What does "walk worthy of God" mean?

Hidden In Him said:

Let me ask this directly to you, @VictoryinJesus, and @"ByGrace", since I'm not sure I've ever asked any of you this directly before: What happens to the believer who denies Christ, and denounces Him before men in order to avoid persecution? Has he personally done something that disqualifies him from spending eternity with the Lord?

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I already answered that earlier.
= He loses his reward, his position in the kingdom as a good and faithful servant being overseer of this that or the other... as Abraham, Moses, Peter Paul and such like. ...he does not lose his salvation.

Obviously ..going by your responses , you believe he is lost!!!

I just got through posting to Stunned in the other thread...
Luke 16 the rich man in hell lift up his eyes in torment

Hidden In Him said:

Greetings, APAK. As I have been posting, I believe the expression refers to not denying Him before men. I believe 2 Timothy 2:12 is a command rather than a hope, or a mere suggestion, because it carries very serious weight on the eternal fate of the believer.

Let me ask this directly to you, @VictoryinJesus, and @"ByGrace", since I'm not sure I've ever asked any of you this directly before: What happens to the believer who denies Christ, and denounces Him before men in order to avoid persecution? Has he personally done something that disqualifies him from spending eternity with the Lord?

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I think you might have to read the context of your OP again. It is not about denying Christ at all. It's about the 'walk'. If you want to add in a case of denial of Christ when Paul is speaking of the 'walk' then that's up to you, although you are not staying focused on the subject in the OP. Your last part of your post proves this with your two questions posed to me and two others.

I suspect you have a preconceived view of 'the walk' that somehow includes denying Christ. It sounds too complicated for what you said in your OP. If you deny Christ and somehow it relates to the 'walk' then I would suspect that you are either not a believer, or a new infant believer (carnal) that has not even begun to take one step in the Spirit yet. If this is the case then let's discuss that subject.

I think the real other question for your OP is, what does it mean not to walk worthily? And again it does not mean denying Christ.

Paul does not command anyone to 'walk in spirit.' Show me this in scripture where he commanded people in this regard, as I cannot see it? This is just your opinion. It is not Paul's role or authority in the least to command anyone when and how and and where to 'walk in the Spirit.' That would make Paul more than a mere man of Christ who constantly walked in the Spirit after he received Christ.

Bless you,

APAK

@Hidden In Him

Paul wrote desire to spur on the Church. He wrote to the mature..
"Hold the vision", 'run the race', 'see the Goal'...'reach for the Prize..'
( Christ the Prize)

Why are you concerned with those who may fall back?

Are you questioning us here because you feel that we are all losers? immature? carnal? Or are these questions related to your own live church group?

I was for 20 years in a Sonship movement.
We preached to the Overcomers...not to the babes, You preach high, and those who are babes get their crumbs , but you don't preach crumbs and expect the mature to go away full.

I guess I am just wondering where you concern lays.
Are you afraid of denying Christ?

Fear causes us worms to do may things...even those who by fear deny Christ openly are not automatically destine for hell.
Many behind the iron curtain and behind the bamboo curtain were 'reluctant heroes' ... God always goes by the heart.
Some take everything so black and white ...

The end is not yet....

Hidden In Him said:

Victory, you make it sound as if a believer no longer has the freewill to deny Christ once he has been saved... but then maybe that's what you actually believe. Is it? I didn't know that you were Calvinist. If you are, forgive me.

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Psalm 110.3 is maybe relevant here: "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power" (Psalm 110.3).

Hidden In Him said:

Victory, you make it sound as if a believer no longer has the freewill to deny Christ once he has been saved...

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Then he is not truly dead; only wounded.

Hidden In Him said:

but then maybe that's what you actually believe. Is it? I didn't know that you were Calvinist. If you are, forgive me.

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Not denying the power of the cross. To the weak, He is their strength and power. You really think God would abandon children born of the Spiritual womb from above? Man doesn’t control one being born from above, God does and He gives Life to whom He wills. To say one loses something that has to be kept of man is to say it is within man’s control and not God’s. To say man keeps it is to set a house on shifting sand and watch as it falls. Romans 8:33-39
[33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. [34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


So tell me why you circle around time and again to saying man plus God does it? It is a new name given which is His. The flesh was crucified...that is the model.

APAK said:

Paul does not command anyone to 'walk in spirit.' Show me this in scripture where he commanded people in this regard, as I cannot see it?

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Paul forever the teacher , tells us the 'how' of things.
He said - "If you walk in the Spirit you won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh."

Advice , and wisdom of how to avoid the pitfalls.....but not a command.

I am trying to think of any place where Paul did anything other than Teach the flock...did he ever "command"????

Hidden In Him said:

Anyone else? I was in particular hoping to hear from Calvinists on what they believe about this phrase. Maybe @Preacher4Truth, @Waiting on him, or @Anthony D'Arienzo. Anyone?

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Thanks for the invite! I will try to remember to get to this sometime later.

"ByGrace" said:

Paul forever the teacher , tells us the 'how' of things.
He said - "If you walk in the Spirit you won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh."

Advice , and wisdom of how to avid the pitfalls.....but not a command.

I am trying to think of any place where Paul did anything other than Teach the flock...did he ever "command"????

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Hi BG, try Galatians 5:16 and here's a link to give you some understanding of what you're looking for.

"Walk in the Spirit"
"Holy Spirit Commands: Walk by the Spirit | Galatians 5:17| Christ Assembly"

sometimes when one is looking for the actual word, look at what's it's synonyms with ...

PICJAG.

VictoryinJesus said:

Without faith it is impossible to please God. What is faith if not to enter into His rest which He said they would not enter because of unbelief.

Hebrews 11:6
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Hebrews 4:2-5
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it . [3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What is to enter into His rest? Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

So whose work is it? Whose work is it; if the one entered into His death has ceased from his own works?

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Philippians 2:13-14 KJV
[13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. [14] Do all things without murmurings and disputings:


Tecarta Bible

Hidden In Him said:

That's actually my position, LoL. I view yours and Victory's as an officer telling his troops to do something when they have already done it, which would kinda make him a little bit of a crazy person and unfit for leadership, LoL. (Just playing around).

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Ephesians 2:10
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


“Ordained”: (1) To set in order, arrange, prepare: —created in Christ Jesus.

The “good works” are the fruits of the Spirit. To deny Him is this not in saying they are “good works” of the flesh? Consider what always cost them persecution was in saying it was of God and not of man. Why does this offend? For Stephen to say God dwells not in temples made with hands but in a temple made without hands...got Stephen stoned. Paul did not preach circumcision in the flesh and he suffered offense of the cross for it. The way to not suffer persecution for the sake of the cross is in pacifying men who want to rob God of glory and place it on man and what man can do. If the power is of men it will come to nothing. If the power be of God then nothing can overthrow it. To deny Him is to deny the work of God.

Hidden In Him said:

This is an excellent verse, icxn. I doubt anyone will respond to it.

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The word labour here simply means to study. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard the good dead flesh workers jump on this one and say look at me I’m a laborer!!!!!!

Hidden In Him said:

Me? Oh, God no. I've longed to die and go on to be with the Lord for over 20+ years now. If someone presented me with the opportunity to deny Christ or die for my faith, I'd probably grin at them and silently ask myself "Where in the world have you been all my life? I have one complaint: You're late," LoL

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Sounds really sincere.