I used to believe just as you do and thought I was speaking in tongues too. But today's tongues are common among many religions including voodoo. They are not biblical tongues in the least. Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction
When is 'Speaking in Tongues', true versus false.
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You need scripture to support your claims. And Pentecostals do not understand the scriptures they try to support them with.
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Understanding vs experience....
I came into a Pentecostal Holiness Church that was in revival. The old guys would sit back in the pew and weep while the people before them were being laid out in the Spirit. If they looked back and catch the amazed look in my eye they would weep, "The Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost!" As they pointed to the souls blessed around the altar. After being in such an environment for months one evening while laying on my bed reading Nikki Cruises "Run Baby Run" I felt the Holy Spirit speak to me for the first time to put the book down. When I did he says again, "Where is all that stress, tension, bad feelings, and the like?" In which examining my soul there was nothing there but pure beauty, I thought to myself, oh my! I have gotten exactly what those people have gotten! And in the words of George Clark Rankin,
"As we returned home the sun shone brighter, the birds sang sweeter and the autumn-time looked richer than ever before. My heart was light and my spirit buoyant. I had anchored my soul in the haven of rest, and there was not a ripple upon the current of my joy. That night there was no service and after supper I walked out under the great old pine trees and held communion with God. I thought of mother, and home, and Heaven.
"I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life." - The Life of George Clark Rankin
The old Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness church. I have never heard such singing , preaching, and shouting anywhere else in my entire life! They carried on the Methodist traditions handed down before them and were a fine people. You could feel the anointing of the Holy Spirit simply by walking through those doors!
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This is a heart warming story. But it proves nothing. It only proves nice people can be deceived and sold a line that doesn't hold up if they break away and study apart from "group think".Understanding vs experience....
I came into a Pentecostal Holiness Church that was in revival. The old guys would sit back in the pew and weep while the people before them were being laid out in the Spirit. If they looked back and catch the amazed look in my eye they would weep, "The Holy Ghost! The Holy Ghost!" As they pointed to the souls blessed around the altar. After being in such an environment for months one evening while laying on my bed reading Nikki Cruises "Run Baby Run" I felt the Holy Spirit speak to me for the first time to put the book down. When I did he says again, "Where is all that stress, tension, bad feelings, and the like?" In which examining my soul there was nothing there but pure beauty, I thought to myself, oh my! I have gotten exactly what those people have gotten! And in the words of George Clark Rankin,
"As we returned home the sun shone brighter, the birds sang sweeter and the autumn-time looked richer than ever before. My heart was light and my spirit buoyant. I had anchored my soul in the haven of rest, and there was not a ripple upon the current of my joy. That night there was no service and after supper I walked out under the great old pine trees and held communion with God. I thought of mother, and home, and Heaven.
"I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life." - The Life of George Clark Rankin
The old Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness church. I have never heard such singing , preaching, and shouting anywhere else in my entire life! They carried on the Methodist traditions handed down before them and were a fine people. You could feel the anointing of the Holy Spirit simply by walking through those doors!
Recent Pentecostal Scandals
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And we have, "A total of about 380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers have faced allegations of sexual misconduct, a newspaper investigation found."....
More than 200 Baptist ministers, deacons and others found guilty of sex abuse, report says
I'm not a part of any denomination. But what is 200 over the same amount of years when compared to the history of scandal in Pentecostalism since its inception in the early 1900s?
God gives this gift so the varied languages can be addressed and the gospel spread to the ends of the earth, not some foolish nonsense manifestations. People who don't know Chinese or Russian will preach in that language or any of the languages of the world for that matter. The things we see happening today in charismatic churches is not the true gift of tongues and it's not any part of a known language or for spreading the gospel. Most folks that are doing this don't even know what they are saying, they are simply making an undicernable noise. We need to be very careful how we deal with those going down this path, and show them the love of Christ needs to fill our hearts, and use scripture as we witness about the truth of what tongues actually is and what it's all about. Let the Bible do the talking and pray that the truth will be seen by those who are sincere in wanting to find it.
Being slain in the spirit is addictive to some and it's very real and we need to be very careful with how we approach this phenomenon. It takes over the body and what ever is happening effects the central nervous system dramatically. We need to pray that the Lord will make known the deceit of this practice to those immersed in it.
1 Peter 1:22-23
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Being slain in the spirit is addictive to some and it's very real and we need to be very careful with how we approach this phenomenon. It takes over the body and what ever is happening effects the central nervous system dramatically. We need to pray that the Lord will make known the deceit of this practice to those immersed in it.
1 Peter 1:22-23
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Repeat the question please. I do not know what you are referring to. Calling people dishonest judges their motive which we cannot do. It will come back on us when God judges.
Notice how every time I refute Dave with God's Word, he babbles on in human wisdom, always refusing to specifically address the Word I quote him. He rejects all challenges to get into the Word and discuss it because he has nothing to offer in his defense.
I think the scriptures make clear what is the true...
1 Corinthians 14:27-33
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1. You don't speak one utterance with no one understanding
2. If there is no one that can interpret you keep silent
3. If the Spirit pours out in prophecy it should not be with no purpose but discernible
4. If there is understanding, it should by another, not the one that was speaking
5. All the saints there should learn and be comforted by the Spirit being poured out, not be left with useless utterances.
6. The true Spirit being poured out does not contradict what it has given to the prophets
7. And the most important, God is not the author of confusion, these made up vain utterances of self, are certainly not of God.
Christ also was clear the Holy Spirit also takes on the role of teacher, guide and counselor, leading us in the way we should go prompting and revealing God’s truth, all with good order.
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed in many ways, not just 'speaking in tongues' for everyone.
Romans 12:5-8
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
It brings us closer to Christ and is poured out with purpose, for spreading the gospel to the whole world.
1 Corinthians 14:27-33
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1. You don't speak one utterance with no one understanding
2. If there is no one that can interpret you keep silent
3. If the Spirit pours out in prophecy it should not be with no purpose but discernible
4. If there is understanding, it should by another, not the one that was speaking
5. All the saints there should learn and be comforted by the Spirit being poured out, not be left with useless utterances.
6. The true Spirit being poured out does not contradict what it has given to the prophets
7. And the most important, God is not the author of confusion, these made up vain utterances of self, are certainly not of God.
Christ also was clear the Holy Spirit also takes on the role of teacher, guide and counselor, leading us in the way we should go prompting and revealing God’s truth, all with good order.
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed in many ways, not just 'speaking in tongues' for everyone.
Romans 12:5-8
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
It brings us closer to Christ and is poured out with purpose, for spreading the gospel to the whole world.
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My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
No, the instruction is two or three, not the whole church.
So you consider the church of England a questionable sect?
When I first spoke in tongues, no one coached me.
No, they came via the apostle's mouths, not their hands.
The first-century tongue speakers did not know what they were saying that is why they needed interpreters. Today's tongue speakers are the same.
TODAY, I have read about Christians who have spoken in tongues in a foreign country in a meeting and a local has interpreted and afterward told the tongue speaker that they spoke the foreign language perfectly.
The "gifts" today are Pentecostal knock-offs of the originals. No more real than a $3 Rolex.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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Anthony D'Arienzo
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No one speaks in tongues today, nobody so it is simple. They did speak in languages At the time of the Apostles, but no more.
A video is worth a thousand tongues..........
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
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