Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

bbyrd009 · Apr 28, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Ephesians 2:19-22
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Nice imo ViJ. Run, run like the wind from anyone talking about Christ and tomorrow in the same breath imo

CoreIssue · Apr 28, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Do you mean all has been moved from man’s control(flesh) to the work and fruit of the Spirit. All subdued to Christ who is the resurrection and New life.2 Corinthians 5:16-19 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

It means all things were under the administration of Christ.

Whether good or evil he would use them for his purposes.

But they have not been moved to that position. They have always been there.

What changed was when the second person of the Trinity, the Logos, incarnated in the flesh of Jesus Christ.

Now, the Trinity is the God of all creation and Christ will be the king of the earth and is already Lord of our salvation.

Dave L · Apr 28, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Do you mean all has been moved from man’s control(flesh) to the work and fruit of the Spirit. All subdued to Christ who is the resurrection and New life.2 Corinthians 5:16-19 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jesus the God man is controlled by God, not the other way around. So everything except God is under his control in his glorified state.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Naomi25 said:
And while we play 'who's histories are more accurate', you manage to miss my point that by this time, the Romans setting up anything in the temple wasn't any more or less of an 'abomination' than continued Jewish sacrifices to a God who had just sent his Son for them...

The Jewish historian Josephus was actually there when it happened, and he is the 'only'... primary source that recorded that historical event.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Dave L said:
You still have a "millennial" problem. Jesus speaks of only two ages in reference to the kingdom.

I don't see any problem, we are still in the "heavens and the earth, which are now", which is the 2nd one.

The 'new heavens and a new earth' the wicked will never see.

But before that final world, Jesus must reign over all His enemies with the "rod of iron" prophesied in both the Psalms and in His Revelation. And that is what the "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is about, and why it is a future literal time.

But instead what folks like you have believed, is a doctrine from men and not from God's Word. Amillennialism treats the 1,000 years of Rev.20 as symbolic, but it cannot even stay with a simple 1,000 years idea, because with their view Christ's reign began at His resurrection, and that was over 2,000 years ago! How can someone turn 1,000 years into 2,000+ years?!!! It's ludicrous! And that's only one reason why it's a doctrine from men, and NOT from God's Word.

WARNING TO BRETHREN:
Beware of the doctrines of Amillennialism, which believes we now, are already in Christ's Kingdom in this world today! Jesus was emphatic that His Kingdom is NOT of this present world! (John 18:36). His Kingdom literally will begin at His future return. Within some of those Amillennialist groups, they also go farther in the false doctrine and preach the lie that Jesus' 2nd coming will not be a literal return, but instead is a spiritual return only! So what's up with all that?

What is up is the ordained kingdom of the coming Antichrist, the ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns of Revelation 13. We today know it called by other names, like "a one world government", or the New World Order, etc. One of the main deceived groups of Christian brethren today are those who are working FOR that one world government plan. The doctrine of men that teaches Jesus' Kingdom is in the here and the now, is a pet doctrine of their's. Who wouldn't want world peace, and a chicken in every pot for everybody? It's a noble idea, and the reason is because that is what our Lord Jesus is going to do for us in HIS future Kingdom to come. But the children of darkness want their 'king' to rule this world instead, and they intend to set him up as king of the world in Jerusalem in our time. Don't go with those, don't heed their devil's doctrines, for they will lead you away from our Lord Jesus Christ Who will return AFTER... their false-Messiah comes to Jerusalem first.

Dave L · Apr 28, 2019

Davy said:
I don't see any problem, we are still in the "heavens and the earth, which are now", which is the 2nd one.

The 'new heavens and a new earth' the wicked will never see.

But before that final world, Jesus must reign over all His enemies with the "rod of iron" prophesied in both the Psalms and in His Revelation. And that is what the "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is about, and why it is a future literal time.

But instead what folks like you have believed, is a doctrine from men and not from God's Word. Amillennialism treats the 1,000 years of Rev.20 as symbolic, but it cannot even stay with a simple 1,000 years idea, because with their view Christ's reign began at His resurrection, and that was over 2,000 years ago! How can someone turn 1,000 years into 2,000+ years?!!! It's ludicrous! And that's only one reason why it's a doctrine from men, and NOT from God's Word.

WARNING TO BRETHREN:
Beware of the doctrines of Amillennialism, which believes we now, are already in Christ's Kingdom in this world today! Jesus was emphatic that His Kingdom is NOT of this present world! (John 18:36). His Kingdom literally will begin at His future return. Within some of those Amillennialist groups, they also go farther in the false doctrine and preach the lie that Jesus' 2nd coming will not be a literal return, but instead is a spiritual return only! So what's up with all that?

What is up is the ordained kingdom of the coming Antichrist, the ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns of Revelation 13. We today know it called by other names, like "a one world government", or the New World Order, etc. One of the main deceived groups of Christian brethren today are those who are working FOR that one world government plan. The doctrine of men that teaches Jesus' Kingdom is in the here and the now, is a pet doctrine of their's. Who wouldn't want world peace, and a chicken in every pot for everybody? It's a noble idea, and the reason is because that is what our Lord Jesus is going to do for us in HIS future Kingdom to come. But the children of darkness want their 'king' to rule this world instead, and they intend to set him up as king of the world in Jerusalem in our time. Don't go with those, don't heed their devil's doctrines, for they will lead you away from our Lord Jesus Christ Who will return AFTER... their false-Messiah comes to Jerusalem first.

Yikes! Jesus is Amillennial. Prove him not to be by his own words if you dare.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Dave L said:
Yikes! Jesus is Amillennial. Prove him not to be by his own words if you dare.

Amillennialism is just a doctrine from men. The 1st century Church fathers held to a return of Jesus prior to the millennium of Rev.20, because that is how the timeline is actually written in God's Word. Jesus returns first, the "thousand years" reign then starts.

Dave L · Apr 28, 2019

Davy said:
Amillennialism is just a doctrine from men. The 1st century Church fathers held to a return of Jesus prior to the millennium of Rev.20, because that is how the timeline is actually written in God's Word. Jesus returns first, the "thousand years" reign then starts.

Jesus is Amillennial and never mentioned a physical kingdom.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus is Amillennial and never mentioned a physical kingdom.

Sorry, but you're slowly revealing yourself to be on the plan of the children of darkness, and their New World Order. Where were you initiated? in what temple of theirs?

Dave L · Apr 28, 2019

Davy said:
Sorry, but you're slowly revealing yourself to be on the plan of the children of darkness, and their New World Order. Where were you initiated? in what temple of theirs?

Wowzers............ Please, produce one passage where Jesus proclaims a future physical kingdom instead of a present spiritual kingdom.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Dave L said:
Wowzers............ Please, produce one passage where Jesus proclaims a future physical kingdom instead of a present spiritual kingdom.

I will if you tell me what temple you were initiated in. The place where many of your views are coming from are not from The Bible.

Dave L · Apr 28, 2019

Davy said:
I will if you tell me what temple you were initiated in. The place where many of your views are coming from are not from The Bible.

Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual, and only the born again can see it. Is this why you cannot grasp it?

Jay Ross · Apr 28, 2019

Dave L said:
In Daniel, Jesus establishes his kingdom in the time of the Roman Empire which already happened. But again, only the born again can see it.

Dave, that is the way you see it. I and many others have a very different understanding of when the Everlasting Kingdom of God will be established here on the earth during the time of those kings. I view the time spans found in Daniel very differently. My prayer is that your love of God will be suffice for you even though we have completely different views and understandings of How God will play out the End Times.

Naomi25 · Apr 28, 2019

Davy said:
The Jewish historian Josephus was actually there when it happened, and he is the 'only'... primary source that recorded that historical event.

AGAIN with the missing of my WHOLE point! 70AD was only the aftermath of the real event, which was Christ's death. After their rejection of their Messiah, any continuing sacrifices in that Temple were pointless, empty and an insult to God. 70AD was God's rather emphatic way of rebuking them for it.

Davy · Apr 29, 2019

Naomi25 said:
AGAIN with the missing of my WHOLE point! 70AD was only the aftermath of the real event, which was Christ's death. After their rejection of their Messiah, any continuing sacrifices in that Temple were pointless, empty and an insult to God. 70AD was God's rather emphatic way of rebuking them for it.

No, that was not the point. You are trying to now change... the point. The original point was your supposed idea that the Romans fulfilled the same sacrifice example that Antiochus IV did in 165 B.C., which is why you quoted the Roman historian Livius.

Naomi25 said:
"The Antonia was demolished. The stones were used to build a new dam, this time towards the Temple terrace. The Romans used the dam to set fire to the porticoes on the northern and western side of the terrace, but it was impossible to bash trough the walls. On the tenth of August, the Temple itself was burning. Six thousand women and children were taken prisoner at the Court of the Gentiles, while the legionaries sacrificed to their standards in the Holy of Holies."

Titus' Siege of Jerusalem - Livius

Oh, by the way, Livius (i.e, Livy), died before the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans. That means you cannot use him as an historical source for that 70 A.D. event.

Naomi25 · Apr 29, 2019

Davy said:
No, that was not the point. You are trying to now change... the point. The original point was your supposed idea that the Romans fulfilled the same sacrifice example that Antiochus IV did in 165 B.C., which is why you quoted the Roman historian Livius.

Oh, by the way, Livius (i.e, Livy), died before the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans. That means you cannot use him as an historical source for that 70 A.D. event.

Yes, it was the point. Please see Post #48. It was you who bought up...AFTER that post, 70AD. My post...post #48, was about how the temple was already unclean in regards to the Jews rejecting their Messiah. Please check your facts before lampooning me...

Davy · Apr 30, 2019

Naomi25 said:
Yes, it was the point. Please see Post #48. It was you who bought up...AFTER that post, 70AD. My post...post #48, was about how the temple was already unclean in regards to the Jews rejecting their Messiah. Please check your facts before lampooning me...

Here's what you said:

"The Antonia was demolished. The stones were used to build a new dam, this time towards the Temple terrace. The Romans used the dam to set fire to the porticoes on the northern and western side of the terrace, but it was impossible to bash trough the walls. On the tenth of August, the Temple itself was burning. Six thousand women and children were taken prisoner at the Court of the Gentiles, while the legionaries sacrificed to their standards in the Holy of Holies."

Then you provided a link to Livius for that quote, which that source is bogus, since Livy (i.e., Livius) died around 17 A.D. The Romans didn't do sacrifices in the temple, period. Thus the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel was not... fulfilled in 70 A.D. The Livius quote is false information.

Naomi25 · May 1, 2019

Davy said:
Here's what you said:

Then you provided a link to Livius for that quote, which that source is bogus, since Livy (i.e., Livius) died around 17 A.D. The Romans didn't do sacrifices in the temple, period. Thus the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel was not... fulfilled in 70 A.D. The Livius quote is false information.

Sigh. Why is it so hard to count? #48 comes before #62 does it not?

Here is my FIRST point, which I made in #48:

An abomination in the Temple was making it unclean. Doing something within it that was an offense to God. Sacrificing a pig there, for example, was an abomination, given it happened in the old covenant when God still demaned his people to keep to the cleanliness laws and to proper temple sacrifice.
However, once Christ came for his people, for sin and ushered in the new covenant...ignoring all of that and continuing to follow God via the old, obsolete way was a direct insult to God and what he had just sacrificed on their behalf...his Son.
So absolutely...every time they slaughted an animal there and ignored their Messiah's death...every time they followed the Pharisaical leading of putting law above Christ himself...it was seen as an abomination.
The reason we can know this for a fact? God allowed that temple to be pulled down by the Romans, and has not had the Jews...despite their own desires....build another one. In the OT we see God actively stepping in to facilitate the rebuilding of the temple for his people. And yet, for the last 2000 years he has allowed that temple to remain in ashes and not have another one built. If the Jews are truly separate from the Christians, and they do truly need a temple to woship God in, don't we suppose that he would have been on that?

YOU bought up the temples destruction in #58, which also comes AFTER the number 48. My response in #62, be it from a factual site or not (which is remained to be seen, as one can play the "my site is better than your site forever) WAS NOT MY INITIAL POINT. I don't CARE if the Romans sacrificed in the temple or not...it's not my point.
And your repeated attempts to make it so only show that you will not or cannot address my actual point.

So...if you HAVE something to say about the Jewish ongoing sacrifices being an abomination in and of themselves, fine, we can continue this conversation. Otherwise, I see no point trying to bash my head against someone who cannot focus on what's at hand.

Davy · May 1, 2019

Naomi25 said:
Sigh. Why is it so hard to count? #48 comes before #62 does it not?

Here is my FIRST point, which I made in #48:

YOU bought up the temples destruction in #58, which also comes AFTER the number 48. My response in #62, be it from a factual site or not (which is remained to be seen, as one can play the "my site is better than your site forever) WAS NOT MY INITIAL POINT. I don't CARE if the Romans sacrificed in the temple or not...it's not my point.
And your repeated attempts to make it so only show that you will not or cannot address my actual point.

So...if you HAVE something to say about the Jewish ongoing sacrifices being an abomination in and of themselves, fine, we can continue this conversation. Otherwise, I see no point trying to bash my head against someone who cannot focus on what's at hand.

Glad you have a Yo-Yo, because that's about all your post amounts to. I documented what you said, and you were wrong, and that's all there is to it.

Earburner · May 1, 2019

Davy said:
And you, and et al, take what Jesus said about that out of its context. The meaning is that His Kingdom is not of this present world age! There's so much Bible Scripture written about His future Kingdom established on this planet earth in the future that it's stupidity to think of His Kingdom as anywhere else in the WORLD TO COME. That world to come has NOT... come yet today.

You speak in error due to the lack of your understanding, of what happened to Israel, when the kingdom of God was taken from them, and given to all born again Saints, since the Day of Pentecost.
Luke 19[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
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When the KoG was taken away from Israel, all of the OC promises, for the KoG on earth through Israel, were made obsolete, null and void.
Luke 13[35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

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