What does "walk worthy of God" mean?

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Hidden In Him

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Sounds really sincere.

Oh, yes. I'm lying, LoL.

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Well, that does it for me again. I'm out, probably for good on this thread. I got all the answers I needed anyways. : )

@Episkopos and @icxn: Thanks the posts. Nice to hear from others who see the same things you do in the word of God. : )
Blessings in Christ, and thanks again!
 
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Waiting on him

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What?.... Victory, how many Christians do you believe have reached this level of crucifixion yet? In fact, NO ONE ever gets to the place of self-crucifixion to where they no longer have any freewill left. That's ridiculous.

No WONDER you teach the things you do... this explains your positions...

You are over-extending the teaching on dying to self over into self-non-existence, which is taking things too far.

That's really bizarre, Victory. I think it is well-intended, but stretching beyond the confines of both scripture and wisdom. If we never retained ANY of our own self-will and self-identity as human beings in eternity, why on earth would He create us? He compares us to a bride. What man would desire to marry someone who had no personality of her own, but completely absorbed her personality into his until she had no self-identity whatsoever anymore? Find me that man and I'll show you a narcissist of colossal proportions, who has no thought for anyone in existence but himself.

Again I am amazed by some of the responses I'm getting on this thread.


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You must not be married. Two become one. What your selling is selfishness
 

Anthony D'Arienzo

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Just as an aside here. :)

People often talk about "real Christians"...on this site they sometimes tell who they are posting to..you are not a real Christian.

Maybe a better phrase would be immature , or what the bible calls - "An Overcomer" Rev 3

We have overcoming , mature Christians, who walk the walk and not just talk to talk. And we have carnal Christians which Paul addresses.

My own turn of phrase to separate the two classes...is " A believing believer"
It not quite to offensive as calling them 'not a real Christian'.

The Administrator ' lForrest' posted a warning thread in 2016 saying:-



Just saying:- :)

Bless you..Helen
Notice I did not refer to any person in particular.
The NT. Warns about false processing people.
When the term real Christian's is used it speaks of some who is quickened and indwelt by the Spirit.
Not everyone is.
Also, I am against censorship. It should not happen
 
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Helen

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Well why else would I be concerned? I don't want to see people going to Hell. o_O

I think we will just have to agree that we do not see things the same.
But thats okay. Dave L and I don't see eye to eye , but we are still good friends.

You say here "I don't want to see people going to Hell."

You obviously believe ( like many others) that carnal Christians will end up in Hell.

I do not.

Bless you bro.
 

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You must not be married. Two become one.

And you and your wife think exactly the same things at every second of the day, react to everything the same way at all times, at every second of the day, have the same exact opinions about everything at all times, take the same interest in the exact same things at every second of the day, pray about and think the exact same things every second of the day, meditate on the exact same things at every second of the day, speak the exact same words of your mouths every second of the day, eat the exact same things in the exact same quantities at the exact same time at every second of every day, and every week, and every year, and every decade, without fail...
What your selling is selfishness

And what you are selling is insults again. I am refraining from returning them in kind again. Nevertheless I am the one who is being selfish.

@"ByGrace": How can you give a "like" to that post? You think I know nothing of being married, or the principles of being one in Christ without turning it into total nonsense?
 

Hidden In Him

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Notice I did not refer to any person in particular.
The NT. Warns about false processing people.
When the term real Christian's is used it speaks of some who is quickened and indwelt by the Spirit.
Not everyone is.
Also, I am against censorship. It should not happen

Anthony, my apologies, but I was hoping to have a decent conversation on this thread and it's not turning out that way. It's what I get for posting a thread like this, LoL, but they are becoming increasingly rare so at least I have that to hang my hat on. Anyways, I would have liked to have had a conversation with you on it since you and I might be able to have a reasoned discussion, but I'm seriously getting worn out at this point.

Maybe next time, and my apologies to you for not being able to this time around.
Blessings in Christ, and thanks anyway.
 

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Thanks for the response, Anthony. My next question for those who take this position has been the following: The verses in the OP are a command to walk worthy of God; an imperative. If they were already children of light and worthiness has already been imputed to them, why give them a command that made it sound as if they still needed to accomplish something that Christ had already accomplished on their behalf?
HiH,
To whom much is given, much is required.
We are called and equipped for service for the kingdom. The spiritual.life is not all about us, but about helping people who are perishing under the judgment of God.
To walk worthy presupposes we are doing the first works, like keeping the heart with all diligence.prov4:23, psalm1 phil.3 hebrews12:14.
Living in this world in a decaying body, we grow weary. We forget, we are distracted by worldly pleasure, even though Paul told Timothy no man that warreth,entangles himself in the affairs of this life. 2tim2:3-4
 

Anthony D'Arienzo

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No problem, it was a good topic and a good thread.
Lord willing we can move forward at another time.
Read Thomas Watson, Richard Baxter,..
Look up JC. Ryle online on practical religion.
if I can I will provide links for you when I get on my laptop.
 

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In fact, NO ONE ever gets to the place of self-crucifixion to where they no longer have any freewill left. That's ridiculous.

Self-crucifixion? Is there such a thing? Self can do a lot. Since you are the one saying it is ridiculous then what does Mark 8:34 mean and all the other verses about giving all to win Christ? Yet, to your estimation all is not all but partial? “And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”

1 Corinthians 9:16-17
[16] For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! [17] For if I do this thing willingly, I (already)have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.


You are over-extending the teaching on dying to self over into self-non-existence, which is taking things too far.

why on earth would He create us
“because the creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.“

Romans 8:19-21
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

To argue or push free will as if any of us are losing something when it is passing away ...what are we losing to win Christ? Philippians 3:7-9
[7] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [8] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Romans 8:18
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
 
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What does it mean to walk worthy of the Lord? (Colossians 1:10, 1 Thessalonians 2:12)
It appears in the context of Colossians 1 that this walk is according to the revealed will of God; that they would know his will; Colossians 1:9, and would walk in it; Colossians 1:10. In other words Paul didn't preach an easy-believe-ism gospel, or even as D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones lamented, properly, mere "believe-ism."

This would then be to walk in a way that shows their profession to be real, a walk that becomes their profession, something that would be completely foreign to many today who profess salvation. Many would misconstrue this as some sort of works gospel, being so averse to any type of work at all.

Paul reveals to us these things that would lend towards a worthy walk in the following verses of Colossians. That we would bear fruit, increase in knowledge, that we would be strengthened by him, have endurance, patience, joy, and thankfulness; note Colossians 1:11-12. These things are evidence of conversion and fruit of the Spirit. All could be developed upon with other Scriptural proofs and supports.

That said, Paul appears to be looking for the evidence of true conversion. Many today unfortunately do not believe in any evidence of true conversion and conflate this with works salvation.
 

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It appears in the context of Colossians 1 that this walk is according to the revealed will of God; that they would know his will; Colossians 1:9, and would walk in it; Colossians 1:10. In other words Paul didn't preach an easy-believe-ism gospel, or even as D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones lamented, properly, mere "believe-ism."

This would then be to walk in a way that shows their profession to be real, a walk that becomes their profession, something that would be completely foreign to many today who profess salvation. Many would misconstrue this as some sort of works gospel, being so averse to any type of work at all.

Paul reveals to us these things that would lend towards a worthy walk in the following verses of Colossians. That we would bear fruit, increase in knowledge, that we would be strengthened by him, have endurance, patience, joy, and thankfulness; note Colossians 1:11-12. These things are evidence of conversion and fruit of the Spirit. All could be developed upon with other Scriptural proofs and supports.

That said, Paul appears to be looking for the evidence of true conversion. Many today unfortunately do not believe in any evidence of true conversion and conflate this with works salvation.
Having begun in the Spirit?
 

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How can you give a "like" to that post? You think I know nothing of being married, or the principles of being one in Christ without turning it into total nonsense?

I'm very sorry that you got miffed-off. :oops:
The thing is you seemed to get annoyed when people didn't see things as you see them.

Hey, even my husband and myself enjoy a good old argument about certain scriptures from time to time..
If we all agreed there would be nothing left to discuss.

But I am sorry this thread ended on a sour note.

Good bless you Chris.
 

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And are there certain actions by which a child of God would no longer be walking worthy of the Lord?
Certainly. Paul contrasts walking in the Spirit vs walking in the *flesh* in Galatians 5 (and other Scriptures). The flesh being the old Adamic sin nature.
 

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= deserving of God.
You won't find any Scripture making this claim. No one can be -- or will be -- "deserving of God", since all Christians are to deem themselves as "unprofitable servants" of Christ.

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do
. (Lk 17:10)

Walking worthy of God is simply doing what God and Christ have commanded.
 
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You won't find any Scripture making this claim. No one can be -- or will be -- "deserving of God", since all Christians are to deem themselves as "unprofitable servants" of Christ.

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do
. (Lk 17:10)

Walking worthy of God is simply doing what God and Christ have commanded.
If you consider Jesus made us worthy, you can walk in his imputed worthiness.
 
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And how does one do so?
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
 
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I'm very sorry that you got miffed-off. :oops:
The thing is you seemed to get annoyed when people didn't see things as you see them.

Hey, even my husband and myself enjoy a good old argument about certain scriptures from time to time..
If we all agreed there would be nothing left to discuss.

But I am sorry this thread ended on a sour note.

Good bless you Chris.

Not a big deal, sister. :) My problem is I'm usually maintaining my patience with people about 70-80% of the time on the forums to begin with, for a variety of reasons. When a post comes along that borders on insulting my intelligence it usually sends me over the top. But that's my problem and always has been, and I need to perfect endurance to where I can deal even with that. I hold nothing against you or Waiting.
 
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It appears in the context of Colossians 1 that this walk is according to the revealed will of God; that they would know his will; Colossians 1:9, and would walk in it; Colossians 1:10. In other words Paul didn't preach an easy-believe-ism gospel, or even as D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones lamented, properly, mere "believe-ism."

This would then be to walk in a way that shows their profession to be real, a walk that becomes their profession, something that would be completely foreign to many today who profess salvation. Many would misconstrue this as some sort of works gospel, being so averse to any type of work at all.

Paul reveals to us these things that would lend towards a worthy walk in the following verses of Colossians. That we would bear fruit, increase in knowledge, that we would be strengthened by him, have endurance, patience, joy, and thankfulness; note Colossians 1:11-12. These things are evidence of conversion and fruit of the Spirit. All could be developed upon with other Scriptural proofs and supports.

That said, Paul appears to be looking for the evidence of true conversion. Many today unfortunately do not believe in any evidence of true conversion and conflate this with works salvation.

Sounds like a well-reasoned post. I would have loved discussing things with you and covering several other related verses and passages, but as I was telling Anthony I'm really just burnt out at this point. Going to take a break from the forums for 4-6 months to regroup, possibly till 2020. So maybe we'll run into each other again then.

Blessings in Christ, and thanks for the courteous and well-worded response.
Yours,
Hidden
 

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4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

CF has a function where you can vote for posts you consider to be thread "winners." If there's a winner on this thread, this one would be it!

See you later, brother, and God bless! :)
 
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