this being fulfilled in heaven). The land aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1–10, which is the Palestinian Covenant.

2. The promise of descendants (Genesis 12:2). God promised Abraham that He would make a great nation out of him. Abraham, who was 75 years old and childless (Genesis 12:4), was promised many descendants. This promise is amplified in Genesis 17:6 where God promised that nations and kings would descend from the aged patriarch. This promise (which is expanded in the Davidic Covenant of 2 Samuel 7:12–16) would eventuate in the Davidic throne with Messiah’s kingdom rule over the Hebrew people.

3. The promise of blessing and redemption (Genesis 12:3). God promised to bless Abraham and the families of the earth through him. This promise is amplified in the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31–34; cf. Hebrews 8:6–13) and has to do with “Israel’s spiritual blessing and redemption.” Jeremiah 31:34 anticipates the forgiveness of sin. The unconditional and eternal nature of the covenant is seen in that the covenant is reaffirmed to Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4). The “I will” promises again suggest the unconditional aspect of the covenant. The covenant is later confirmed to Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). It is noteworthy that God reaffirmed these promises amid the sins of the patriarchs, which fact further emphasizes the unconditional nature of the Abrahamic Covenant.
 

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When we start by saying all of us would probably like to tweak this chart a little bit but it is a good visual foundation.

For comparison, this is how we see it: Two Ages, with a tension between the two now that Christ has come. We also have a pretty, pretty chart, and also numerous verses that speak of the differences between these two ages; one being now and things temporal, the other being eternity - things perfect and forever.

Two Age Model


Biblical Texts Which Speak of “This Age”

Matthew 12:32 - There is no forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Matthew 24:3 - The end of the age will be preceded by signs

Matthew 28:20 - Christ will be with us until the end of the age

Luke 18:30 - There are material rewards given to us in this life

Luke 20:34 - The people of this age marry and are given in marriage

Mark 10:30 - The present age is an age of homes, fields, and families

Romans 12:2 - We are not to be conformed to the pattern of this world (age)

I Corinthians 1:20 - Philosophy is the wisdom of this age

I Corinthians 2:6-8 - Wisdom and rulers are of this age

II Corinthians 4:4 - Satan is the god of this age who has blinded the minds of men and women

Galatians 1:4 - The present age is evil

Ephesians 1:21 - Christ reigns in present age

Ephesians 2:2 - The ways of this world (age) are evil

I Timothy 6:17 - Those who are rich in this age, are not to hope in their wealth for the next

Titus 2:12 - We are to live Godly lives in the present age

In every instance the qualities associated with “this age” are temporal in nature. These texts describe the

present course of history before the return of Christ and are things which pass away at his return.

Biblical Texts Which Speak of the “Age to Come”

Matthew 12:32 - No forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Matthew 13:40 - The weeds will be thrown into the fire

Mark 10:30 - Eternal life as a reward

Luke 18:30 - Eternal life as a reward

Luke 20:35 - No marriage or giving in marriage

I Corinthians 6:9-10 - Evil doers will not inherit the kingdom of God

I Corinthians 15:50 - Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God

Galatians 5:21 - Those who live evil lives will not inherit the kingdom

Ephesians 1:21 - Christ will reign in age to come

Ephesians 5:5 - Immoral people will not inherit kingdom of God

I Thessalonians 2:12 - We are encouraged to live lives worthy of the kingdom

II Thessalonians 1:5 - Faith will count you worthy of the kingdom of God

I Timothy 6:19 - The coming age has life that is truly life

II Timothy 4:18 - The Lord will bring us to kingdom of God

In marked contrast to “this age” the qualities assigned to the age to come are all eternal (or non-temporal)

in nature. These references are clearly describing the future eschatological state of believers (and nonbelievers if you factor in the references to judgment).

The Line of “Demarcation” Between the Two Ages

Matthew 13:39 - The harvest is the end of the age, and the angels are the harvesters

Matthew 13:40 - The weeds will be burned in the fire at the end of the age (judgment)

Matthew 13:49 - The angels will separate the wicked from the righteous
 

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For comparison, this is how we see it: Two Ages, with a tension between the two now that Christ has come. We also have a pretty, pretty chart, and also numerous verses that speak of the differences between these two ages; one being now and things temporal, the other being eternity - things perfect and forever.

Two Age Model


Biblical Texts Which Speak of “This Age”

Matthew 12:32 - There is no forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Matthew 24:3 - The end of the age will be preceded by signs

Matthew 28:20 - Christ will be with us until the end of the age

Luke 18:30 - There are material rewards given to us in this life

Luke 20:34 - The people of this age marry and are given in marriage

Mark 10:30 - The present age is an age of homes, fields, and families

Romans 12:2 - We are not to be conformed to the pattern of this world (age)

I Corinthians 1:20 - Philosophy is the wisdom of this age

I Corinthians 2:6-8 - Wisdom and rulers are of this age

II Corinthians 4:4 - Satan is the god of this age who has blinded the minds of men and women

Galatians 1:4 - The present age is evil

Ephesians 1:21 - Christ reigns in present age

Ephesians 2:2 - The ways of this world (age) are evil

I Timothy 6:17 - Those who are rich in this age, are not to hope in their wealth for the next

Titus 2:12 - We are to live Godly lives in the present age

In every instance the qualities associated with “this age” are temporal in nature. These texts describe the

present course of history before the return of Christ and are things which pass away at his return.

Biblical Texts Which Speak of the “Age to Come”

Matthew 12:32 - No forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Matthew 13:40 - The weeds will be thrown into the fire

Mark 10:30 - Eternal life as a reward

Luke 18:30 - Eternal life as a reward

Luke 20:35 - No marriage or giving in marriage

I Corinthians 6:9-10 - Evil doers will not inherit the kingdom of God

I Corinthians 15:50 - Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God

Galatians 5:21 - Those who live evil lives will not inherit the kingdom

Ephesians 1:21 - Christ will reign in age to come

Ephesians 5:5 - Immoral people will not inherit kingdom of God

I Thessalonians 2:12 - We are encouraged to live lives worthy of the kingdom

II Thessalonians 1:5 - Faith will count you worthy of the kingdom of God

I Timothy 6:19 - The coming age has life that is truly life

II Timothy 4:18 - The Lord will bring us to kingdom of God

In marked contrast to “this age” the qualities assigned to the age to come are all eternal (or non-temporal)

in nature. These references are clearly describing the future eschatological state of believers (and nonbelievers if you factor in the references to judgment).

The Line of “Demarcation” Between the Two Ages

Matthew 13:39 - The harvest is the end of the age, and the angels are the harvesters

Matthew 13:40 - The weeds will be burned in the fire at the end of the age (judgment)

Matthew 13:49 - The angels will separate the wicked from the righteous
What do you make of Romans 9, 10 and 11? some of which seems to relate to post-church events, with Israel in view.
 

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What do you make of Romans 9, 10 and 11? some of which seems to relate to post-church events, with Israel in view.
Well, the two are not mutually exclusive, are they? Isn't God even now working with the Gentile nation (mostly) while the Israel one is here? They do not need to be gone for that to happen. Why must we be gone for God to then start bringing large numbers of ethnic Jews to Christ?
 

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Why are so many determine to say the blood covenant given by Christ is the same as the new covenant to the houses of Judah and Israel?