The Law cannot disannul the promises

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tim_from_pa

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I knew I could find where Paul said this in black and white somewhere in my bible. Thank goodness I'm reading thru my bible in a year for the umpteenth time (started last October 4) and I'm almost done. I found this in Galatians:
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (Galatians 3:17)
People who debate against lost tribes doctrine about Israel becoming many nations do not realize or understand the covenants. They say that the promise of many nations to the "Jew" and other fantastic promises were DISANNULLED because they disobeyed the Law and rejected Christ. What the debaters do not understand is that the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants were UNCONDITIONAL whereas the "Old Covenant" mentioned in the bible is merely the Law of Moses--- not the other covenants. They confuse these other covenants with the Law because they were made in the "Old Testament" time frame.The whole point of the Law as Paul said was to be a schoolmaster to bring one to Christ, and kept us until the one who should come. But the promise was made 430 years prior to the Law! So if there was no law to break, then what standard of righteousness would be used to keep the promises? And again, to put it another way, since the promise of Christ came along with the promise of becoming great nationally, if the people could disannul it by their behavior, then God would not be obligated to have a Messiah if they also lost the promise to become many nations.This is indeed what Paul was saying in the above verse. There was no stipulation that the Law had to be obeyed for the promises to be good. He said it plainly: that the Law could not make the promise to none effect.
 

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I knew I could find where Paul said this in black and white somewhere in my bible. Thank goodness I'm reading thru my bible in a year for the umpteenth time (started last October 4) and I'm almost done. I found this in Galatians:people who debate against lost tribes doctrine about Israel becoming many nations do not realize or understand the covenants. They say that the promise of many nations to the "Jew" and other fantastic promises were DISANNULLED because they disobeyed the Law and rejected Christ. What the debaters do not understand is that the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants were UNCONDITIONAL whereas the "Old Covenant" mentioned in the bible is merely the Law of Moses--- not the other covenants. They confuse these other covenants with the Law because they were made in the "Old Testament" time frame.The whole point of the Law as Paul said was to be a schoolmaster to bring one to Christ, and kept us until the one who should come. But the promise was made 430 years prior to the Law! So if there was no law to break, then what standard of righteousness would be used to keep the promises? And again, to put it another way, since the promise of Christ came along with the promise of becoming great nationally, if the people could disannul it by their behavior, then God would not be obligated to have a Messiah if they also lost the promise to become many nations.This is indeed what Paul was saying in the above verse. There was no stipulation that the Law had to be obeyed for the promises to be good. He said it plainly: that the Law could not make the promise to none effect.
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. And, might I add, OSAS, the Gospel of Grace comes through in His Word again. Thanks Tim... going to throw this one in the bank.
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17 This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise.18 For if the inheritance could be received by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God graciously gave it to Abraham as a promise.19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.20 Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.BOY THAT IS GOOD STUFF! Amen!
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I knew I could find where Paul said this in black and white somewhere in my bible. Thank goodness I'm reading thru my bible in a year for the umpteenth time (started last October 4) and I'm almost done. I found this in Galatians:
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (Galatians 3:17)
People who debate against lost tribes doctrine about Israel becoming many nations do not realize or understand the covenants. They say that the promise of many nations to the "Jew" and other fantastic promises were DISANNULLED because they disobeyed the Law and rejected Christ. What the debaters do not understand is that the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants were UNCONDITIONAL whereas the "Old Covenant" mentioned in the bible is merely the Law of Moses--- not the other covenants. They confuse these other covenants with the Law because they were made in the "Old Testament" time frame.The whole point of the Law as Paul said was to be a schoolmaster to bring one to Christ, and kept us until the one who should come. But the promise was made 430 years prior to the Law! So if there was no law to break, then what standard of righteousness would be used to keep the promises? And again, to put it another way, since the promise of Christ came along with the promise of becoming great nationally, if the people could disannul it by their behavior, then God would not be obligated to have a Messiah if they also lost the promise to become many nations.This is indeed what Paul was saying in the above verse. There was no stipulation that the Law had to be obeyed for the promises to be good. He said it plainly: that the Law could not make the promise to none effect.Amen
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. And, might I add, OSAS, the Gospel of Grace comes through in His Word again. Thanks Tim... going to throw this one in the bank.
smile.gif
17 This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise.18 For if the inheritance could be received by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God graciously gave it to Abraham as a promise.19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.20 Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.BOY THAT IS GOOD STUFF! Amen!
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The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.Not this again, OSAS, you are saying that in the past, today and going to be wrong in the future for still saying it.As for Tim, I agree with him for saying that the Davidic covenant is unconditional... because...Revelation 22:16 - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.Abrahamic covenant... still agree... otherwise God wouldn't be saying to Abram to be called Abraham... the father of many nations. Genesis 17:4 - As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.Genesis 17:5 - Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.