Russia the Bear

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Christina

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Russia the Bear This conflict in Georgia with Russia could it be we are wittnessing the Bear of Daniel/Rev rising up? Daniel 7:5 "And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh." This bear nation is the bear nation of "Esau". We know that to be the nation of Russia, With the demise of the USSR we saw the bear fall on its side.Here in the fifth verse we see that this bear nation will rise on one side and "devour much flesh". To a degree, this part of prophecy has already started, however, it is still prophecy yet to come. God is not through with Russia . We see here in this verse that this bear will rise on not the front or back feet, but "it raised up on itself on one side". It will be deceptive, appearing to be rolling over, then arising, and striking.Though we see Russia today as not on its feet, but rolling to its side, and in a position of weakness, she is not. Daniel's vision shows us also that this bear (Esau or Russia) will cause three other nations (the three ribs) a great deal of harm.Might not this Georgia,Russia situation be the Bear Nation starting its attack on the 3 Ribs(nations)
 

treeoflife

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Could be, I was wondering the same thing. Whenever Russia becomes invested warfare my ears perk.
 

Christina

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guess we will know if they keep going and take over three countries that's what the News seems to be concerned with today that Russia will threaten other countries before it stops because they are not adhering to the truce agreement.
 

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But the conflict in Georgia is actually just on Russia's part. Russia went to help South Ossetia after Georgia started genocide. Russia did good, and as far as I can see, Russia isn't causing very much trouble at all.
 

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I would assume that Russia is one of the bad guy in the bible... I mean Esau didn't even care about his birthright... He sold it to Israel for a single meal. The birthright is more important than a meal. And God said Esau he hated... (Malachi 1:2)In fact it reminds me of a scripture.Luke 12:22-23 - And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
 

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But the conflict in Georgia is actually just on Russia's part. Russia went to help South Ossetia after Georgia started genocide. Russia did good, and as far as I can see, Russia isn't causing very much trouble at all.
I dont think you have the facts right Ossetia was serving as a buffer zone between Russia and Georgia peace keepers from both sides were therewho fired the first shots is unknown each side claims it was the other. Doesnt really much matter. Georgia is a sovergien Christian Nation not disputed territory as is Ossetia If Russia had stopped short of entering Georgia it would have remained a local dispute. But they crossed the border and they are themselves committing genocide in Georgia. Think of it this way If we had a scuffel on the border with mexico fine but if our troops go into Mexico and start boming the airports threatning to take over the capitol of Mexico and toppel the government. We are invading another country, this what Russia is doing. I understand your wanting to have sympathy toward Russia, but God says they are an evil empire. and play a part in the End of Days as I said before the peoples of Russia are not anymore in control of their government actions than we are ours God alone controls the leaders of nations and Russia is the Bear of Daniel,Esau, and the King of the North. sorry Wakka but thats what scripture says.
 

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I dont think you have the facts right Ossetia was serving as a buffer zone between Russia and Georgia peace keepers from both sides were therewho fired the first shots is unknown each side claims it was the other. Doesnt really much matter. Georgia is a sovergien Christian Nation not disputed territory as is Ossetia If Russia had stopped short of entering Georgia it would have remained a local dispute. But they crossed the border and they are themselves committing genocide in Georgia. Think of it this way If we had a scuffel on the border with mexico fine but if our troops go into Mexico and start boming the airports threatning to take over the capitol of Mexico and toppel the government. We are invading another country, this what Russia is doing. I understand your wanting to have sympathy toward Russia, but God says they are an evil empire. and play a part in the End of Days as I said before the peoples of Russia are not anymore in control of their government actions than we are ours God alone controls the leaders of nations and Russia is the Bear of Daniel,Esau, and the King of the North. sorry Wakka but thats what scripture says.
It's all biased news Kriss!Show me the scripture where it allows us to hate a country. Even if it's an evil country.
 

Christina

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I never said we are to hate a country I said The leaders of the country are Athiest and the scripture says they will follow the beast. And attack Israel. I have said we should not blame the Russian people because God alone controls the nations.However Im not going to pretend either that its a Good guy I'm sorry but wont deny what his word says because Look what scripture says of Rosh(Russia)Here is the main verse that very clearly and very graphically describes this event. This verse is from the of Eze. 38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, set your face against Gog, the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him," and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God;"Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with, all of them with shield and helmet ...After many days you will be visited. In the LATTER YEARS you will come back into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you."'Thus says the Lord God: "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: you will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates - to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land ...''Thus says the Lord God: "On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it? Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army. You will come against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the LATTER DAYS that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes ...""And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord God, "that My fury will show in My face. For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there will be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence.
 

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I wonder what all the Russian Christians think of the condemnation?
Hopefully they are serving God and anticipating His will since we (Christians) find our identity in Christ and His Word, not in the country in which we happen to be placed.
 

tomwebster

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I wonder what all the Russian Christians think of the condemnation?
Theeir government probably doesn't let them hear it.
 

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Hopefully they are serving God and anticipating His will since we (Christians) find our identity in Christ and His Word, not in the country in which we happen to be placed.
I actually strongly disagree with you.I know that we shouldn't do that, but I have never seen anything to the contrary.The majority of people cannot remove the influence of their country and culture. For example, I am constantly perplexed and amazed at the things American Christians say and do. All I can contribute that to is culture. Even in my country, I moved interstate, and the difference in culture between the states is enormous.
 

treeoflife

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Sure, people very well may do that, but my comment wasn't based on what people do or are likely to do. My comment was based on what we should do. Preach from the standard of God, not from the trend or the tendency people.
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We (going by what we should do) find our identity in Christ, not in our country. You cannot serve two masters.
 

Christina

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Not a single person is going escape making a decision whether they follow Antichrist or Christthe fact that God controls Governments to bring about certain events has nothing to do with the Russian individual people each one just like the rest of us has decide ourselves who we follow. God says it is he that will put a hook in their mouth. The Russian people just like Americans and everyother person as TOL has said better find their salvation with the Lord not a goverment. If they are reading the Word they should realize this."Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh,(Russia) Meshech, and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with, all of them with shield and helmet ...'Thus says the Lord God: "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: you will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls,