Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

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Jay Ross

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Scripture mentions only two worlds (ages). This present evil age where Jesus says his kingdom is not a part of. And the world (age)to come. The "millennium" fits into neither world. It has sickness and death which cannot happen in the new heavens and earth.

You are right, in saying that there are two ages, an evil Age made up of seven ages and the Age to Come which will be everlasting, World without End. But, today, we are rapidly drawing towards the end of the second last Age of the Ages of the Age and the Millennium Age, as labelled by Man is the last age of the Ages of the Age.

However, in Daniel 2 God distinctly tells us that He will establish His everlasting Kingdom here on the earth during the time of the kings of the fifth segment of the Statue which means that you are also wrong in what you are posting.

It sounds confusing, but that is the manner in which it is described in the scriptures.
 

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When Antiochus IV around 170 B.C. went into the 2nd temple in Jerusalem, sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth around inside the temple, that was one type of spiritual desolation of the temple. Then when he also setup an idol inside the temple to pagan Zeus worship, that was another type of abomination that caused the 2nd temple to be spiritually desolated. Notice that the 2nd temple building itself was required to be standing for that to happen. After the Jews took back possession of that temple, they did the required ritual cleansing and re-dedication of it.

After the Jews in Jerusalem rejected Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah, the Romans in 70 A.D. destroyed Jerusalem, as Jesus prophesied. But they had tried to take possession of the temple, but it caught fire inside (as per the Jewish historian Josephus). So they did not... place an idol abomination inside the temple like Antiochus did, nor did they sacrifice swine upon the altar inside the temple like Antiochus did. So trying to create the abominations of Antiochus IV (165 B.C.) for the Romans in 70 A.D. reveals the leaven doctrines of men at work.

"The Antonia was demolished. The stones were used to build a new dam, this time towards the Temple terrace. The Romans used the dam to set fire to the porticoes on the northern and western side of the terrace, but it was impossible to bash trough the walls. On the tenth of August, the Temple itself was burning. Six thousand women and children were taken prisoner at the Court of the Gentiles, while the legionaries sacrificed to their standards in the Holy of Holies."

Titus' Siege of Jerusalem - Livius
 

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"The Antonia was demolished. The stones were used to build a new dam, this time towards the Temple terrace. The Romans used the dam to set fire to the porticoes on the northern and western side of the terrace, but it was impossible to bash trough the walls. On the tenth of August, the Temple itself was burning. Six thousand women and children were taken prisoner at the Court of the Gentiles, while the legionaries sacrificed to their standards in the Holy of Holies."

The Romans never even made it... into the Holy of Holies. The temple burned down before they could seize control of it, and that's per Jewish historians, not Roman historians.

The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD
 

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The Romans never even made it... into the Holy of Holies. The temple burned down before they could seize control of it, and that's per Jewish historians, not Roman historians.

The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD
And while we play 'who's histories are more accurate', you manage to miss my point that by this time, the Romans setting up anything in the temple wasn't any more or less of an 'abomination' than continued Jewish sacrifices to a God who had just sent his Son for them...
 
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You are right, in saying that there are two ages, an evil Age made up of seven ages and the Age to Come which will be everlasting, World without End. But, today, we are rapidly drawing towards the end of the second last Age of the Ages of the Age and the Millennium Age, as labelled by Man is the last age of the Ages of the Age.

However, in Daniel 2 God distinctly tells us that He will establish His everlasting Kingdom here on the earth during the time of the kings of the fifth segment of the Statue which means that you are also wrong in what you are posting.

It sounds confusing, but that is the manner in which it is described in the scriptures.
In Daniel, Jesus establishes his kingdom in the time of the Roman Empire which already happened. But again, only the born again can see it.
 
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Sorry, but you are wrong. God's Word declares 3... world ages.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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2 Peter 3:12-13
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

KJV

1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"
You still have a "millennial" problem. Jesus speaks of only two ages in reference to the kingdom.
 

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There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

*Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.

A question I’ve had for a while now...maybe you can help.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Why do we not say we wait for Him(God)who is expected which did put all things under him? The word says He is expected?

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

“...when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power” Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Who are we expecting? he who must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. OR He who did put all things under Him that God may be all in all.

is there a difference?
 
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A question I’ve had for a while now...maybe you can help.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Why do we not say we wait for Him(God)who is expected which did put all things under him? The word says He is expected?

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

“...when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power” Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Who are we expecting? he who must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. OR He who did put all things under Him that God may be all in all.

is there a difference?
It means everything but God is made subject to him. Jesus is God but Paul is speaking of Jesus the man now having God's authority which is forever.
 

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It means everything but God is made subject to him. Jesus is God but Paul is speaking of Jesus the man now having God's authority which is forever.

I’m sorry. That doesn’t clear it up for me. ...I’m not understanding. Seeing it as peace reigns until all enemies are put under him. Romans 16:20
[20] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Seeing it as the Spirit works now in bringing all high and lifted up down making all captive to the obedience of Christ...in subjection to the obedience of One. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Get that it is God who does this and also God did what was needed in shutting every mouth. See that it is God who subjected the creation to hope of breaking the bondage of corruption and vanity through the obedience of the Son. So no flesh can boast but subject (submit) to the work of God not man. What I don’t understand is God is expected. To wait for the return of the Son...is this not saying He has not already come in the flesh, or to deny He has already come in the flesh and subdued all to the obedience of One that God may be all in all? We wait for God, yeah? He who put all under His feet.
 
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I’m sorry. That doesn’t clear it up for me. ...I’m not understanding. Seeing it as peace reigns until all enemies are put under him. Romans 16:20
[20] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Seeing it as the Spirit works now in bringing all high and lifted up down making all captive to the obedience of Christ...in subjection to the obedience of One. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Get that it is God who does this and also God did what was needed in shutting every mouth. See that it is God who subjected the creation to hope of breaking the bondage of corruption and vanity through the obedience of the Son. So no flesh can boast but subject (submit) to the work of God not man. What I don’t understand is God is expected. To wait for the return of the Son...is this not saying He has not already come in the flesh, or to deny He has already come in the flesh and subdued all to the obedience of One that God may be all in all? We wait for God, yeah? He who put all under His feet.
Jesus presently reigns on David's throne from heavenly Jerusalem above. So do we being his body seated in the heavenlies. When he returns on the last day, he restores Israel (believers only) in the resurrection/rapture into the new heavens and earth where he continues reigning forever. Scripture available if interested.
 

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So do we being his body seated in the heavenlies.

When he returns on the last day, he restores Israel (believers only) in the resurrection/rapture into the new heavens and earth

Has He not already returned?
John 14:16-21 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

“...and I will manifest myself to him.”

Pulled or snatched from the Fire ; not appointed to the wrath of God. Removed from wrath into Christ. Isn’t this the rapture and how can it not have taken place already when the children have or are being translated (transferred) into the kingdom as we speak?

Scripture available if interested.

Sure. I would read anything that would clarify.
 
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Sorry, but you are wrong. God's Word declares 3... world ages.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
KJV

2 Peter 3:12-13
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

KJV

1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"
You did a very good job in separating the three by scripture.
We all understand the worlds of numbers 1 and 2.
But are you sure you know what #3 is all about?
If you are going to try and describe it through OT prophecies, you are going to end up with the "if/then" world of a Jewish kingdom that is still of this world, which is in direct opposition to Jesus' words: "my kingdom is NOT OF THIS world".
1Cor. 2[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
> "The natural man" of flesh is not allowed to know what the "new heavens and new earth" will be like!
So, if you are trying to describe the NH and NE by the old covenant of the "if/then Prophecies", that were for Israel, your approach is all wrong because those promises were all made to be obsolete when the KoG was taken from them in 70AD.

[10] God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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So then, what has God revealed to us "by His Spirit" concerning the NH and NE?
1. Jesus Himself is the new "Heaven" and new "Earth". (His physical flesh and ours, was/is of the old earth.) 1 Cor. 15:47-49
2. All born again Saints are collectively the city of Heavenly Jerusalem- the new earth.
3. Jesus revealed that our bodies are for God to dwell in, being the temple of God. John 2:19-21
4. Are we not now "seated in heavenly places in Jesus"? Eph. 2:6
5. We are the "mansions" (dwelling places) wherein our Heavenly Father dwells. As His new creatures, we are now being prepared (made ready) to be placed in His House, upon the day of our resurrection. John 14:2
 
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Has He not already returned?
John 14:16-21 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

“...and I will manifest myself to him.”

Pulled or snatched from the Fire ; not appointed to the wrath of God. Removed from wrath into Christ. Isn’t this the rapture and how can it not have taken place already when the children have or are being translated (transferred) into the kingdom as we speak?



Sure. I would read anything that would clarify.
Jesus returns on the last day. But the kingdom has been here since the first coming and transitions into the new heavens and earth on the last day. There will not be a physical earthly kingdom.
 
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You did a very good job in separating the three by scripture.
We all understand the worlds of numbers 1 and 2.
But are you sure you know what #3 is all about?
If you are going to try and describe it through OT prophecies, you are going to end up with the "if/then" world of a Jewish kingdom that is still of this world, which is in direct opposition to Jesus' words: "my kingdom is NOT OF THIS world".
1Cor. 2[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
> "The natural man" of flesh is not allowed to know what the "new heavens and new earth" will be like!
So, if you are trying to describe the NH and NE by the old covenant of the "if/then Prophecies", that were for Israel, your approach is all wrong because those promises were all made to be obsolete when the KoG was taken from them in 70AD.

[10] God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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So then, what has God revealed to us "by His Spirit" concerning the NH and NE?
1. Jesus Himself is the new "Heaven" and new "Earth". (His physical flesh and ours, was/is of the old earth.) 1 Cor. 15:47-49
2. All born again Saints are collectively the city of Heavenly Jerusalem- the new earth.
3. Jesus revealed that our bodies are for God to dwell in, being the temple of God. John 2:19-21
4. Are we not now "seated in heavenly places in Jesus"? Eph. 2:6
5. We are the "mansions" (dwelling places) wherein our Heavenly Father dwells. As His new creatures, we are now being prepared (made ready) to be placed in His House, upon the day of our resurrection. John 14:2

Ephesians 2:19-22
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
 

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Jesus returns on the last day. But the kingdom has been here since the first coming and transitions into the new heavens and earth on the last day. There will not be a physical earthly kingdom.

Get what you saying in the world sees Him no more. But there is a world to come. Isaiah 45:17-18
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. [18] For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.

Ephesians 3:21
[21] Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

But His word says the creature itself is to be delivered from the bondage. That means the one in bondage...it waits to be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God which is the hope: world without end. Romans 8:20-21 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
 
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Get what you saying in the world sees Him no more. But there is a world to come. Isaiah 45:17-18
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. [18] For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.

Ephesians 3:21
[21] Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

But His word says the creature itself is to be delivered from the bondage. That means the one in bondage...it waits to be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God which is the hope: world without end. Romans 8:20-21 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
All is fulfilled at the restoration of Israel on the last day in the new heavens and earth.
 

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All is fulfilled at the restoration of Israel on the last day in the new heavens and earth.

Ok thanks. Will leave it there. Any verses to help give understanding to 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 will be appreciated: “For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
 
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Ok thanks. Will leave it there. Any verses to help give understanding to 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 will be appreciated: “For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
All things except God are under Jesus (the man's) control.
 

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Ephesians 2:19-22
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Amen!
 

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All things except God are under Jesus (the man's) control.
Do you mean all has been moved from man’s control(flesh) to the work and fruit of the Spirit. All subdued to Christ who is the resurrection and New life.2 Corinthians 5:16-19 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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