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I's really too simple for most to grasp. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Jeremiah said the New Covenant would replace them. And the New Covenant does not demand Sabbath keeping.
 
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I's really too simple for most to grasp. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Jeremiah said the New Covenant would replace them. And the New Covenant does not demand Sabbath keeping.

We are to have a day set aside for the Lord.

After the Rapture it will return to Sabbath keeping.

Please do not spread this discussion over multiple threads. Keep it here so all can share.
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There is an outward/literal and there is an inward/spiritual keeping of the Sabbath, just as there is a literal and a spiritual circumcision and a host of other works of the law that have this… dualistic application (Hebrews 8:5-7). The former application is the letter that kills (2 Corinthians 3:6-8), it is the old wine (Matthew 9:17-18), it is the old covenant, which Christ made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). The latter, is the new and spiritual wine that makes us partakers of the divine nature.
 
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We are to have a day set aside for the Lord.

After the Rapture it will return to Sabbath keeping.

Please do not spread this discussion over multiple threads. Keep it here so all can share.
Covenants
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” (Romans 14:5–6)
 

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“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” (Romans 14:5–6)
Under the blood covenant yes.

Under the future to the house of Judah and Israel no.
 

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I's really too simple for most to grasp. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Jeremiah said the New Covenant would replace them. And the New Covenant does not demand Sabbath keeping.
Jeremiah said "Torah" would be written on hearts and minds under the NC. Torah includes all Ten Commandments.
 

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There is an outward/literal and there is an inward/spiritual keeping of the Sabbath, just as there is a literal and a spiritual circumcision and a host of other works of the law that have this… dualistic application (Hebrews 8:5-7). The former application is the letter that kills (2 Corinthians 3:6-8), it is the old wine (Matthew 9:17-18), it is the old covenant, which Christ made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). The latter, is the new and spiritual wine that makes us partakers of the divine nature.
The commandment against adultery is also "dualistic". Is the letter of "Thou shall not commit adultery" obsolete as well?

The Old Covenant is obsolete, the commandments are not. Do you include the other nine of the Ten Commandments as being obsolete as well?
 

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“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” (Romans 14:5–6)
First, the word "alike" is in italics in many versions because it is not in the Greek. There is nothing wrong with esteeming every day, after all, YHWH made them all. If we choose to worship Him seven days a week, so be it and halleluYah! However, that does not change the fact that as we worship Him every day we must also rest from labor on one day, the Sabbath. It is a mistake to read the Sabbath into this verse. Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned. Nor can we read any of YHWH's annual sabbaths or feast days into this verse. There were many other "days" that the Jews highly esteemed besides the Sabbath and feasts. For example, most Jews at that time fasted twice a week (Luke 18:12 and Talmudic writings). The Jews also kept fast days throughout the year as mentioned in Zechariah 8:19. Then there was the Feast of Purim (Esther 9:28), and the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah (John 10:22).

The Jewish converts would have probably continued esteeming these days whereas the Gentile converts would probably not, especially since they were not commanded by Yahweh to be kept. However, all men knew the Sabbath was commanded and so there was no question about its observance as seen in such verses as Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-44; 14:1.
 

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The commandment against adultery is also "dualistic". Is the letter of "Thou shall not commit adultery" obsolete as well?

The Old Covenant is obsolete, the commandments are not. Do you include the other nine of the Ten Commandments as being obsolete as well?
That's the thing, by keeping the spirit you inevitably keep any bodily application as well. Obsolete doesn't mean we break it. It means it has been superseded by something better. In the case of adultery, if we avoid the spiritual adultery of indulging our eyes and don't allow the desire or even the thought to arise in our heart, it is impossible to commit the deed. Observing the Sabbath means to dedicate yourself in studying and doing that which is good, while avoiding any work that does not relate to virtue or is outright sinful. If such is the case there's nothing to prevent you from observing Sabbath every day.
 

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That's the thing, by keeping the spirit you inevitably keep any bodily application as well. Obsolete doesn't mean we break it. It means it has been superseded by something better. In the case of adultery, if we avoid the spiritual adultery of indulging our eyes and don't allow the desire or even the thought to arise in our heart, it is impossible to commit the deed. Observing the Sabbath means to dedicate yourself in studying and doing that which is good, while avoiding any work that does not relate to virtue or is outright sinful. If such is the case there's nothing to prevent you from observing Sabbath every day.
Is it still a sin to do forbidden work on the 7th day?
 

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Cooking, secular employment, kindling a fire, etc.
How about cooking and feeding homeless people, or saving a life as a doctor or a fireman? These are not sins even if they are performed on the Sabbath. Cooking extravagant meals and indulging the desires of our belly is a sin any day of the week. Kindling a fire to physically warm oneself on a cold day is not a sin. Kindling the fire of greed, lust, anger or any such thing is a sin, yes. With secular employment sometimes people don't have a choice, so for them it is not a sin to work on a Sabbath. If you are self-employed and motivated by greed, you work on the day of the Lord, I would call that a sin.

In everything we should search the motive and the circumstances, otherwise we would be no different than the Jews who found fault with Christ for healing a man on the Sabbath.
 
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