This isnt the nicest thing to talk about, but i was just wondering it.If a baby dies through birth or when it is really young, does it go to heaven or hell?Bear in mind it hasnt had the chance to commit any sins....
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They return to God just as any: Ecclesiastes 12:6-7Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.II Corinthians 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Someone once told me these little ones were among God's most precious treasures being born of flesh as all souls are appointed once to do Yet returning without sin. this is not a completely scriptural statement but there is nothing against scripture either.Its the way I prefer to think of it
Actually the eccl. 12:7 verse points to the fact that GOD giveth and GOD taketh away.......and the 2nd cor. verse Paul was addressing elect believers of the church of Corinth..... The only real scripture in respect to what happens to the unborn child is when David states that he will once again see his dead son....This is a hard subject on the human spirit for We ALL wish to believe that the dear little ones are ALL saved and return to GOD.....But....the believer should rest in the knowledge that GOD has it ALL under control....as he does when an adult dies....the truth is....if one is a elect child of GOD only then will they spend eternity with GOD...so we MUST say that only the elect child unborn will spend eternity with GOD....rest assured that GOD knows the heart and sees the total man...whether a unborn child or adult......it is hard for us to understand...certainly impossible.....but GOD, as I stated has it under control and HE only is just...and whatever the outcome it will be for HIS glory..................regards....Pop
Actually the eccl. 12:7 verse points to the fact that GOD giveth and GOD taketh away
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
Not in the way you describe it Fox......You are supposing that the soul of a unborn child returns to GOD....You can not do that and stay within the realm of scripture. The preahcer in ecc. 12:6-7 is speaking of death for sure but he makes references to gen 2:7 and 3:19....and his message ends with the culmination of a human life....as in "The LORD giveth and the LORD taketh away" In the 2cor verse you are correct , of course, that Paul is speaking to the elect saints and that WE as believers are included.....You missed my point....once agian this verse has no bearing on unborn children being saved automaticly when they die........The LORD did not make it clear to us in scripture the fate of these little ones.....BUT as believers we must know that whatever the outcome... it is for HIS glory......You can not use these two scriptures and make a blanket statement as you did.............thats all.......Pop
Pop, with all due respect a baby is as much a human as in person who has spent their entire life and then expires.Ezekiel 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.All souls are His and all souls, upon death in this life, return to Him to decide upon the second death. There's frankly nothing outside of the Scriptures about it.God judge's all:Hebrews 12:23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Alright then...........Now the cream comes to the top......what you are saying is that ALL souls return to GOD for judgment. That is a far cry from the original implied thought that the souls of unborn children go to be with the LORD (as in that eternal place of bliss). I too have a mutual respect for you fox......being new to the board, I have taken the liberty to read many of your post. I must say that I disagree with you on some things but I look forward to sharing/debating the word of GOD with you. Most of all sharing. Sometimes GODs people MUST work things out,as we have done, to come to a mutual understanding in order for that understanding to bring glory to HIS name. I look forward very much to doing just that. I am a aged Christian and perhaps in various subjects, set in my ways, but through these many years the one thing the LORD has shown me is that there is plenty room for learning more about HIM.......enough for now.......regards..Pop
Alright then...........Now the cream comes to the top......what you are saying is that ALL souls return to GOD for judgment. That is a far cry from the original implied thought that the souls of unborn children go to be with the LORD (as in that eternal place of bliss).
Not at all, there's no free pass to heaven for anyone and I never said it (nor does the Bible say it), God is the judge of all. As the verse says, all souls (spiritual bodies) return to God and not return to heaven. And Pop, I appreciate you as well. Please don't take my posts as overly rude, sometime it's hard to convey proper tone and I may come off as sounding mad or rude when I do not intend to do so. Look forward to our future discussions.
Not at all, there's no free pass to heaven for anyone and I never said it (nor does the Bible say it), God is the judge of all. As the verse says, all souls (spiritual bodies) return to God and not return to heaven. And Pop, I appreciate you as well. Please don't take my posts as overly rude, sometime it's hard to convey proper tone and I may come off as sounding mad or rude when I do not intend to do so. Look forward to our future discussions.
In the Re text books it says they go to limbo if they are not christened but i dont personally think that is fair. Perhaps they watit in heaven for their parents?
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In the Re text books it says they go to limbo if they are not christened but i dont personally think that is fair. Perhaps they watit in heaven for their parents?
A week or so ago, the Catholic Church said it was giving up the ideal of a limbo for infants; it was a theory but never a fact anyway.Babies go to Heaven to be with God; to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.Everyone is the same age in Heaven. I think ( opinion here ) that it will be the same age as Christ when he took our place on the cross.It grieved God to make man flesh.
In the Re text books it says they go to limbo if they are not christened but i dont personally think that is fair. Perhaps they watit in heaven for their parents?
A week or so ago, the Catholic Church said it was giving up the ideal of a limbo for infants; it was a theory but never a fact anyway.Babies go to Heaven to be with God; to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.Everyone is the same age in Heaven. I think ( opinion here ) that it will be the same age as Christ when he took our place on the cross.It grieved God to make man flesh.
Babies go to heaven. They aren't old enough to be accoutable to God for their sins, as they have no concept of God or sins.(What sins could a baby have anyway?-serious question)
Jen ......your serious question is easily answered by reading job 15:14 which states that ALL are concieved and born in sin.....then there is eph 2:3 which states that every man "by nature" is a child of wrath..a child of the devil says matt 13:38 and john 8:44..... It would be marvelous if ALL unborn children or those who die as infants go to heaven....I pray they do...but the scriptues do not allow for a baby to be sinless...for only ONE was sinless....the man JESUS CHRIST.......study up on the sin nature of man handed down because of the disobedience in the garden.......regards.....Pop
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Great verses kriss..........Paul certainly did assure the believer that for them/us to be absent from the body(dead physically) would mean we are present with the LORD(spiritually)......though this is not assurance that unborn/infants who die are ALL with the LORD......I sure wish we had a scripture to give us that assurance for that is my desire. To know this would be pleasing but the fact remains we must rest assured that GOD has the matter under control as I stated in an earlier post...Again mark 10:14 is a great verse but these little ones surely include those who are too young to realize or excercise a faith in GOD. But HIS words , I think, proves that salvation can be.... and is.... bestowed on those too young or those who may be mentally ill to the point of not realizing the particulars of salvation...still there is no scripture, as I can see, that says without a doubt all these are of the elect.mark 10:15......to receive the Kingdom as a little child reflects on how all believers must be humble and trusting and meek as a little child in order to enter the Kingdom................. regards....Pop
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QUOTE (Pop James @ Dec 14 2006, 12:43 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=5103
Great verses kriss..........Paul certainly did assure the believer that for them/us to be absent from the body(dead physically) would mean we are present with the LORD(spiritually)......though this is not assurance that unborn/infants who die are ALL with the LORD......I sure wish we had a scripture to give us that assurance for that is my desire. To know this would be pleasing but the fact remains we must rest assured that GOD has the matter under control as I stated in an earlier post...Again mark 10:14 is a great verse but these little ones surely include those who are too young to realize or excercise a faith in GOD. But HIS words , I think, proves that salvation can be.... and is.... bestowed on those too young or those who may be mentally ill to the point of not realizing the particulars of salvation...still there is no scripture, as I can see, that says without a doubt all these are of the elect.mark 10:15......to receive the Kingdom as a little child reflects on how all believers must be humble and trusting and meek as a little child in order to enter the Kingdom................. regards....Pop
I think you said it best at the end of this statement. More so we tend to get a little lawyeristic. Can we not trust on the Lords Mercy? Does God not desire Mercy? Would God have spared Sodom and Gomorah even for the sake of 1 righteous man? Even after God said he would destroy it? How often we forget Gods mercy! Let us trust in the Mercy, Grace, and Wisdom of the Lord!
Great verses kriss..........Paul certainly did assure the believer that for them/us to be absent from the body(dead physically) would mean we are present with the LORD(spiritually)......though this is not assurance that unborn/infants who die are ALL with the LORD......I sure wish we had a scripture to give us that assurance for that is my desire. To know this would be pleasing but the fact remains we must rest assured that GOD has the matter under control as I stated in an earlier post...Again mark 10:14 is a great verse but these little ones surely include those who are too young to realize or excercise a faith in GOD. But HIS words , I think, proves that salvation can be.... and is.... bestowed on those too young or those who may be mentally ill to the point of not realizing the particulars of salvation...still there is no scripture, as I can see, that says without a doubt all these are of the elect.mark 10:15......to receive the Kingdom as a little child reflects on how all believers must be humble and trusting and meek as a little child in order to enter the Kingdom................. regards....Pop
I think you said it best at the end of this statement. More so we tend to get a little lawyeristic. Can we not trust on the Lords Mercy? Does God not desire Mercy? Would God have spared Sodom and Gomorah even for the sake of 1 righteous man? Even after God said he would destroy it? How often we forget Gods mercy! Let us trust in the Mercy, Grace, and Wisdom of the Lord!
QUOTE (Denver @ Dec 10 2006, 05:49 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=4861
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
This statement is not scripturally correct. Only those who had accepted Jesus and are saved will go to God and the others will go to hell.
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
This statement is not scripturally correct. Only those who had accepted Jesus and are saved will go to God and the others will go to hell.
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QUOTE (Denver @ Dec 9 2006, 10:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=4861
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
This statement is not scripturally correct. Only those who had accepted Jesus and are saved will go to God and the others will go to hell.Uh yes it is scriptural. All muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Hindu, Buddhist etc people does belongs to God. God created these souls. They don't create themselves. Did Satan create them? No! God also created Satan.Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.And lastly, while God and Christ clearly warned us of Hell so many times because He love us, but the fact is Hell is not yet created. So therefore it does not exist yet.
QUOTE (Denver @ Dec 9 2006, 10:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=4861
How so? I think it's pretty clear that when this old clay pot breaks, the soul returns to God regardless of age. All souls are his. As for the book of Corinthians, are we to throw out all of the writings of the Apostle Paul because they're not addressed to us? Hardly. These verses go hand in hand in explaining what happens to ALL souls; there's frankly not an if, and, or but about it.
This statement is not scripturally correct. Only those who had accepted Jesus and are saved will go to God and the others will go to hell.Uh yes it is scriptural. All muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Hindu, Buddhist etc people does belongs to God. God created these souls. They don't create themselves. Did Satan create them? No! God also created Satan.Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.And lastly, while God and Christ clearly warned us of Hell so many times because He love us, but the fact is Hell is not yet created. So therefore it does not exist yet.
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I wish I would've let this stay in the back, I didn't realize that this post would be bumped to the front. Sorry, I didn't mean to start a new debate.
QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 1 2009, 07:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71590
I wish I would've let this stay in the back, I didn't realize that this post would be bumped to the front. Sorry, I didn't mean to start a new debate.
Debate in itself is not a sin. There is no harm in a healthy debate. It gets one to think... but yes I would advise the newborns should not debate at all... they need to grow in faith before thinking about debating. So no need to apologize WhiteKnuckle.
I wish I would've let this stay in the back, I didn't realize that this post would be bumped to the front. Sorry, I didn't mean to start a new debate.
Debate in itself is not a sin. There is no harm in a healthy debate. It gets one to think... but yes I would advise the newborns should not debate at all... they need to grow in faith before thinking about debating. So no need to apologize WhiteKnuckle.
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