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The great mystery ByPastor Bart The two most important parables that Christ spoke about in the Book of Matthew, were the parable of the sower and the parable of the tares of the field. They reveal the great mystery that has been kept secret since the foundation of the world. We will cover His explanation of the parable of the tares of the field, because it best sums up the great mystery. It is important that we all understand this parable, because it opens our eyes to the many events of today that are taken place, and why things will happen in the future. Let us start in the Book of Matthew Chapter 13, verse 34. All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them. (Matthew 13:34) Jesus constantly used these illustrations when speaking to the crowds. In fact, because the prophets said that he would use so many, he never spoke to them without at least one illustration. (He spoke in parables, but not all would understand). That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. For it had been prophesied, "I will talk in parables; I will explain mysteries hidden since the beginning of time." (Matthew 13:35) (Quoting from Psalms 78) Also speaking of the over-throw of Satan in the first earth age. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. Then, leaving the crowds outside, he went into the house. (Matthew 13:36) His disciples asked him to explain to them the illustration of the thistles and the wheat. (They did not understand the parable, but Christ would explain) He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; "All right," he said, "I am the farmer who sows the choice seed. (Matthew 13:37) (Christ in the flesh) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The field is the world, and the seed represents the people of the kingdom; the thistles are the people belonging to Satan. (Matthew 13:38) (The Kenites are the sons of Cain or the seed of the devil) Reference: Saint John 8:44 / Revelations 3:9. The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. The enemy who sowed the thistles among the wheat is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels. (Matthew 13:39) (Remember that Cain was the first murderer and the son of Satan; Genesis 4:11) As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Just as in this story the thistles are separated and burned, so shall it be at the end of the world. (Matthew 13:40) (God is the consuming fire) And those who are evil will be cast into the lake of fire and blotted out; Revelations 20:15 (This is the second death) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; I will send my angels and they will separate out of the Kingdom every temptation and all who are evil. (Matthew 13:41) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. And throw them into the furnace and burn them. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:42) (Many who were deceived and thought they were saved) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matthew 13:43) (Those who open their Spiritual ears and eyes) Your physical ears and eyes can deceive you, but your Spiritual ears and eyes will lead you to truth. DO NOT BE DECEIVED!Keep The Faith,Pastor Bart
 

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.Mathew 13:44-48 44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. 47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
 

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The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The field is the world, and the seed represents the people of the kingdom; the thistles are the people belonging to Satan. (Matthew 13:38) (The Kenites are the sons of Cain or the seed of the devil) Reference: Saint John 8:44 / Revelations 3:9.
adding to scripture..the bible calls the jews the sons of the devil..jn 8: 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed[flesh]; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. So pure blooded Jews, jesus called them children of the devil..satan was their Father..not some kenites..and also, all the non elect, dont matter what color or creed, or whatever, are children of the devil, the serpents seed..This is more of your traditions..
 

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Guys, I'm getting a sense that savedbygrace57 is in his mindset to condemn ALL Jews are from Satan. What a pity. God doesn't.
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 08:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70541
Guys, I'm getting a sense that savedbygrace57 is in his mindset to condemn ALL Jews are from Satan. What a pity. God doesn't.
Thats a slander, i never said that..but you show poor regard for holy scripture..now who is Jesus speaking to in jn 8 44 ? vs 37 will give you a clue ?
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 10 2009, 07:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70542
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 07:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70541
Guys, I'm getting a sense that savedbygrace57 is in his mindset to condemn ALL Jews are from Satan. What a pity. God doesn't.
Thats a slander, i never said that..but you show poor regard for holy scripture..now who is Jesus speaking to in jn 8 44 ? vs 37 will give you a clue ?People who call themselves Jews (same goes with calling themselves Christians) but are not... so they lie...
 

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People who call themselves Jews (same goes with calling themselves Christians) but are not... so they lie...
what did jesus affirm about this group in jn 8 37 ?
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 10 2009, 08:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70546
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 07:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70543
Thats a slander, i never said that..but you show poor regard for holy scripture..now who is Jesus speaking to in jn 8 44 ? vs 37 will give you a clue ?People who call themselves Jews (same goes with calling themselves Christians) but are not... so they lie...
what did jesus affirm about this group in jn 8 37 ?It doesn't mean all of them are...
 

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In the Parable of the Sower (Luke 8:11-15), Jesus describes four groups of people. Take note of which group has put their faith into obedient action: "This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved." (Luke 8:11-12) The people in this group are deceived by the devil and they never believe in Jesus for salvation. This group represents all unbelievers, meaning atheists, agnostics, and those who are in non-Christian religions. These people have no faith in Jesus, and they know it. "Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." (Luke 8:13) The second group represents certain people who receive the Word of God with joy and believe it. These people probably call themselves Christians and attend church. But look what happens to them: In "the time of testing" they fall away. This tells us that there will be "times of testing" in Christians' lives, and that we must persevere in our faith. Unfortunately, this second group does not persevere in their faith, they give up when things get uncomfortable or become too much trouble. Are these people saved? Some scholars say that this group represents people who only believe in Jesus with their minds, not with their hearts, and therefore they do not truly have saving faith. How many people in our churches fall into this category of having head knowledge but not heart faith? Far too many (even one is too many), and the sad fact is that they probably believe they are saved when in fact they may be on their way to hell. "The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature." (Luke 8:14) The third group represents people who also hear the Word and believe it, but they never mature in their faith. Jesus said that they go on their way rather than obeying His way. They are too busy with the things of this world, chasing after their own goals and ambitions and being overwhelmed with the worries and cares of this world. Are these people saved? Perhaps, perhaps not. Christians who are worldly and are not yet spiritually mature (even if they have been Christians for many years) are often indistinguishable from non-Christians. If a person calls himself a Christian but he is more focused on the things of this world than on the things of God then it raises the question of whether he ever really got saved in the first place. Is Jesus really dwelling in his heart? It is not our place to judge whether or not people are saved, but let's be brutally honest and judge our own lives, let's "examine [ourselves] to see whether [we] are in the faith" (2 Corinthians 13:5). Matthew 13:22 and Mark 4:19 tell us that the people in this group are "unfruitful" in their Christian walk: "The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful." (Matthew 13:22) "but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful." (Mark 4:19) It is unfortunate that the people in this group are unfruitful, because Matthew 7:18-20 and John 15:8 tell us that Christians are recognized by their "fruit" (obedience to Jesus) and that "branches" which are unfruitful are thrown into the fire: "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matthew 7:18-20) "This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." (John 15:8) This may indicate (as many Christian scholars believe) that the people represented by this group are destined to burn in hell for all eternity unless someone leads them to Christ. Luke 8:14 says that these people are "choked," which comes from a Greek word that can also be translated as "strangled" or "suffocated." These words convey the idea of death, not the abundant life that we have in Christ. It is possible that thousands or millions of church-goers will step into eternity at death, but instead of a glorious welcome into heaven they will be horrified to find themselves banished from God's presence and cast into eternal torment. We don't just assume that we're "probably okay." Make sure that we are saved and then submit fully to the Lord in every area of our life, showing ourself to be His disciple! Not out of fear, but out of a deep love for the Lord and a deep desire to please Him. "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop." (Luke 8:15) The fourth group represents those who truly are Christians and who are fruitful because of their obedience to Christ. Matthew 13:23 and Mark 4:20 say that they "produce a crop--thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown." Luke 8:15 says that they produce this crop by persevering. They do not fall away when the going gets rough nor when they are tempted by worldly desires and passions. Their highest passion is Jesus, and it shows. They remain obedient to the Word of God, surrendering every area of their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. This does not mean that they never make any mistakes or that they never sin, but it does mean that they do not continually sin and that when they commit a sin they quickly confess it and ask for forgiveness. Notice that of the four groups described in this parable, only one group definitely represents true Christians. The majority of the people in this parable appear to be unsaved, even those who initially believed the Gospel (possibly with their heads but not with their hearts). This gives the impression that many people who believe they are Christians may in fact be bound for hell and they don't even know it. They are expecting a glorious welcome into heaven but instead they will receive the ultimate horror: Eternity in burning agony in the lake of fire and eternal condemnation and banishment from the glorious presence of God. Why? Simply from not examining their lives and not making the choice to be obedient to the Lord. The Parable of the Sower .... only one group was obedient and fruitful. Jesus specifically said that it is our fruitful obedience which shows that we are His disciples (see Matthew 7:18-20 and John 15:8). Therefore, it is important for us to remain obedient to the Word of God and to surrender our lives to the Lord so that we will be members of the fourth group in the Parable of the Sower. Then we never need to be worried about our salvation ever again!
 

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QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 10 2009, 10:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70551
In the Parable of the Sower (Luke 8:11-15), Jesus describes four groups of people. Take note of which group has put their faith into obedient action: "This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved." (Luke 8:11-12) The people in this group are deceived by the devil and they never believe in Jesus for salvation. This group represents all unbelievers, meaning atheists, agnostics, and those who are in non-Christian religions. These people have no faith in Jesus, and they know it. "Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." (Luke 8:13) The second group represents certain people who receive the Word of God with joy and believe it. These people probably call themselves Christians and attend church. But look what happens to them: In "the time of testing" they fall away. This tells us that there will be "times of testing" in Christians' lives, and that we must persevere in our faith. Unfortunately, this second group does not persevere in their faith, they give up when things get uncomfortable or become too much trouble. Are these people saved? Some scholars say that this group represents people who only believe in Jesus with their minds, not with their hearts, and therefore they do not truly have saving faith. How many people in our churches fall into this category of having head knowledge but not heart faith? Far too many (even one is too many), and the sad fact is that they probably believe they are saved when in fact they may be on their way to hell. "The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature." (Luke 8:14) The third group represents people who also hear the Word and believe it, but they never mature in their faith. Jesus said that they go on their way rather than obeying His way. They are too busy with the things of this world, chasing after their own goals and ambitions and being overwhelmed with the worries and cares of this world. Are these people saved? Perhaps, perhaps not. Christians who are worldly and are not yet spiritually mature (even if they have been Christians for many years) are often indistinguishable from non-Christians. If a person calls himself a Christian but he is more focused on the things of this world than on the things of God then it raises the question of whether he ever really got saved in the first place. Is Jesus really dwelling in his heart? It is not our place to judge whether or not people are saved, but let's be brutally honest and judge our own lives, let's "examine [ourselves] to see whether [we] are in the faith" (2 Corinthians 13:5). Matthew 13:22 and Mark 4:19 tell us that the people in this group are "unfruitful" in their Christian walk: "The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful." (Matthew 13:22) "but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful." (Mark 4:19) It is unfortunate that the people in this group are unfruitful, because Matthew 7:18-20 and John 15:8 tell us that Christians are recognized by their "fruit" (obedience to Jesus) and that "branches" which are unfruitful are thrown into the fire: "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matthew 7:18-20) "This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." (John 15:8) This may indicate (as many Christian scholars believe) that the people represented by this group are destined to burn in hell for all eternity unless someone leads them to Christ. Luke 8:14 says that these people are "choked," which comes from a Greek word that can also be translated as "strangled" or "suffocated." These words convey the idea of death, not the abundant life that we have in Christ. It is possible that thousands or millions of church-goers will step into eternity at death, but instead of a glorious welcome into heaven they will be horrified to find themselves banished from God's presence and cast into eternal torment. We don't just assume that we're "probably okay." Make sure that we are saved and then submit fully to the Lord in every area of our life, showing ourself to be His disciple! Not out of fear, but out of a deep love for the Lord and a deep desire to please Him. "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop." (Luke 8:15) The fourth group represents those who truly are Christians and who are fruitful because of their obedience to Christ. Matthew 13:23 and Mark 4:20 say that they "produce a crop--thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown." Luke 8:15 says that they produce this crop by persevering. They do not fall away when the going gets rough nor when they are tempted by worldly desires and passions. Their highest passion is Jesus, and it shows. They remain obedient to the Word of God, surrendering every area of their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. This does not mean that they never make any mistakes or that they never sin, but it does mean that they do not continually sin and that when they commit a sin they quickly confess it and ask for forgiveness. Notice that of the four groups described in this parable, only one group definitely represents true Christians. The majority of the people in this parable appear to be unsaved, even those who initially believed the Gospel (possibly with their heads but not with their hearts). This gives the impression that many people who believe they are Christians may in fact be bound for hell and they don't even know it. They are expecting a glorious welcome into heaven but instead they will receive the ultimate horror: Eternity in burning agony in the lake of fire and eternal condemnation and banishment from the glorious presence of God. Why? Simply from not examining their lives and not making the choice to be obedient to the Lord. The Parable of the Sower .... only one group was obedient and fruitful. Jesus specifically said that it is our fruitful obedience which shows that we are His disciples (see Matthew 7:18-20 and John 15:8). Therefore, it is important for us to remain obedient to the Word of God and to surrender our lives to the Lord so that we will be members of the fourth group in the Parable of the Sower. Then we never need to be worried about our salvation ever again!
what did jesus call them he was talking to in jn 8 37 ?
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 10 2009, 11:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70558
what did jesus call them he was talking to in jn 8 37 ?
Don't know what this has to do with the parable of the sower...but...John 8:37 Speaking to the Jews, Jesus said that He knew they were Abraham's seed, but that they wanted to kill Him, because they did not accept His word. Physically they were from Abraham, but spiritully(because they did not believe Him) they were of the devil.
 

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...John 8:37 Speaking to the Jews, Jesus said that He knew they were Abraham's seed, but that they wanted to kill Him, because they did not accept His word.
What two things did jesus say to these jews[abrahams seed] in vs vs 43
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 11 2009, 08:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70571
What two things did jesus say to these jews[abrahams seed] in vs vs 43
He ask them..why do you not understand my message? ...it is because they can not hear His (logos) word.
 

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...it is because they can not hear His (logos) word.
ok good, they cannot hear ? what does cannot hear mean ?
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 11 2009, 09:32 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70576
thats close, but what does cannot mean ? if someone says to you, you cannot do something, what is that person saying about your abilities ?
You can not understand in the spirit.
 

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QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 11 2009, 10:53 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70578
You can not understand in the spirit.
would you say, they did not have the ability to hear ? lets stick to the words christ used please..he used hear..the greek word..Yes they had not the abilty to understand..but too they had not the ability to hear right ?