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CoreIssue

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So where does all this leave us?

On theistic evolution is just another sign Catholicism is a cult.

Biblically it is a nonstarter. There is no doubt the Bible teaches.

Is Genesis 1:1 part of the first day. The facts presented clearly show it is not.

How is the earth? We don't know, but we know it is older than 6000 years.

Does this topic have any impact on salvation? No.

Is it really worth division among us? I honestly do not think so.
 

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Life has always exist. Darkness was created.

Think of this compared to the new heaven and earth. There will be no sun or moon. Light will come from God. There will be no dark except, I believe, in the lake of fire.

Finally, I find the notion that God had to wanted to create a shapeless and void earth contrary to everything the Bible teaches.
 

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The problem exists exists in the rejection that creation began on day one of the six days. There is no way you can fit reality into that model.

But of course you can!

And besides, should we take what the Bible tells us and rework it based on what so-called scientists claim?

The fossil records support life from many so-called epochs or whatever co-existing.

The fossil record contains petrified trees that extend through "millions of years" worth of rock layers.

Fossiled human-made tools in millions years old rock layers.

Rock dating that makes no sense. Rocks dated from Mount St. Helens that were formed in the 80's testing at millions of years old.

Science isn't "what is known", it's what they want us to think.

Everything that people point to as showing an old earth, including the solar system, are better explained by the cataclysmic past of a young earth, and young solar system.

There's nothing here that needs millions of years. All the features you see in the earth can occur in a relatively short time.

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But of course you can!

And besides, should we take what the Bible tells us and rework it based on what so-called scientists claim?

The fossil records support life from many so-called epochs or whatever co-existing.

The fossil record contains petrified trees that extend through "millions of years" worth of rock layers.

Fossiled human-made tools in millions years old rock layers.

Rock dating that makes no sense. Rocks dated from Mount St. Helens that were formed in the 80's testing at millions of years old.

Science isn't "what is known", it's what they want us to think.

Everything that people point to as showing an old earth, including the solar system, are better explained by the cataclysmic past of a young earth, and young solar system.

There's nothing here that needs millions of years. All the features you see in the earth can occur in a relatively short time.

Much love!
There is nothing I presented were said that dismisses what the Bible says.

The Bible simply starts creation with that of the earth man lives on.

The earth itself already existed before day one.

You refuse to see the reality that the fossil layers clearly show different forms of life existed at different times.

Multiple extinctions can explain that. Just trying to say Noah's flood cannot.
 

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I reject evolution. But I do not reject facts that do not agree many traditional creation views, as in everything created in six days
ok, let's get started. I reject "man's" view to evolution, but not God's view. yes, God is true evolution. example, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". yes, God put everything into the ground to be grown, but he allowed the earth to bring it forth. hence all the varieties of plant life. and with the animals. Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven". Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so". in diversity, God allowed the earth to bring forth all we see today. the earth brought forth, by the guiding hand of God himself, for the scripture are true. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". so anything, mutated or not which mutate means change or cause to change in form or nature. if it changed it was of God.

second, I don't believe in a 6 day 24hr solar day creation. yes, 6 God days, and how long are those day the bible don't say. but one thing the bible do say about time or days, Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

in this one verse alone is a wealth of scientific information. as said so much information in the creation account.

I believe new earth will be like the earth in Genesis 1:1.

But I realize that is not possible if Genesis 1:1 is part of the first day.

Why? Because in Genesis 1:2 the land is under water.
land under water? read Revelation 21:1.

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ok, let's get started. I reject "man's" view to evolution, but not God's view. yes, God is true evolution. example, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". yes, God put everything into the ground to be grown, but he allowed the earth to bring it forth. hence all the varieties of plant life. and with the animals. Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven". Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so". in diversity, God allowed the earth to bring forth all we see today. the earth brought forth, by the guiding hand of God himself, for the scripture are true. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". so anything, mutated or not which mutate means change or cause to change in form or nature. if it changed it was of God.

second, I don't believe in a 6 day 24hr solar day creation. yes, 6 God days, and how long are those day the bible don't say. but one thing the bible do say about time or days, Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

in this one verse alone is a wealth of scientific information. as said so much information in the creation account.


land under water? read Revelation 21:1.

PICJAG.
I said Genesis 1:1, not verse 2.
 

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Nothing existed before God created the heaven and the earth. no man, no angels, no nothing, but God the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Revelation time, "water" is also the earth, not just the dry land that appeared, what we call earth, but WATER also.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

and here in chapter 1 God did not violate any law of thermodynamics, because he set them.

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Nothing existed before God created the heaven and the earth. no man, no angels, no nothing, but God the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Revelation time, "water" is also the earth, not just the dry land that appeared, what we call earth, but WATER also.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

and here in chapter 1 God did not violate any law of thermodynamics, because he set them.

PICJAG.
The Angels watched God create the earth from heaven.

The earth became shapeless and void. It was not created shapeless and void.

The earth there meant land.

Yes, God created the laws of physics which was a violation of the laws.
 

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The Angels watched God create the earth from heaven.

The earth became shapeless and void. It was not created shapeless and void.

The earth there meant land.

Yes, God created the laws of physics which was a violation of the laws.
error to all. let's take this one step at a time
#1. "The Angels watched God create the earth from heaven". book chapter and verse please.

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Why so many videos? Either your thesis is supported by the bible or it is not. If it is, you can post the verses. If it is not, it is not worth posting at all. Videos are only for people who want to sit and watch videos.

Genesis 1:1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

No six days, it was in the beginning. Stop making up baloney.

Genesis 1:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That is a period known to paleontologists as "Younger Dryas" and it is dated about 13,000 years ago. (You can look that up so you know what it means.) The garden of eden was roughly 6,000 to 7,000 years ago. That leaves six periods of 1,000 years for the restoration (not creation) of Earth. Nothing more was created until verse 21, when soul was created for whales. How did people many thousands of years ago know that whales breathed and fishes didn't?

It's all right there in your bible. Been there for thousands of years. You just need to read it for yourself and stop letting goofy preachers tell you it says something else.