What does "faith" mean to you?

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Lunar

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The concept of "faith" is obviously central to any Christian worldview. However, I see Christians of all sorts who are clearly using the word in different ways. It has become a little difficult to tell what meaning they are actually ascribing to it. So, I am posting this question for the purpose of clarification.When Christians speak of faith, do they mean- Believing in God- Believing in God in spite of not being able to see him- Believing in God in spite of not being able to prove or provide evidence for him- Trusting in God- Trusting in God in spite of not being able to see him or prove him- Living in a certain way- Other?I would appreciate if responses were straightforward rather than poetic. Bible verses are probably not helpful, as the ambiguity of the use in the bible seems to be the very source of confusion.
 

Shornaal

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If they were to answer that they were to give away the only weapon against logic they have, so don't expect an answer.
 

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To me faith is believing and trusting that God knows what's best; even when we don't understand what's happening;especially when we don't understand what's happening.Faith is trusting that God will work things out for us,but not necessarily the way we think He will or should.Faith is simply trusting God; no matter what!
 

Alpha and Omega

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Faith is not just central to the Christian way of thinking but to everyone. The very definition of "faith" is belief without proof. You yourself have previously declared you believe there is no God even though you have no proof there is no God. Hence you have confirmed your belief is - faith based - and not by proof.
 

Shornaal

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I'm not having faith God doesn't exist, so far all evidence that has been presented to me points to him not existing. If I were to be given proof of his existance he would have my worship but so far I've seen none.As far as your faith, either confess there is no proof of God's existance or accept that you are faithless as you cannot have faith if there is proof.
 

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I'm not having faith God doesn't exist, so far all evidence that has been presented to me points to him not existing.
So you are saying there is no evidence of God then right? How can there be evidence proving that he does not exist exactly? Unless one has seen every nook and cranny of the universe there will never be proof that God does not exist.(Shornaal;57449)
If I were to be given proof of his existance he would have my worship but so far I've seen none.
Exactly, you have seen no proof. Therefore you have faith there is no God. The very definition of faith thank you. I have no idea why Atheists have such difficulty accepting this very obvious fact. After all about 99.999% of what ANYbody believes is not by direct experience but by what they have been told EVERYBODY has many faith beliefs. What you have not directly experienced, but accept by the word of another you accept by FAITH in the word of that other.(Shornaal;57449)
As far as your faith, either confess there is no proof of God's existance or accept that you are faithless as you cannot have faith if there is proof.
I hope I answer that above.
 

Lunar

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I have no idea why Atheists have such difficulty accepting this very obvious fact. After all about 99.999% of what ANYbody believes is not by direct experience but by what they have been told EVERYBODY has many faith beliefs. What you have not directly experienced, but accept by the word of another you accept by FAITH in the word of that other.
I've had this discussion a hundred times now. If you want, I can make it a hundred and one, but not in this thread.I was simply asking a question, not starting a debate. Please don't derail the thread. If you are in the mood to discuss whether atheism involves faith, then I invite you to start another thread for it.
 

Shornaal

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You are right about one thing Alpha and Omega, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, we actually don't have any proof he doesn't exist but we still have disproven many of the claims that he does.But when using the scientific method to prove something you start with assuming something doesn't exist and then proceed to gather evidence to prove it exists. If it were the opposite we'd be busy disproving fairies, goblins and all manner of mythical creatures, so if you want to prove God's existance the burden lies with you.I'm not triyng to ridicule your beliefs as I'm very much interested in christianity (specifically gothic architecture in european churches) but without proof I'm having a hard time believing in God.(Damn seems I'm derailing another one of Lunar's topics, sorry!
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treeoflife

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For the Chrsitian, faith is believing in God's promises, and acting in response to those promises by doing what He has told us to do."Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works."Without works, faith is dead.
 

Alpha and Omega

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I was just simply stating that Atheism is a religion that tries to convert people just like any other religion does. According to the definition of faith that is.
 

Lunar

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I was just simply stating that Atheism is a religion that tries to convert people just like any other religion does.
Well, I don't agree at all, but that is neither here nor there.Seems we have a pretty diverse set of responses thus far.- One vote for trusting in God even if we don't understand his plans- One vote for believing in God in spite of lack of proof- One vote for believing in God and acting according to his will
 

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You want us to explain what faith is, however you don't want us to use Gods word. Gods word is God, therefore we must us scriptures to tell you what faith is.Hebrews 11:1 'Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.' Faith says I have it now! Faith keeps saying I have it now, until it manifest in the natural. Daniel 10: For 21 days daniel prayed to God for an answer to his prayer. Verse 12 says that an angel came to daniel and told him that FROM THE FIRST DAY THAT YOU SET YOUR HEART ON UNDERSTANDING AND ON HUMBLING YOURSELF BEFORE YOUR GOD, YOUR PRAYER WAS HEARD, AND I HAVE COME IN RESPONSE TO YOUR PRAYER. BUT THE PRINCE OF THE KINGDOM OF PERSIA (A DEMONIC SPIRIT) WAS WITHSTANDING ME FOR 21DAYS. (Humm, imagine that the devil sent demonic spirits to stop our prayers from getting answered. This is why we need the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So, we will have authority over satan and all his power. And we can pray in the spirit with the power of the Holy Spirit, a prayer that satan can not interferr with. -evidence of speaking in tongues) When you pray (in line with Gods word) then you know you have it. Don't let the devil tell you otherwise. The righteous shall live by FAITH. Walk by faith and not by sight.When you've done all that you know to do, stand fast to your confession of hope. Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised. (the answer to your prayer)Jesus said you can have whatever it is you say,(pray) if you believe what it is your saying. Mark 11:23-24 "Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but BELIEVES that what he says is going to happen (in the natural), it shall be granted him. (Because it's already happened in the spiritual) However, that is not limited to Gods word. If the Doctors said you have cancer, you have the choice to believe them or believe Gods word, which says by the stripes of Jesus you were healed. WERE HEALED, past tense. Meaning it's already been done for you,(in the spiritual) now you just have to accept it (in the natural) by FAITH. This is were most peopel go wrong. It doesn't matter what you FEEL like, what it LOOKS like, or how many times the Doc tells you. Either one requires faith either in God, for healing, or satan because you believed his lies.I've heard so many times that so called STRONG CHRISTIANS with GREAT FAITH. Has follow God their whole life, and then they die of cancer, or whatever. God is NOT a lier, folks, WAKEUP!!!!! I can devote every moment of my time to studing Gods word, telling people about Jesus, and setting the perfect example of how a TRUE STRONG CHRISTIAN should live their life. Then die of some disease. BECAUSE WORKS WITHOUT FAITH IS DEAD!!!
 

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By the way reguardless of weather you have faith in God or even believe that God exists for that matter. That doesn't change the fact that God still loves you. You are the one that has to make Him real in your life.God loves us so much, He gave us His son, Jesus. And out of great gratitude, we rejected Him, mocked Him, and refused to accept Gods gift to us. So, what did God do? He allowed us to murder His only son. And why? Simply because HE LOVES YOU. God knows the begining from the end. He has seen everything. he knows who will make it to heaven, who will never know Him, who will turn their backs on Him, and who will hold fast to Him. God knows everything you've ever done or will do, evey thought you have had or will have, and every intention of your heart. And guess what? HE STILL LOVES YOU. HE STILL GAVE YOU JESUS. Jesus is just waiting for YOU to make Him real in your life. What a wonderful thought, He has been waiting for you all this time, and will not stop waiting, He will be there the moment you realize you need Him. And there will come a time when you need Him, my friend. And what a testimony you will have. You are so blessed, I just pray that you can see that. That you can see how precious you are to Jesus.
 

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(Damn seems I'm derailing another one of Lunar's topics, sorry!
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This harshness is why I can't seem to get too interested in this forum. No offense to anyone; just my opinion.
 

Lunar

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Well, that was (unsurprisingly) kind of confusing, Sasha, but what I'm getting from it is this: Faith is believing that God can and will work miracles, and people that die of cancer deserved it because they should have had more faith?
 

Alpha and Omega

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I always find it odd when people put blame on God when others die from disease.If you would like to know why people die from cancer I suggest you read a couple of booksNatural Cures they don't want you to know about - Kevin Trudeau The Secret history of the War on Cancer - Devra DavisMy friend there is a cure for every disease that plagues this world. The reason that the mainstream does not know about this is because of money. Greed plays a huge part in why these things are kept secret. So next time please do not blame God when it is mans fault.
 

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Well, that was (unsurprisingly) kind of confusing, Sasha, but what I'm getting from it is this: Faith is believing that God can and will work miracles, and people that die of cancer deserved it because they should have had more faith?
Deserved it? You woud think that, most poeple do. I guess you believe that God simply chooses NOT to heal sometimes? For the greater good of course!? You believe that cousin Tammy got saved because Grandpa Jake died of cancer, but, he was claiming healing the whole way? No No No.....God takes what the devil means as evil and turns it for good. You'll never find in the Bible where Jesus turned someone away, and refused to heal them. MY Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and 4ever! EVERYTIME Jesus healed someone, what did he say? 'BE IT UNTO YOU ACCORDING............' to what? 'ACCORDING TO YOUR FAITH' 'YOUR FAITH HAS MADE YOU WHOLE' Mark 6:4-6 '.......And HE COULD DO NO MIRACLES THERE, except that He laid His hands upon a FEW sick peole and healed them. And He wondered at THEIR UNBELIEF. He could do no miracles because of their lack of faith. ('Be it unto you according to your faith' remember?) A second witness to that event is in Matthew 13:57-58 'And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, 'A prophet is not without honor except in his home town and in his own household. And He DID NOT DO MANY MIRACLES THERE BECAUSE...................(now get this) OF THEIR UNBELIEF. Jesus was given 39 lashes. Did you know that every sickness and illness is traced back to 39 diseases? So, Jesus covered that the day He was crusified. Matthew 8:17 'HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES, AND CARRIED AWAY OUR DISEASES." Isaiah 53:5 'But He was pierced through for wor transgressions, (sin) he was crushed for our iniquities (short comings, we all make mistakes) The chastening for our well-being fell unpon Him, and by His scourging (39 lashes) we are healed. (physicaly) Just like we receive Jesus as Lord and Savior by FAITH, we have to receive healing by FAITH. Jesus did much more then take our sins on the cross. He took away every sickness and disease also.
 

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However, that is not limited to Gods word. If the Doctors said you have cancer, you have the choice to believe them or believe Gods word, which says by the stripes of Jesus you were healed. WERE HEALED, past tense. Meaning it's already been done for you,(in the spiritual) now you just have to accept it (in the natural) by FAITH. This is were most peopel go wrong. It doesn't matter what you FEEL like, what it LOOKS like, or how many times the Doc tells you. Either one requires faith either in God, for healing, or satan because you believed his lies.I've heard so many times that so called STRONG CHRISTIANS with GREAT FAITH. Has follow God their whole life, and then they die of cancer, or whatever. God is NOT a lier, folks, WAKEUP!!!!! I can devote every moment of my time to studing Gods word, telling people about Jesus, and setting the perfect example of how a TRUE STRONG CHRISTIAN should live their life. Then die of some disease. BECAUSE WORKS WITHOUT FAITH IS DEAD!!!
I find this incredibly offensive. You are saying that, of all the Christians who become sick from disease or who die, their only problem is that they "didn't have enough faith." Cancer? Not enough faith. Parkinson's? Not enough faith. Alzheimer's? Not enough faith. AIDS? Not enough faith.By saying something like this, all you do is increase the suffering that good Christians go through in times of need. You're saying that every problem can be solved if we just have "enough faith," and thus you take all responsibility off God and put it squarely on their shoulders, like they can somehow heal themselves. How would you feel if you contracted a fatal disease, and while lying on your death bed hoping, praying against all hope that God would heal you, someone comes in and says, "Oh, well here's your problem. Just have more faith." What a slap in the face from someone who calls themselves a Christian! I know many good Christian men and women who have been diagnosed with cancer, and until the day they died they fully believed that God would heal them. My own uncle was a pastor - one of the godliest men I ever knew - and when people came in to pray for him, he would start praying for them instead. He fully expected to be healed. But he was not.You can say all you want about others' amount of faith, but you obviously have no idea what their heart is truly like. To say that all matters of death and disease comes down to faith is to white-wash the problem, not to mention that God's will must necessarily be more complex than that. People have to die sometime...
 

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I find this incredibly offensive. You are saying that, of all the Christians who become sick from disease or who die, their only problem is that they "didn't have enough faith." Cancer? Not enough faith. Parkinson's? Not enough faith. Alzheimer's? Not enough faith. AIDS? Not enough faith.By saying something like this, all you do is increase the suffering that good Christians go through in times of need. You're saying that every problem can be solved if we just have "enough faith," and thus you take all responsibility off God and put it squarely on their shoulders, like they can somehow heal themselves. How would you feel if you contracted a fatal disease, and while lying on your death bed hoping, praying against all hope that God would heal you, someone comes in and says, "Oh, well here's your problem. Just have more faith." What a slap in the face from someone who calls themselves a Christian! I know many good Christian men and women who have been diagnosed with cancer, and until the day they died they fully believed that God would heal them. My own uncle was a pastor - one of the godliest men I ever knew - and when people came in to pray for him, he would start praying for them instead. He fully expected to be healed. But he was not.You can say all you want about others' amount of faith, but you obviously have no idea what their heart is truly like. To say that all matters of death and disease comes down to faith is to white-wash the problem, not to mention that God's will must necessarily be more complex than that. People have to die sometime...
Perhaps Jesus was cruicified because He didn't have enough faith, and also perhaps Paul had a thorn in his flesh because He didn't have enough faith... and perhaps Job also suffered great illness and other affliction, because he didn't have enough faith as well.I think you're right to be offended Jeff. Job was offended when this accusation came against him. His friends told him... this must be happening because there isn't enough faith in your life... you must be in sin... there must be something you have done wrong. Job's friends were wrong, and in all of Job's suffering, he did not sin. Eventually, Job was restored after a great deal of suffering... and eventually Job obviously died of something (he isn't still alive walking around on Earth). God knows.
Luke 13:1-5There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.​