DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL

Davy · May 2, 2019

Doug said:
Hello

I gave this verse: Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

and you responded : Well yes, sorry to break it to you, The Gospel preached to Abraham IS THE SAME GOSPEL WE HAVE BELIEVED! It wasn't the act of preaching how the nations were to be blessed. It was by Abraham's example of BELIEVING BY FAITH on God's Salvation Promise which is HOW we are blessed in Abraham. Let me say that another way...

So scripture says the gospel was preached unto Abraham SAYING "In thee shall all nations be blessed"
but, you say this is not the gospel by saying "It wasn't the act of preaching how the nations were to be blessed."

I need not say more.

Why are you being obstinate about the Gospel that was preached to Abraham? Jesus said Abraham saw His day, and was glad (John 8). You pull out one verse from Galatians 3 and try to support your false dual-gospel theory, and completely look over what Paul was teaching there in Galatians 3...

Gal 3:7
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:9
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Davy · May 2, 2019

Doug said:
Hello

You said : E.W. Bullinger, an excellent British Bible scholar of the latter 1800's took Darby's earlier Dispensationalism and started the roots of the dual-gospel movement (I believe). Though Bullinger was an excellent Bible scholar of the Hebrew and Greek, he latched onto the pre-trib rapture doctrine which was popular in his day. Then other men later added their ideas to the movement, like J.B. Cole, O'Hair, Stam, etc

So are you saying you follow all of the teachings of those listed?

Did I say you were a weak useless wimp?

No, I didn't, did I? So why are you now trying to put YOUR thoughts into my mouth?

You have been rebuked for pushing a false gospel, another gospel that Apostle Paul did NOT preach. Just as there is not more than one Jesus Christ, nor is there more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ!

Davy · May 2, 2019

Doug said:
Hello
Once again;
I have supplied my verses to show the gospels preached by Jesus, Peter and Paul as per your guidelines.

So now, please supply your gospels from scripture that show Jesus, Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.

Well, actually, you never did supply Scripture proof for the double-gospel theory, because there isn't any.

One of the most popular Scriptures Hyper-Dispensationalists try to use is this...

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

KJV

That's not about TWO different Gospels. It's about two different 'apostleships' of the ONE Gospel. Paul was 'sent' to the Gentiles, and Peter was 'sent' to the Jews.

Yet strange how the Catholic Church claims Peter as the head of the Christian Church on earth? Do you know where that idea comes from? You should.

Enoch111 · May 2, 2019

Davy said:
Darby taught that the nation of Israel would be restored on earth during Christ's future thousand years reign while the Church was raptured to heaven and reigns from heaven with Jesus.

Had Darby never existed, this would be true according to Scripture. There are scores of Scriptures which reveal that the Lord will redeem and restore Israel -- Jacob, the twelve tribes, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- after His second coming.

ISAIAH 1
24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

AMOS 9
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

As to Hyper-Dispensationalism, Dispensationalists reject Bullingerism altogether.

Davy · May 2, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Had Darby never existed, this would be true according to Scripture. There are scores of Scriptures which reveal that the Lord will redeem and restore Israel -- Jacob, the twelve tribes, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- after His second coming.

That could never be true without the New Covenant, because Jesus' death and resurrection is required for it to happen, and that involves His Church! So can't have one without the other, which is what makes Darby's separate plans of salvation a false doctrine. The believing Gentiles inherit... with Abraham, is what Paul said, and Jesus said the unbelieving "children of the kingdom" will be cast to the outer darkness while the believing Gentiles will come in and dine with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Doug · May 2, 2019

Davy said:
Why are you being obstinate about the Gospel that was preached to Abraham? Jesus said Abraham saw His day, and was glad (John 8). You pull out one verse from Galatians 3 and try to support your false dual-gospel theory, and completely look over what Paul was teaching there in Galatians 3...

Gal 3:7
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:9
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Hello

I am being insistent that Galatians 3:8 demonstrates another gospel and you are adamant that there is only one gospel in all of scripture.

All the other verses in Galatians do not negate this and Paul's teachings are not the issue here.

Doug · May 2, 2019

Davy said:
Did I say you were a weak useless wimp?

No, I didn't, did I? So why are you now trying to put YOUR thoughts into my mouth?

You have been rebuked for pushing a false gospel, another gospel that Apostle Paul did NOT preach. Just as there is not more than one Jesus Christ, nor is there more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ!

Hello
Was all this directed at me... I do not understand?

Enoch111 · May 2, 2019

Davy said:
Darby's separate plans of salvation a false doctrine.

Darby did NOT have separate plans of salvation. Here is his commentary (synopsis) from Luke 24:47

"But now grace was to be preached-Jesus rejected by the Jews, slain and risen again for the salvation of souls, having made peace, and bestowing life according to the power of resurrection, the work which cleansed from sin being accomplished, and pardon already granted in thus bestowing it. Grace was to be preached among all nations, that is to say, repentance and pardon to sinners; beginning at that place, with which indeed the patient grace of God still owned a link, through the intercession of Jesus, but which could only be reached by sovereign grace, and in which sin the most aggravated rendered pardon the most necessary, by a testimony which, coming from heaven, must deal with Jerusalem as it dealt with all. They were to preach repentance and remission of sins to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

So now we have false accusations from you. And you continue to slander Darby and other sound Christians.

And since I mentioned "after the second coming of Christ," that automatically assumes the reality of His first coming and His perfect sacrifice. I showed you the Scriptures which clearly proclaim the redemption and restoration of Israel, so now you are duty bound to apologize to both myself, and Darby, and all Dispensationalists. It is you who is holding to false doctrine regarding eschatology.

Davy · May 3, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Darby did NOT have separate plans of salvation. Here is his commentary (synopsis) from Luke 24:47

"But now grace was to be preached-Jesus rejected by the Jews, slain and risen again for the salvation of souls, having made peace, and bestowing life according to the power of resurrection, the work which cleansed from sin being accomplished, and pardon already granted in thus bestowing it. Grace was to be preached among all nations, that is to say, repentance and pardon to sinners; beginning at that place, with which indeed the patient grace of God still owned a link, through the intercession of Jesus, but which could only be reached by sovereign grace, and in which sin the most aggravated rendered pardon the most necessary, by a testimony which, coming from heaven, must deal with Jerusalem as it dealt with all. They were to preach repentance and remission of sins to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

So now we have false accusations from you. And you continue to slander Darby and other sound Christians.

And since I mentioned "after the second coming of Christ," that automatically assumes the reality of His first coming and His perfect sacrifice. I showed you the Scriptures which clearly proclaim the redemption and restoration of Israel, so now you are duty bound to apologize to both myself, and Darby, and all Dispensationalists. It is you who is holding to false doctrine regarding eschatology.

Firstly, you miss-quoted me. If you're going to quote, get the whole sentence; don't chop it up.

Darby's Dispensationalism about Christ's future Kingdom is dependent upon the pre-trib rapture theory he got from the Edward Irving movement in 1830's Great Britain. His Dispensationalist ideas involve the theory that the nation of Israel is restored ON EARTH, while Christ's Church reigns FROM HEAVEN with Jesus. If you can't understand how that is a DOUBLE SALVATION THEORY then I feel sorry for you.

As for your quote of Darby's commentary, he was speaking of the time of Jesus' 1st coming, with The Gospel being required to be preached first to Jerusalem, and thereafter when the Jews rejected it, Jesus disciples were to take The Gospel to all... nations. That's what Darby was talking about there, NOT the millennial timing AFTER Jesus' return to reign for the "thousand years" of Rev.20.

So in reality, you falsely accuse me of something YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND from your reading of Darby's commentary!

CNKW3 · May 7, 2019

There is only one gospel. Peter and Paul taught the same gospel.
In the great commission Mk 16:15,16; Mt 28:18-20; Lk 24:46,47 we find the message that was to be preached. When you read the texts you will see the following to be preached
1. The gospel was to be preached to every creature
2. Christ suffered and was risen
3. Belief
4. Repentance
5. Baptism (in water)
6. Remission of sins
All in the name or by the authority of Christ
All of this also was to begin at Jerusalem (Lk 24:47) which we know was acts 2 on Pentecost.

- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing.
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
“The faith” is the gospel. It’s the one we are to contend for Jude 3.
There is only one “faith”. Eph 4:5 and its this faith Peter preached that Saul once persecuted that he now preaches. One and the same.

Everybody loves 1 Cor 15:1-4 but when you read on what does Paul say?
1 Corinthians 15:10-11 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
Paul just affirmed that whether it was Peter or me the gospel was preached and was believed.

Doug · May 8, 2019

CNKW3 said:
There is only one gospel. Peter and Paul taught the same gospel.
In the great commission Mk 16:15,16; Mt 28:18-20; Lk 24:46,47 we find the message that was to be preached. When you read the texts you will see the following to be preached
1. The gospel was to be preached to every creature
2. Christ suffered and was risen
3. Belief
4. Repentance
5. Baptism (in water)
6. Remission of sins
All in the name or by the authority of Christ
All of this also was to begin at Jerusalem (Lk 24:47) which we know was acts 2 on Pentecost.

- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing.
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
“The faith” is the gospel. It’s the one we are to contend for Jude 3.
There is only one “faith”. Eph 4:5 and its this faith Peter preached that Saul once persecuted that he now preaches. One and the same.

Everybody loves 1 Cor 15:1-4 but when you read on what does Paul say?
1 Corinthians 15:10-11 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
Paul just affirmed that whether it was Peter or me the gospel was preached and was believed.

Hello

You said .........."- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing."

Please show me a passage where Paul preached baptism for the remission of sins.

Davy · May 8, 2019

Doug said:
Hello

You said .........."- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing."

Please show me a passage where Paul preached baptism for the remission of sins.

Not only was Paul in the following preaching the remission of sins through redemption in Christ, he also showed that is for sin that are past, meaning sins up to that point of belief on Jesus Christ. We are still required to repent of future sins we may commit.

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

CNKW3 · May 8, 2019

Doug said:
Hello

You said .........."- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing."

Please show me a passage where Paul preached baptism for the remission of sins.

Did Paul preach baptism? Yes or no? An honest Bible student will have to answer yes.
Why did Paul preach baptism? Was it just some superfluous act that you may or may not have to do, only if you have time?
Paul describes why in Rom 6.
It is because we are baptized “into” Christ. Ro 6:3. One cannot be saved unless they are “in Christ”. One cannot be “in Christ” and still be in their sins. We are buried with him in baptism. We know this is not spiritual baptism just through the description. A burial? Being planted? Raising to walk in newness of life? All of these describe what takes place when one is lowered into and brought out of the water. Not only that but he concludes this context with this....
Romans 6:17-18 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What form of doctrine has he been talking about? Baptism. These people had obeyed the command to be baptized. (There is no command to be spirit baptized) These individuals in Rome had never come in contact with Paul so somebody else taught them this. Who was it? Had to be Peter on Pentecost because we are told that there were people from Rome in the audience.
After one obeys this form what happens? Being THEN MADE FREE FROM SIN. When one comes out of the waters of baptism their sins are washed away, remitted, made free from. They have a new life and are a new creature. Acts 22:16; 2:38; rom 6:17,18; 2 Cor 5:17

Paul preached baptism to everybody. It wasn’t just some church ordinance because he never preached the Lords supper as a part of a persons conversion. He preached it because it is at that point ones sins are removed. I could say more but this should be enough to an honest Bible student.

Doug · May 8, 2019

Davy said:
Not only was Paul in the following preaching the remission of sins through redemption in Christ, he also showed that is for sin that are past, meaning sins up to that point of belief on Jesus Christ. We are still required to repent of future sins we may commit.

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Hello
What was said by CNKW3 was "- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing."

I asked for scripture that showed Paul preached baptism for remission of sins NOT the " the remission of sins through redemption in Christ," that you posted for our consideration.

And by the way, you said "We are still required to repent of future sins we may commit."...this was covered in the next verse you cited.....Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Doug · May 8, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Did Paul preach baptism? Yes or no? An honest Bible student will have to answer yes.
Why did Paul preach baptism? Was it just some superfluous act that you may or may not have to do, only if you have time?
Paul describes why in Rom 6.
It is because we are baptized “into” Christ. Ro 6:3. One cannot be saved unless they are “in Christ”. One cannot be “in Christ” and still be in their sins. We are buried with him in baptism. We know this is not spiritual baptism just through the description. A burial? Being planted? Raising to walk in newness of life? All of these describe what takes place when one is lowered into and brought out of the water. Not only that but he concludes this context with this....
Romans 6:17-18 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What form of doctrine has he been talking about? Baptism. These people had obeyed the command to be baptized. (There is no command to be spirit baptized) These individuals in Rome had never come in contact with Paul so somebody else taught them this. Who was it? Had to be Peter on Pentecost because we are told that there were people from Rome in the audience.
After one obeys this form what happens? Being THEN MADE FREE FROM SIN. When one comes out of the waters of baptism their sins are washed away, remitted, made free from. They have a new life and are a new creature. Acts 22:16; 2:38; rom 6:17,18; 2 Cor 5:17

Paul preached baptism to everybody. It wasn’t just some church ordinance because he never preached the Lords supper as a part of a persons conversion. He preached it because it is at that point ones sins are removed. I could say more but this should be enough to an honest Bible student.

Hello
I am still unable to see a verse in all you cited where Paul commanded, or preached, or taught baptism for the remission of sin.

Peter preached it in Acts 2:38, shouldn't we be able to clearly read where Paul, if he preached the same as Peter, said it as well?

Davy · May 9, 2019

Doug said:
Hello
What was said by CNKW3 was "- Peter preached the death burial and resurrection, belief, repentance, and baptism for remission of sins.
- Paul obeyed this for his conversion and then preached the same thing."

I asked for scripture that showed Paul preached baptism for remission of sins NOT the " the remission of sins through redemption in Christ," that you posted for our consideration.

You're trying to create a false condition that does not exist. The preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ includes the idea of baptism, whether baptism by The Spirit or by water.

Acts 19:2-5
2 He said unto them,' Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?' And they said unto him, 'We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.'

3 And he said unto them, 'Unto what then were ye baptized?' And they said, 'Unto John's baptism.'

4 Then said Paul, 'John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him Which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.'

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
KJV

And by the way, you said "We are still required to repent of future sins we may commit."...this was covered in the next verse you cited.....Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

No, you're trying to ADD to the Scripture something that is not there.

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That declared righteousness is about Christ's Righteousness, obviously by what He did on the cross.

The "remission of sins that are past" is about the sins we committed PRIOR to believing on Jesus Christ and being baptized. We are still... required to repent of future sin we may commit.

This is also one of the false doctrines your Hyper-Dispensationalism (or Grace Movement) system pushes, i.e., the 'once saved always saved' doctrine of men. It doesn't believe in doing repentance of sin anymore, since it teaches that once one believes on Jesus, then Jesus' Blood on the cross forgave all sin that the believer ever did, or will do! Of course that is a LIE of devils. Matthew 25 shows He will close the door on the five foolish virgins at His return, which all ten virgins represent believers on Him. And per Matthew 7, those who did many wonderful works in His name He will tell to get away from Him when He returns, because they also worked iniquity.

If Jesus didn't mean for us to repent of future sin, He would not... have included repentance in the prayer He gave His Church to say ...

Luke 11:2-4
2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, 'Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV

The doctrine of devils you're pushing tries to create a condition in the believer that ALLOWS one to sin, and do so abundantly! The believer that never checks their self for sin will not pay attention to when they sin. And because they no longer believe repentance to Jesus is necessary, their slate is not wiped clean, blockading the bridge between them and our Lord Jesus towards 'justifying' the believer. You want to be 'justified' in Christ Jesus by believing on Him, then remember to repent to Him of future sin you may commit. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself and trying to be your own savior.

This is what Apostle John was teaching in 1 John 1...

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

John did not write that for non-believers on Christ.

CNKW3 · May 9, 2019

Doug said:
Hello
I am still unable to see a verse in all you cited where Paul commanded, or preached, or taught baptism for the remission of sin.

Peter preached it in Acts 2:38, shouldn't we be able to clearly read where Paul, if he preached the same as Peter, said it as well?

Like I said. I presented plenty of evidence that an honest Bible student could understand. Only those who are married to their own doctrine will fight it, because if you accept the plain teaching of Rom 6 you would have to admit you’ve been mislead.
Answer these 2 questions
1 did Paul preach baptism?
2. Why?
Please use the Bible to support. I’m not looking for opinion.

Doug · May 9, 2019

Davy said:
You're trying to create a false condition that does not exist. The preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ includes the idea of baptism, whether baptism by The Spirit or by water.

Acts 19:2-5
2 He said unto them,' Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?' And they said unto him, 'We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.'

3 And he said unto them, 'Unto what then were ye baptized?' And they said, 'Unto John's baptism.'

4 Then said Paul, 'John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him Which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.'

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
KJV

No, you're trying to ADD to the Scripture something that is not there.

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That declared righteousness is about Christ's Righteousness, obviously by what He did on the cross.

The "remission of sins that are past" is about the sins we committed PRIOR to believing on Jesus Christ and being baptized.
The preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ includes the idea of baptism, whether baptism by The Spirit or by water.

This is also one of the false doctrines your Hyper-Dispensationalism (or Grace Movement) system pushes, i.e., the 'once saved always saved' doctrine of men. It doesn't believe in doing repentance of sin anymore, since it teaches that once one believes on Jesus, then Jesus' Blood on the cross forgave all sin that the believer ever did, or will do! Of course that is a LIE of devils. Matthew 25 shows He will close the door on the five foolish virgins at His return, which all ten virgins represent believers on Him. And per Matthew 7, those who did many wonderful works in His name He will tell to get away from Him when He returns, because they also worked iniquity.

If Jesus didn't mean for us to repent of future sin, He would not... have included repentance in the prayer He gave His Church to say ...

Luke 11:2-4
2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, 'Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV

The doctrine of devils you're pushing tries to create a condition in the believer that ALLOWS one to sin, and do so abundantly! The believer that never checks their self for sin will not pay attention to when they sin. And because they no longer believe repentance to Jesus is necessary, their slate is not wiped clean, blockading the bridge between them and our Lord Jesus towards 'justifying' the believer. You want to be 'justified' in Christ Jesus by believing on Him, then remember to repent to Him of future sin you may commit. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself and trying to be your own savior.

This is what Apostle John was teaching in 1 John 1...

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

John did not write that for non-believers on Christ.

Hello again

You said......"The preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ includes the idea of baptism, whether baptism by The Spirit or by water
Then you cited Acts 19:2-5 ......This passage of scripture is unrelated to anything Paul teaches. These passages pertain to disciples of John.

You said......"The "remission of sins that are past" is about the sins we committed PRIOR to believing on Jesus Christ and being baptized."
What I perceive is that you are saying Jesus only paid for past sins up to repentance and believing on Christ and baptism...after that it is up to us.
Jesus paid for all our sin...nobody, including me could be righteous enough to ever be saved...we need a savior....Jesus paid our salvation in full and gives us his righteousness.
We are to live for him...we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and live for him and repent when we fail...we will all have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give account. We do not preach we can sin.....others may...but please listen to me....should we sin.... God Forbid!(Romans 6:15)...grace teaches us to live Godly!!!!
Please tell me what you think.

Doug · May 9, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Like I said. I presented plenty of evidence that an honest Bible student could understand. Only those who are married to their own doctrine will fight it, because if you accept the plain teaching of Rom 6 you would have to admit you’ve been mislead.
Answer these 2 questions
1 did Paul preach baptism?
2. Why?
Please use the Bible to support. I’m not looking for opinion.

Hello
So I can assume you do not have any scripture where Paul preached baptism for remission of sin.....I don't know of any either.

CNKW3 · May 10, 2019

Doug said:
Hello
So I can assume you do not have any scripture where Paul preached baptism for remission of sin.....I don't know of any either.

Why won’t people on this board answer simple questions? I asked two simple questions but you don’t care. Are you afraid of them? Why are you on a bible discussion forum? You obviously don’t want to discuss the Bible.

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