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You continue to make that slanderous claim that we are the ones rejecting Jesus words but you have not proven that with scriptures. What scripture are we rejecting?
You are the one rejecting a literal interpretation of Jesus words, believing them to be symbolic instead.
I've posted Jesus' description of the kingdom several times but you prefer the Pharisaical version instead.
Still you can't seem to post Any scriptural proof for your slander probably because it's actually You who is the one denying the prophecy of that Christ shall reign from Jerusalem in His millennial Kingdom on earth after His second coming.
After the rapture of the church, then will be the 7yr tribulation, then the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ , and then the Lord Jesus will reign in His Kingdom for one thousand years as it says in Revelation 20 1-10
Revelation 20:1-3
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time."
Prove from direct quotes of scripture the pre-trib rapture; the 7 year tribulation; that Satan wasn't bound by the gospel when Jesus began preaching it. “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Matthew 12:28)
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I deny that Christ will return and physically roll the earth. For 1000 years, or a second.
And I happily deny the bible says it. And I betcha you can't find it in there either!
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Actually, the bible says the CHURCH has. And considering you claim the bible as your "book" too, you should probably take a look at that, wouldn't you say?
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. -Romans 9:6–8
You see this...this tells us that not 'blood' Israel are Israel. In other words....you don't get to claim 'Israel' as a title just because you've got the blood in your veins. It's the 'children of the promise' who are the ones who can do that. And who are these 'children of promise'? Don't take my word for it...
And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:29
Oh look! Those who belong to Jesus are 'heirs to the promise'! How about that! That would be the Church, yeah? And that makes us "spiritual Israel". Niffy, right? But...what does that mean for the 'children of blood'...?
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. -Romans 11:17–18
Those in unbelief are broken off. There you have it. We, in Christ, are grafted in and become 'children of promise', spiritual Israel, and those who do not believe in Messiah are broken off. Now...you can call it "replacement theology" all you want, but that's what the bible says. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you get praying for all those Jews Rom 11 say can be grafted back in IF they come to Christ.
Are you talking about Catholics, or Amillennials now? Or in your mind have you just smooshed us together? I mean, why not...it's not like you've ever spent any effort portraying us in an accurate light before...
Uhuh...but you better keep that to yourself.
Oh, please! No one thinks anything of the like! The ONLY person ruling and reigning in the MK; is Christ.
You seem to be suddenly fixated on this Amillennial is Catholicsm thing, which is nonsensical.
One could also say that because Hitler was German, and so was Martin Luther, then Luther can't be trusted! In fact...he was a Jew hater! Eh gads! Ipso facto he also must have been an Amillennialist, and ALSO a Catholic, so maybe the Reformation NEVER happened!
There you have it: Amillennialists caused the holocaust.
Stuff like this doesn't "become". It's written that way. And if it IS written that way, then the 'literal' way to read it, is how it was written. So, in point of fact, if a book is written in an apocolyptic genre, and you come along and insist on interpreting symbols "literally"...you've just blown your "take the bible literally" hermenuetic out of the water. *thumbs up*
Ah...I suppose this would be the equivilent to "Dispensationalism started with Darby". And what's the usual reply: "no!" or "it's found in the bible!"
So...pretend I'm saying those things to you.
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I think you missed the obvious there. You said that Christ would: " physically roll the earth".
While that might be something to see, and no doubt he could do it if he chose to, I still feel safe saying the bible doesn't mention him "rolling" the earth at any point.
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Okay then...tell me...what do those verses say? What are they telling us? And by "us", I mean the Church?
What do Rom 9:6-8; Gal 3:29 and Rom 11:17-18 imply? Please tell me....because I'm fascinated by what you could possibly think they might be saying...
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I came to the same conclusion which brought me out of premillennialism many years ago. It's simply not true that Jesus will reign for a thousand years or that his kingdom will last for a thousand years, the Scripture says he will reign forever and of his kingdom there will be no end. So the whole idea that Jesus' kingdom is a temporal kingdom that will last a thousand years and then be destroyed is just not true. What the Scripture says will last a thousand years is how long those who take part in the first resurrection will reign with Christ. After that period ends and the earth is destroyed, in the new heavens and earth no one will reign over anyone else but all will be equal before God and His Christ.
And I believe the Scripture uses the "thousand" years in the same way it says God owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills, not as a measurement or limit, but to suggest a very large number or long time without being specific, just as he was not specific enough for anyone to know when the time had arrived for the first coming of Jesus.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Jesus said it in Mat. 21[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you [Jews] and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Then Peter confirmed it:
1 Peter 2[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light
And Paul described the members of that nation:
Rom. 8[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Therefore, we can safely conclude that nation in which the KoG exists, are the members of all Born Again Christians, aka the Universal church of God, who are located in every church gathering, that professes Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God, the only Savior of the world.
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1. So then, you are saying that when Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire, some who had taken the MoB will escape and live on in their flesh and blood bodies, into "The Millennnium" of your creation.
Did you forget the verse about "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the KoG?
2. See my reply to #1. Jesus's return is not going to be a "SECRET Rapture".
3. "The first resurrection" was Jesus. Are you not NOW "a partaker of the divine nature"? I surely do hope that you are a " partaker", otherwise you are "none of His", and therefore have missed recieving the Holy Spirit, which imparts His "Peace that passes all understanding". You shall not be resurrected/changed into His likeness of immortality on that day.
3. Do you not know "that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption".
Question: for all those of whom shall be flesh and blood, in your "Millennium", what's the point of it all since NO ONE will be able to convert?
Since the time of "the first resurrection" will have been long past, HOW shall those living in your "Millennium" be changed into immortality?
Ans. THEY CAN'T!!
You hold to a false and vain belief!
Pilgrimer
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I am Amillennial and that is absolutely not true. I believe in a millennial kingdom that will rule over the earth, and I believe in the rapture. I also believe in Biblical literalism, but not exclusive literalism because I also believe in Biblical spiritualism. And I most certainly believe in the tribulation period, but I believe this period (also called the "time of Jacob's trouble") was the 7-year Roman/Jewish war that quite literally brought the Jewish state and the whole Mosaic economy to a firey and bloody end, precisely the way it was foretold not just in the Revelation, but throughout the Law and the Prophets.
So what you said is entirely false and misleading. It would be honest and fair to say that Amillennialists believe the kingdom of Jesus Christ, the rapture, Biblical literalism, and the tribulation means something different than what premillennialists believe they mean.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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