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On the other i gues i would first need some admittance from you of the possibility that what we consider "me" might just become worm-food after we literally die

:rolleyes: "gues" not even a word, iPads are from satan imo lol
Anything born after the typewriter has some serious occult issues.
The body we inhabit now...will make excellent fertiliser. And while "spiritual" bodies are mentioned in scripture, we really have little idea of what or how they consist. But to believe God is consistent I believe it would not be unreasonable to believe that we would likely bear some resemblance to what we are now, even to the point of facial recognition...and the body parts also bearing at least some similar purpose in being able to hear, see, taste, touch etc.
 

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Sorry to mention this, but from 1896 to 2019 is only 123 years. An even shorter time...although I still disagree that such is a sign Satan has been recently been loosed. Satan was well and truly active throughout the past 2000 years, as the evils and persecutions of the dark ages blaringly attest.
Thank you for noticing my error in simple math. It just goes to show how flawed we can be with the simplest of things. In my mind and posts, I was estimating back 200 years, therefore in doing the math, I didn't change gears for the mechanics of it.
Yes, as you so aptly pointed out, the time of man's advancement has been even shorter!
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Though many here want to disregard the sudden genius of what man has briefly accomplished, in miracles and wonders, I strongly believe, that it is evidence of proof, that Satan is now intensely involved with man. His plan is for the purpose of marshaling all the weapons of mass destruction, in an instant, not so much for against the world, but rather Him readying himself for the soon return of Jesus, in all his fiery Glory.
After all, he is "the prince of the power of the air [atmosphere]". Ephesians 2:2
Eph. 2[2] Wherein in time past ye [christians] walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit [of antichrist] that now worketh in the children of disobedience [all the unsaved]:
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Rev. 12
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 

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1 Peter 5:8 doesn't speak about Satan being bound or being able to deceive or not deceive anyone. It speaks of him seeking to devour people. Amillennialists don't say that Satan's 'binding' in Rev 20 stops his complete action in human history. When read, we see the passage only speaks about him being bound against deceiving the nations. That still leaves a fair bit of purview to him.

The 1 Peter 5:8 "devour" means in the Greek to drown or gulp up. It's just an expression being used for Satan seeking to destroy members of Christ's Church (that's who Peter was saying that to). I'm surprised that you couldn't understand that metaphor pointing to Satan's working against the Church. And I'm also surprised by your lack of understanding that he will not be able to work against the Church once he is bound in chains in his prison pit when Jesus returns, as written in Rev.20.
 

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And while "spiritual" bodies are mentioned in scripture, we really have little idea of what or how they consist.
so you say, yes...not sure who "we" is there, sorry. Little kids know that for sure tho i guess. Dogs too
But to believe God is consistent I believe it would not be unreasonable to believe that we would likely bear some resemblance to what we are now, even to the point of facial recognition...and the body parts also bearing at least some similar purpose in being able to hear, see, taste, touch etc.
aw...well dang. See, you totally did not answer my Q see, you even maybe anti-answered it. You prolly just reinforced your AT there to me, see, is all you did?
 
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nephesh is female for a reason I guess
On the other i gues i would first need some admittance from you of the possibility that what we consider "me" might just become worm-food after we literally die

:rolleyes: "gues" not even a word, iPads are from satan imo lol
Okay more straight. No, not of you are talking about the whole person ceasing to exist... Not the children anyway.
 

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You are not thinking about what I am saying.
Your head is too full of preconceived, religious ideas and doctrines.
Satan was bound in the "bottomless pit" when Jesus died on the Cross and His Resurrection.
"Pit" means the grave, and "bottomless" is self explanatory, as in endless. Everyone who goes to the grave/pit is DEAD. This earth is Satan's grave and endless DEATH.
Jesus said it this way: Luke 10[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
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> Where did satan fall to?
Rev. 9[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
> Stars are symbolic of angels.


If Satan is given the key to the bottomless pit, then he is not locked in the bottomless pit. He has the key to get in and out. But during the Millenium, an angel comes down with a key and locks Satan in the bottomless pit where he is "shut up" and cannot come out to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:1-3). So we know we have never been in the millenium because Satan has never been locked in Hell. He has only been cast out of heaven and is freely roaming the earth. This has been happening since the time of Christ's resurrection until today. That's how we know we have never been in the Millenium.
 
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I'm fairly certain we've had this conversation recently. But, quickly, let me remind you. I am well aware Satan must be 'loosed' for a little while at the end of the 1000 years. Perhaps you should read the OP?
I find it speculation at best that suggests that the burst in technology is by Satanic means, as not all technology is evil. Satan desires to kill and destroy God's creation...mankind. If his grand plan to do that is to increase our longevity through medical and technological advancement, he needs to rethink.
Also...we need to remember that every shred of tech that Satan uses to corrupt or destroy, Christians are using it to save and to spread the gospel.
I think the only real thing that will tell us of Satan's 'release' will be how the world hates us and persecutes us. When we find no safe haven left but God, then we shall know that the father of lies has spread his poison far and wide.
Apparently, you have missed the subtle, deceptive benevolence of satan/lucifer.
In Mat. 16
[20] Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
[21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
[22] Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
[23] But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

> Because Peter was still living in "the natural man", he was void of the permanency of the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Satan could speak through him at any time.
The clue to pick up on is this: " thou [satan] savourest [set your mind on]....the things.....that be of men."
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IOWs, satan/lucifer caters to the desires of the fleshly minded and the wickedness of men's hearts.
 

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Well...I'd probably put these in for consideration:

The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!” And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. -Luke 10:17–19

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” -John 18:36

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. -Matthew 12:28

that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. -Ephesians 1:20–21

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.....
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
Death is swallowed up in victory.
“O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?” -1 Corinthians 15:22-26,50–55

So you take verses that don't specifically mention a 1,000 year reign and apply them to a 1,000 year reign, and you take a verse that specifically mentions a 1,000 year reign and think it doesn't really mean a thousand years.

It doesn't make sense to me. And I know some use the "a thousand years is as a day to God" and therefore whenever you see "a thousand years" it doesn't mean a thousand years. But we are in time presently, and so when God says "a thousand years" I think He means us to understand it as such. A thousand years to someone who is eternal, yeah, I understand it would seem a very short amount of time, which is what I think that verse is getting at.
 

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If Satan is given the key to the bottomless pit, then he is not locked in the bottomless pit. He has the key to get in and out. But during the Millenium, an angel comes down with a key and locks Satan in the bottomless pit where he is "shut up" and cannot come out to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:1-3). So we know we have never been in the millenium because Satan has never been locked in Hell. He has only been cast out of heaven and is freely roaming the earth. This has been happening since the time of Christ's resurrection until today. That's how we know we have never been in the Millenium.
The "bottomless pit" is not an "abyss" !!
It's simply this earth, being Satan's only home and the grave of endless death.
"Pit" means the grave.
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Now, let's look at the whole picture.
2 Peter [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [the grave/pit], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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Jude 1[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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Rev. 20[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain [darkness] in his hand.
> The book of Rev. Is all symbolic language, of truths in pictorial form. Satan is not bound by a literal chain(s), but rather bound, being separated from the Light of Christ.
 
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Rev. 20[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain [darkness] in his hand.
> The book of Rev. Is all symbolic language, of truths in pictorial form. Satan is not bound by a literal chain(s), but rather bound, being separated from the Light of Christ.

The point I am making is that when I was tempted by Satan, he was not "shut up" in Hell. He is still roaming the earth tempting people. This is my personal proof we are NOT in the Millenium:

1) Because Satan is not shut up, locked in Hell, but is roaming the earth tempting myself and other people
2) Because Jesus Christ is not on the Earth, ruling, but is in Heaven at God's Right hand.

Satan is still the God of this world, still roaming the earth, still the prince of power of the air, and he has been allowed this freedom from the Resurrection of Christ until today. When Jesus Christ returns, Satan will be locked in Hell for 1,000 years unable to roam the earth and tempt people. That has never occurred since the Resurrection of Jesus Christ until now.
 

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So you take verses that don't specifically mention a 1,000 year reign and apply them to a 1,000 year reign, and you take a verse that specifically mentions a 1,000 year reign and think it doesn't really mean a thousand years.

It doesn't make sense to me. And I know some use the "a thousand years is as a day to God" and therefore whenever you see "a thousand years" it doesn't mean a thousand years. But we are in time presently, and so when God says "a thousand years" I think He means us to understand it as such. A thousand years to someone who is eternal, yeah, I understand it would seem a very short amount of time, which is what I think that verse is getting at.
If I may interject, the complete verse of 2 Peter 3:8 must stated in its whole, if one is to understand what God means about time. We told to not be ignorant of it.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that
one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and
a thousand years as one day.
> I have challenged everyone here, to explain how that verse is to be interpreted as literal time, as we know time. I haven't seen any reply YET!
And since I haven't, I will explain it.
The verse above is just a complicated way of explaining God's Eternity, of Himself having no beginning and no end. Time in his Eternity does not exist. Time is only for us, which is directed by the Earth's rotation, and revolutions around the Sun.
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As for the period of "a thousand years", time is not the director of when it shall be, nor when it shall end.
It is just another way of saying " for a very long duration" of what God is doing.
All Christians surely do know, what it is that God is doing, and has been doing, since the first appearance of Jesus. It's known as "The Age of God's Grace", and it shall not be ended by the "hands of a clock" , but rather when men NO LONGER HAVE FAITH!!
Luke 18:8; 2 Thes. 2:3
Iows, the Age of God's Grace is shown symbolically as "thousand years", wherein according to God, one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.
There is NO time limit on the Age of His Grace, but rather the lack of FAITH IS.
Jesus Himself knows not its end, because He does not know when He shall return in flaming fire! Only God the Father knows!!
 

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The point I am making is that when I was tempted by Satan, he was not "shut up" in Hell. He is still roaming the earth tempting people. This is my personal proof we are NOT in the Millenium:

1) Because Satan is not shut up, locked in Hell, but is roaming the earth tempting myself and other people
2) Because Jesus Christ is not on the Earth, ruling, but is in Heaven at God's Right hand.

Satan is still the God of this world, still roaming the earth, still the prince of power of the air, and he has been allowed this freedom from the Resurrection of Christ until today. When Jesus Christ returns, Satan will be locked in Hell for 1,000 years unable to roam the earth and tempt people. That has never occurred since the Resurrection of Jesus Christ until now.
Read again the verses I listed.
"Chains of darkness".
Iows, satan knows nothing of what God is doing.
He does not have the Light of Christ, being that of God's knowledge.
When a person is given the " key(s)" to the kingdom, they are given free access to all of what that kingdom entails.
Jesus gave to Peter (actually to all born again Saints) the keys to the KoG. Was it a literal key?
Of course not.
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In the same way, satan has the key to the kingdoms of this world, of which when he said to Jesus: "all these are mine, and to whom I will give it", he was letting Jesus know that he had that "key" to the kingdoms of this world.
 

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Anything born after the typewriter has some serious occult issues.
The body we inhabit now...will make excellent fertiliser. And while "spiritual" bodies are mentioned in scripture, we really have little idea of what or how they consist. But to believe God is consistent I believe it would not be unreasonable to believe that we would likely bear some resemblance to what we are now, even to the point of facial recognition...and the body parts also bearing at least some similar purpose in being able to hear, see, taste, touch etc.
Jesus, after His Resurrection, showed Himself clearly of what His New body of immortality looked like. The "nail prints" in His hands, and His wounded side were not oozing from any type of healing process, but were completely healed already. Thomas knows!!
 

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Rome is not the restrainer. It was the tool by which the Little Horn was able to destroy the sanctuary of God, i.e. the Temple, and to scatter the Israelites to the four corners of the earth for their iniquities against God.

To demonise the RCC, the hangers on of the reformation falsely accused the Roman Empire of being the fourth segment of the Daniel.2 statue as well as the fourth beasts of Daniel.7. Since the reformation era we have been stuck with this lie and have much difficulty of breaking free from this lie.

Jer.50 tells us that there is an approx. 2,000 year gap between the revelation of the third and the fourth segment of the Statue, which means that Rome could not have been the fourth segment of the Statue. Babylon lay in ruins devastated and desolated during this time period until it was brought back to memory in 1926 AD with the formation of Iraq as a nation within the lands of the Chaldeans/Babylon.

Oh well so much for the truth being expressed.

Shalom
 

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The "bottomless pit" is not an "abyss" !!
It's simply this earth, being Satan's only home and the grave of endless death.
"Pit" means the grave.
This is pure nonsense. You are either extremely confused, or trying to confuse everyone else.
 
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Rome is not the restrainer. It was the tool by which the Little Horn was able to destroy the sanctuary of God, i.e. the Temple, and to scatter the Israelites to the four corners of the earth for their iniquities against God.
Okay, so Rome isn't the restrainer. So who or what is? And if Rome was merely a tool used by "the little horn". who is/was that little horn, and how did such a transaction work out in history?
To demonise the RCC, the hangers on of the reformation falsely accused the Roman Empire of being the fourth segment of the Daniel.2 statue as well as the fourth beasts of Daniel.7. Since the reformation era we have been stuck with this lie and have much difficulty of breaking free from this lie.
The identification of pagan Rome as being the fourth beast of Daniel 7 came about a very long time before the reformation. The early church fathers recognised and taught this. To claim that the reformers invented this idea for the sole purpose of abusing the church they desired to reform, is non-sensical. They didn't need to create a false anything to demonise the papacy. The papacy was doing a great job of doing that themselves without any help from anyone.
Jer.50 tells us that there is an approx. 2,000 year gap between the revelation of the third and the fourth segment of the Statue, which means that Rome could not have been the fourth segment of the Statue. Babylon lay in ruins devastated and desolated during this time period until it was brought back to memory in 1926 AD with the formation of Iraq as a nation within the lands of the Chaldeans/Babylon.
You are aware that we can all read right? You didn't think we would go to Jeremiah to corroborate your statement, even to find the slightest hint that what you say above, "Jer.50 tells us that there is an approx. 2,000 year gap between the revelation of the third and the fourth segment of the Statue," was true?
Okay, maybe some here would read your post and say to themselves, "wow, is that right!! I never knew that!! Jay Ross is the man!! Jeremiah says there is a gap of 2000 years between Greece and the next world empire, and Rome isn't in that prophecy at all!! Wow".
Well, Jay, I'm not one of them. I already knew there wasn't any mention in Jeremiah 50, or any other chapter of Jeremiah, relating to a gap of 2000 years, or in fact any other gap of whatever size , between the third and fourth segments of the statue of Daniel 2. What I read in Jeremiah is that the literal city of Babylon would never again be inhabited, that it would remain forever in a similar state as Sodom and Gomorrah, which if you travelled to the middle east, you would discover their ruins at the edges of the dead sea, and my friend, no-one is living there. No-one is living in Babylon either.
FYI, the Babylon of Revelation is not a literal city.
 
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Could you rephrase this pls, "no" what? Ty
No, the whole person (if that is what you were intimating) does not turn into dust. The body...the physical, absolutely...and the soul...nephesh, ceases to exist being a composite of body and spirit. The spirit returns to God. The spirit I do not perceive as being anything more than the life force which gave the body its animating power...it certainly to my mind from what I read in scripture, cannot be a being in its own right having thoughts, feelings, and senses such as we have now, thus whatever is resurrected is based on God's memory...the transcript of character written in heaven which in this life was made holy by the presence of the Spirit of God and purified by the Word.
I do not see anyone in heaven now, apart from those resurrected specifically and uniquely such as those who came out of their graves at the same time as Jesus resurrection. Elijah and Enoch? In actual heaven? I don't know, the scriptures do not tell us. I do believe in the existence of other worlds. Perhaps they are enjoying life there gardening with aliens?