jeffhughes;57574]I find this incredibly offensive. You are saying that said:DID NOT ACCEPT THEIR RELEASE[/b]. What is their/our release? THE PROMISES OF GOD. PROMISES OF PROTECTION, & OF HEALING, FAITH IN GOD.they fully believed that God would heal them. HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY BELIEVE? GOD SEES THE HEART! My own uncle was a pastor - one of the godliest men I ever knew - and when people came in to pray for him, he would start praying for them instead. He fully expected to be healed. But he was not.ACCORDING TO YOU THEN, GOD IS A LIER!!! DID ANYONE CAST OUT THE DEMONIC SPIRIT THAT WAS ATTACING YOUR UNCLE? DID ANYONE COMMAND YOUR UNCLES BODY TO BE HEALED IN THE NAME OF JESUS? Or did they ask 'Jesus if it is your will, would you please heal my uncle?' OF COURSE IT'S GODS WILL, THAT IS WHY JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS. You can say all you want about others' amount of faith, but you obviously have no idea what their heart is truly like.BUT YOU DO!?To say that all matters of death and disease comes down to faith is to white-wash the problem, not to mention that God's will must necessarily be more complex than that.So, Gods will was that your uncle die? (other then just old age) MY God comes to give LIFE and give it more abundantly.'People have to die sometime...(yes of old age, not in pain and suffering)
What does "faith" mean to you?
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Perhaps Jesus was cruicified because He didn't have enough faith, and also perhaps Paul had a thorn in his flesh because He didn't have enough faith...(IT WAS A MESSENGER FROM SATAN TO BUFFET HIM) God said my grace is sufficent for you. Meaning you have the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN YOU, YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE THORN IN YOUR FLESH. God has given us dominion over the earth. (everything in the natural) and authority over satan and all his powers (demons) In the name of Jesus. and perhaps Job also suffered great illness and other affliction, because he didn't have enough faith as well.Hummm, good question, I know very little about Job. Could be.I think you're right to be offended Jeff. Job was offended when this accusation came against him. His friends told him... this must be happening because there isn't enough faith in your life... you must be in sin... there must be something you have done wrong. Job's friends were wrong, and in all of Job's suffering, he did not sin. Eventually, Job was restored after a great deal of suffering... Umm, excuse me, but isn't fear a sin? Fear is not trusting God. Job said the one thing that I fear has come upon me. Job was a righteous man, not a perfect man. and eventually Job obviously died of something (he isn't still alive walking around on Earth). God knows.The wages of sin is death.
Perhaps Jesus was cruicified because He didn't have enough faith, and also perhaps Paul had a thorn in his flesh because He didn't have enough faith...(IT WAS A MESSENGER FROM SATAN TO BUFFET HIM) God said my grace is sufficent for you. Meaning you have the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN YOU, YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE THORN IN YOUR FLESH. God has given us dominion over the earth. (everything in the natural) and authority over satan and all his powers (demons) In the name of Jesus. and perhaps Job also suffered great illness and other affliction, because he didn't have enough faith as well.Hummm, good question, I know very little about Job. Could be.I think you're right to be offended Jeff. Job was offended when this accusation came against him. His friends told him... this must be happening because there isn't enough faith in your life... you must be in sin... there must be something you have done wrong. Job's friends were wrong, and in all of Job's suffering, he did not sin. Eventually, Job was restored after a great deal of suffering... Umm, excuse me, but isn't fear a sin? Fear is not trusting God. Job said the one thing that I fear has come upon me. Job was a righteous man, not a perfect man. and eventually Job obviously died of something (he isn't still alive walking around on Earth). God knows.The wages of sin is death.
Luke 13:1-5There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Again I must go to Hebrews 11:35,39 and others being tortured..........NOT RECEIVING THEIR RELEASE.' 'did not receive waht was promised,' (deliverecne from the hand of the enimy, protection from God.'(Alpha and Omega;57569)
Natural Cures they don't want you to know about - Kevin Trudeau
This book is a complete joke. It goes so far as to cite dianetics (the practices of Scientology) as a cure for mental disorders. Some of them are scientifically ridiculous, and others (like eating less and exercising more) are completely obvious. Apparently the book itself contains almost no cures whatsoever, and in order to actually see them, you will be redirected to his (paid subscription) website to find - $9.95 a month or $499 lifetime subscription for access to his pet psuedoscience. Very unimpressive.Kevin Trudeau is a hack and a liar and the fact that you take him seriously casts major doubts on the credibility of anything else you say.(Alpha and Omega)
My friend there is a cure for every disease that plagues this world. The reason that the mainstream does not know about this is because of money.
This is incorrect. There are many diseases and disorders with no known cure, many of which jeffhughes listed in his post.(Alpha and Omega)
So next time please do not blame God when it is mans fault.
Actually, I was restating Sasha's opinion, not my own.Sasha: Your posts are very difficult to read because of your use of all-caps and neglect of the "
Natural Cures they don't want you to know about - Kevin Trudeau
This book is a complete joke. It goes so far as to cite dianetics (the practices of Scientology) as a cure for mental disorders. Some of them are scientifically ridiculous, and others (like eating less and exercising more) are completely obvious. Apparently the book itself contains almost no cures whatsoever, and in order to actually see them, you will be redirected to his (paid subscription) website to find - $9.95 a month or $499 lifetime subscription for access to his pet psuedoscience. Very unimpressive.Kevin Trudeau is a hack and a liar and the fact that you take him seriously casts major doubts on the credibility of anything else you say.(Alpha and Omega)
My friend there is a cure for every disease that plagues this world. The reason that the mainstream does not know about this is because of money.
This is incorrect. There are many diseases and disorders with no known cure, many of which jeffhughes listed in his post.(Alpha and Omega)
So next time please do not blame God when it is mans fault.
Actually, I was restating Sasha's opinion, not my own.Sasha: Your posts are very difficult to read because of your use of all-caps and neglect of the "
(Shornaal;57597)
If God was all powerful he could stop Satan.If he doesn't want to he's just as evil as Satan.
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
If God was all powerful he could stop Satan.If he doesn't want to he's just as evil as Satan.
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
(thesuperjag;57600)
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
What's the point of free will if he punishes us if we doesn't do what he wants us to do?
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
What's the point of free will if he punishes us if we doesn't do what he wants us to do?
(Shornaal;57606)
(thesuperjag;57600)
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
What's the point of free will if he punishes us if we doesn't do what he wants us to do?What is the point of Love then if He wanted us to be like robots? (A mindless slave)
(thesuperjag;57600)
Then what is the point of free will? And no, there is no atom of evil in Him.
What's the point of free will if he punishes us if we doesn't do what he wants us to do?What is the point of Love then if He wanted us to be like robots? (A mindless slave)
(Lunar;57598)
This book is a complete joke. It goes so far as to cite dianetics (the practices of Scientology) as a cure for mental disorders. Some of them are scientifically ridiculous, and others (like eating less and exercising more) are completely obvious. Apparently the book itself contains almost no cures whatsoever, and in order to actually see them, you will be redirected to his (paid subscription) website to find - $9.95 a month or $499 lifetime subscription for access to his pet psuedoscience. Very unimpressive.Kevin Trudeau is a hack and a liar and the fact that you take him seriously casts major doubts on the credibility of anything else you say.
I never really thought that you took anything I said with much credibility. But just so you know that the book is not all hullabaloo consider me for example. I have lost 60 pounds because I read his book and not gained any back. Because I read a book! I know he is some sort of a scam artist but there is a lot of truth to what he says. He isn't a liar by a long shot. The truth is ridiculed before it is accepted.
This book is a complete joke. It goes so far as to cite dianetics (the practices of Scientology) as a cure for mental disorders. Some of them are scientifically ridiculous, and others (like eating less and exercising more) are completely obvious. Apparently the book itself contains almost no cures whatsoever, and in order to actually see them, you will be redirected to his (paid subscription) website to find - $9.95 a month or $499 lifetime subscription for access to his pet psuedoscience. Very unimpressive.Kevin Trudeau is a hack and a liar and the fact that you take him seriously casts major doubts on the credibility of anything else you say.
I never really thought that you took anything I said with much credibility. But just so you know that the book is not all hullabaloo consider me for example. I have lost 60 pounds because I read his book and not gained any back. Because I read a book! I know he is some sort of a scam artist but there is a lot of truth to what he says. He isn't a liar by a long shot. The truth is ridiculed before it is accepted.
(Alpha and Omega)
I never really thought that you took anything I said with much credibility.
Just as with everyone else, I take what you say with as much credibility as it merits.(Alpha and Omega;57615)
But just so you know that the book is not all hullabaloo consider me for example. I have lost 60 pounds because I read his book and not gained any back. Because I read a book! I know he is some sort of a scam artist but there is a lot of truth to what he says. He isn't a liar by a long shot. The truth is ridiculed before it is accepted.
Kevin Trudeau may have included some common-sense advice like "eat less and exercise more" to make the rest of his information look more credible, but to say that there are no diseases or disabilities without a known cure is just falsehood, plain and simple.
I never really thought that you took anything I said with much credibility.
Just as with everyone else, I take what you say with as much credibility as it merits.(Alpha and Omega;57615)
But just so you know that the book is not all hullabaloo consider me for example. I have lost 60 pounds because I read his book and not gained any back. Because I read a book! I know he is some sort of a scam artist but there is a lot of truth to what he says. He isn't a liar by a long shot. The truth is ridiculed before it is accepted.
Kevin Trudeau may have included some common-sense advice like "eat less and exercise more" to make the rest of his information look more credible, but to say that there are no diseases or disabilities without a known cure is just falsehood, plain and simple.
Sasha: Your posts are very difficult to read because of your use of all-caps and neglect of the "
" function. Please take the time to make your posts more readable.
Thanks for input, I'll try to remember.
By the way, I was saying NEVER blame God, when things go bad. God does not punish us if we chose to do wrong. We (by choices we make) steep out from under Gods protection. We open the door for satan to attact us because we chose to be deobedient to God. You can not force someone to love you. That is the reason God gave us free will, He wants us to make the chioce to love Him, to seek Him & He wants to lavish on us blessings from heaven. Gods joy, Gods peace, Gods love, that's where freedom comes in at. Complete freedom!!Praise the Lord!!!
" function. Please take the time to make your posts more readable.
Thanks for input, I'll try to remember.
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Sasha: Your posts are very difficult to read because of your use of all-caps and neglect of the "Thanks for input, I'll try to remember.
By the way, I was saying NEVER blame God, when things go bad. God does not punish us if we chose to do wrong. We (by choices we make) steep out from under Gods protection. We open the door for satan to attact us because we chose to be deobedient to God. You can not force someone to love you. That is the reason God gave us free will, He wants us to make the chioce to love Him, to seek Him & He wants to lavish on us blessings from heaven. Gods joy, Gods peace, Gods love, that's where freedom comes in at. Complete freedom!!Praise the Lord!!!
Since God allows Satan to exist he wants us to be punished, Satan acts as his scapegoat and mercenary, punishing us and taking the blame.
Sasha: Your posts are very difficult to read because of your use of all-caps and neglect of the "Thanks for input, I'll try to remember.
Since God allows Satan to exist he wants us to be punished, Satan acts as his scapegoat and mercenary, punishing us and taking the blame.
(Sasha;57643)
God does not punish us if we chose to do wrong. We (by choices we make) steep out from under Gods protection. We open the door for satan to attact us because we chose to be deobedient to God.
OOOOHHHHH you mean like Ananias and Sapphira?Oh wait....never mind that was God (Acts 5)....
God does not punish us if we chose to do wrong. We (by choices we make) steep out from under Gods protection. We open the door for satan to attact us because we chose to be deobedient to God.
OOOOHHHHH you mean like Ananias and Sapphira?Oh wait....never mind that was God (Acts 5)....
Satan was a beautiful angel, in the complete presence of God. He tried to take over the throne of God, still God chose not to destroy him. Yet, we should believe that if we chose to sin against God then He will strike us down?? Ananias and Sapphira stepped out from under Gods protection by rebelling against God. GOD did not kill them, He would have forgiven them if they had asked. SATAN comes to kill still and destroy.WE make the choice to follow God or not. If we follow God then we have the promises of protection. If we are not following God, then we are following satan. Jesus said 'If you are not for Me, you are againts Me." That is what opens the door for satan to attact us. WE open it, by walking away from Gods protection. That's one of the privileges that comes with listening to satan. COME GUYS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. AND ALL HE ASKS US TO DO IS TRUST AND FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S IT!!
(Sasha;57665)
Satan was a beautiful angel, in the complete presence of God. He tried to take over the throne of God, still God chose not to destroy him. Yet, we should believe that if we chose to sin against God then He will strike us down?? Ananias and Sapphira stepped out from under Gods protection by rebelling against God. GOD did not kill them, He would have forgiven them if they had asked. SATAN comes to kill still and destroy.WE make the choice to follow God or not. If we follow God then we have the promises of protection. If we are not following God, then we are following satan. Jesus said 'If you are not for Me, you are againts Me." That is what opens the door for satan to attact us. WE open it, by walking away from Gods protection. That's one of the privileges that comes with listening to satan. COME GUYS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. AND ALL HE ASKS US TO DO IS TRUST AND FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S IT!!
Satan whose also called Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12) (I call him Lucy) is indeed the most beautiful angel, full of wisdom of God. (Ezekiel 28:12) Claiming to be God. (Isaiah 14:13-14 Ezekiel 28:2, Ezekiel 28:6, II Thessalonians 2:4) And Lucy is judged to die the second death. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, Revelation 20:14) Although it is his first and only death.
Satan was a beautiful angel, in the complete presence of God. He tried to take over the throne of God, still God chose not to destroy him. Yet, we should believe that if we chose to sin against God then He will strike us down?? Ananias and Sapphira stepped out from under Gods protection by rebelling against God. GOD did not kill them, He would have forgiven them if they had asked. SATAN comes to kill still and destroy.WE make the choice to follow God or not. If we follow God then we have the promises of protection. If we are not following God, then we are following satan. Jesus said 'If you are not for Me, you are againts Me." That is what opens the door for satan to attact us. WE open it, by walking away from Gods protection. That's one of the privileges that comes with listening to satan. COME GUYS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. AND ALL HE ASKS US TO DO IS TRUST AND FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S IT!!
Satan whose also called Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12) (I call him Lucy) is indeed the most beautiful angel, full of wisdom of God. (Ezekiel 28:12) Claiming to be God. (Isaiah 14:13-14 Ezekiel 28:2, Ezekiel 28:6, II Thessalonians 2:4) And Lucy is judged to die the second death. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, Revelation 20:14) Although it is his first and only death.
The second death is when death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire. So, I think that satans first death was a spiritual death, the separation from God. I mean when we die physically that is the first death. To die spiritually does not mean the spirit dies, it means being separated from God for eternity. It is appointed to every man to die once, and then the judgment.
(Sasha;57668)
The second death is when death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire. So, I think that satans first death was a spiritual death, the separation from God. I mean when we die physically that is the first death. To die spiritually does not mean the spirit dies, it means being separated from God for eternity. It is appointed to every man to die once, and then the judgment.
I agree that the physical death (flesh) is our first death. However Satan will never be born in a flesh body, so that rules that out as his first death
Satan's first and only death is our second death. (if we choose Satan over God) Not some seperation of God, but this...Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.This is how Satan will die his first and only death.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
The second death is when death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire. So, I think that satans first death was a spiritual death, the separation from God. I mean when we die physically that is the first death. To die spiritually does not mean the spirit dies, it means being separated from God for eternity. It is appointed to every man to die once, and then the judgment.
I agree that the physical death (flesh) is our first death. However Satan will never be born in a flesh body, so that rules that out as his first death
(Sasha;57665)
COME GUYS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. AND ALL HE ASKS US TO DO IS TRUST AND FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S IT!!
This answer is obviously not satisfying to any skeptic. One would only trust God if one believed he existed and believed the claims made about him were true. Here, try applying that logic elsewhere and see how silly it sounds:"Come on guys, we have to put some trust into our relationship with this stranger if we want to get that candy. All he asks us to do is trust and follow him in his van, that's it!"
COME GUYS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. AND ALL HE ASKS US TO DO IS TRUST AND FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S IT!!
This answer is obviously not satisfying to any skeptic. One would only trust God if one believed he existed and believed the claims made about him were true. Here, try applying that logic elsewhere and see how silly it sounds:"Come on guys, we have to put some trust into our relationship with this stranger if we want to get that candy. All he asks us to do is trust and follow him in his van, that's it!"
(Lunar;57691)
This answer is obviously not satisfying to any skeptic. One would only trust God if one believed he existed and believed the claims made about him were true. Here, try applying that logic elsewhere and see how silly it sounds:"Come on guys, we have to put some trust into our relationship with this stranger if we want to get that candy. All he asks us to do is trust and follow him in his van, that's it!"
Well how silly is it for parents to say "Don't talk to strangers" but can walk right up to a strangers door and ask for candy. Your right it is silly. Yet parents do it every year and fail to see the contradiction they are making. And the example they are setting. Here's another one: A big fat jolly stranger in a red suit will sneak into the house in the middle of the night with a big bag of toys just for you. Because you have been sooooo good this year. (Even if they have been trained by their parents to be a complete hellian) Then they tell their children not to tell lies because it is bad. WOW, satan has really brain washed us from childhood up, from generation to generation. Satan perverts everthing that God has created. Your right a person has to believe God exists. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
This answer is obviously not satisfying to any skeptic. One would only trust God if one believed he existed and believed the claims made about him were true. Here, try applying that logic elsewhere and see how silly it sounds:"Come on guys, we have to put some trust into our relationship with this stranger if we want to get that candy. All he asks us to do is trust and follow him in his van, that's it!"
Well how silly is it for parents to say "Don't talk to strangers" but can walk right up to a strangers door and ask for candy. Your right it is silly. Yet parents do it every year and fail to see the contradiction they are making. And the example they are setting. Here's another one: A big fat jolly stranger in a red suit will sneak into the house in the middle of the night with a big bag of toys just for you. Because you have been sooooo good this year. (Even if they have been trained by their parents to be a complete hellian) Then they tell their children not to tell lies because it is bad. WOW, satan has really brain washed us from childhood up, from generation to generation. Satan perverts everthing that God has created. Your right a person has to believe God exists. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
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