CoreIssue
Well-Known Member
The Vatican invented Islam? What an absurd statement.
Peace and revelations? It says quite the opposite.
9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?
- Thread starter Soverign Grace
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
The Vatican invented Islam? What an absurd statement.
Peace and revelations? It says quite the opposite.
CoreIssue
Well-Known Member
I do not understand why so many Christians put such faith in our GovernmentI served in the Air Force for 7 years and realized so much in that time about the Govt. I was always in a state of preparedness, as was all on the bases, to go to war. We, at least the ones I knew well, never really what we would be fighting for. Of course, they train you to never question any order, no matter how trivial or wrong you might think it is. I'm, by nature a curious person, lol but...I never questioned a thing, ever. But in hindsight, there are things that come back to me that did not really click then. Since then, I try not to concern myself "with the cares of this world". That does NOT mean that I trust any MAN. Especially those in power over us in this secular world.
From your last vid.: "...defy the laws of mechanics, conservation of energy and known structural failure behavior. The case for the destruction of the three WTC buildings by means of "controlled demolition" is overwhelming. — Claude Robert Briscoe, civil engineer with 45+ years of experience"
Science is science...I will watch the rest of the vid in a minute. Ya know, sometimes conspiracy's are true...just like some rumorFlying an airplane to building does not even come close to being a controlled demolition. are true. Go with the evidence and take it from there...look at both sides (and I was totally on the side of the media at the time...I wanted to re-up in the service at that time but alas, I was too old by then to re-join...I am grateful for that now.
♥
CoreIssue
Well-Known Member
We all know that radical Islam is a danger yet we had a President who was Muslim and was instrumental in depositing Muslims throughout America through refugee resettlements. In our state I read of a residential neighborhood that Muslims wanted to build a huge mosque in. Understandably, after 9-11 the neighborhood residents were fearful and opposed it. Each neighbor received a letter in the mail demanding to know their email addresses, social media accounts, and other personal information. So was the danger from radical Islam or our own government? Or both?
After the Oklahoma city bombing, Columbine, the Las Vegas shooting, and 9-11 specific objectives were met: people readily gave up their constitutional rights without so much as a whimper, and the beating of the media drumbeat for confiscating guns began. Ben Carson told why the Nazis wanted a disarmed citizenry:
"German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior … Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance."
If anyone has been paying attention, America has become like Nazi Germany. After 9-11 our Constitution was obliterated because the people wanted to be safe from Islam after seeing thousands of people killed on 9-11. From the NY Times:
"Consider the USA Patriot Act, which was short for this Orwellian mouthful: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001. The law, more than 300 pages long, sailed through Congress seven weeks after the attacks with scant dissent. It quickly became a sort of shorthand for government abuse and overreaching.
The Patriot Act undeniably expanded the government’s surveillance powers and the scope of some criminal laws. But this was, in truth, tinkering at the margins and nothing compared with the responses of other developed democracies, where preventive detention and limitations on subversive speech became commonplace."
Attachments
Consider the liberties that Americans lost after 9-11, which they would never have agreed to if it weren't for 9-11:
1. The liberty to not be spied upon: Essential to a free society — at least as the founders of the United States saw it — was the freedom to be left alone. In the not too distant past, government agencies suspicious of citizens had to obtain warrants to investigate private citizens. They had to prove to a judge why they deserved to violate a person’s sacrosanct privacy from the State. Though surveillance programs were in place long before 9/11, the tragedy enabled much more far-reaching impositions. Multiple federal agencies — most notably the NSA — are enabled to surveil citizens, all the time — all around the world. The government’s paranoid desire for total surveillance has only grown since 9/11. The FBI, which built the NSA’s foundation for dragnet spying, continuously throws temper tantrumsover its inability to spy on encrypted communications. The Department of “Justice” argued just this week that it should have access to all Americans’ emails. A separate court recently ruled that a case challenging NSA bulk data collection could not move forward because the plaintiff could not prove — due to government secrecy — that he was being surveilled.
2. The liberty to not be harassed by law enforcement: The federal government’s total surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11 — or rather, the political exploitation of it. However, at the local level, police departments not only conduct their own invasive spying with secret technology provided by the federal government — they pose a far greater danger. Where police officers were once trusted to protect life, they now threaten it. Currently, the risk of being killed by a police officer is anywhere from eight to 55 times greater than being killed by a terrorist. In 2015, police are on track to kill 1,100 Americans — and since 9/11, have killed more than died that day. This year, it was revealed that Chicago’s Homan Square operated as a black site without due process but replete with torture. Other violations by police, constitutionally speaking, include a basic protection against unwarranted searches and seizures. This makes unauthorized cavity searches on the side of the road and civil asset forfeiture — a policy by which police have stolen millions of dollars from unaccused citizens — an egregious seizure of the freedoms Americans still drunkenly celebrate on national holidays. Checkpoints, anyone?
3. The freedom of movement and travel without being treated like a criminal: Considering how traumatized the collective American populace continues to be by incessant, repeated clips of two planes flying into the World Trade Center, it is unsurprising that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), formed after 9/11, is accepted as a vital element of modern society. Millions of Americans routinely huddle in cramped airport security lines, removing their shoes and flashing their private parts to security agents via X-ray machines so as to avoid more invasive gropings. Recently, two agents were caught tag-teaming to grope attractive women. Theft of passenger belongings runs rampant among officers. Racial profiling is allowed by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the TSA. Unsurprisingly, these practices fail to find terrorists 95% of the time. Meanwhile, children in wheelchairs, the elderly, and otherwise innocent Americans are forced to endure what would amount to sexual harassment in any other environment. But rest assured, if travelers pay a special fee, they can bypass security lines. For your safety.
4. Freedom of Speech: While no one (that the government admits to) has been black-bagged for criticizing the government yet, the State has spent years incrementally criminalizing this fundamental right. In addition to designating anti-government activists, hippie communes, and Americans with seed libraries as potential terrorists, the federal government has made a habit of punishing individuals who attempt to shed light on the government’s crimes. From Bradley (Chelsea) Manning to Edward Snowden and countless others, those who attempt to inform the American people of the atrocities their government commits are promptly silenced. Though the story received little mainstream attention, the military’s new operating procedures condone killing journalists. Further, the people’s right to free speech has been widely suppressed. During the Bush years, protesters were cordoned off into “free speech zones” to air their grievances. Today, protests are heavily patrolled by police, who do not shy away from pestering — if not abusing — people peacefully exercising their most essential constitutional right.
1. The liberty to not be spied upon: Essential to a free society — at least as the founders of the United States saw it — was the freedom to be left alone. In the not too distant past, government agencies suspicious of citizens had to obtain warrants to investigate private citizens. They had to prove to a judge why they deserved to violate a person’s sacrosanct privacy from the State. Though surveillance programs were in place long before 9/11, the tragedy enabled much more far-reaching impositions. Multiple federal agencies — most notably the NSA — are enabled to surveil citizens, all the time — all around the world. The government’s paranoid desire for total surveillance has only grown since 9/11. The FBI, which built the NSA’s foundation for dragnet spying, continuously throws temper tantrumsover its inability to spy on encrypted communications. The Department of “Justice” argued just this week that it should have access to all Americans’ emails. A separate court recently ruled that a case challenging NSA bulk data collection could not move forward because the plaintiff could not prove — due to government secrecy — that he was being surveilled.
2. The liberty to not be harassed by law enforcement: The federal government’s total surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11 — or rather, the political exploitation of it. However, at the local level, police departments not only conduct their own invasive spying with secret technology provided by the federal government — they pose a far greater danger. Where police officers were once trusted to protect life, they now threaten it. Currently, the risk of being killed by a police officer is anywhere from eight to 55 times greater than being killed by a terrorist. In 2015, police are on track to kill 1,100 Americans — and since 9/11, have killed more than died that day. This year, it was revealed that Chicago’s Homan Square operated as a black site without due process but replete with torture. Other violations by police, constitutionally speaking, include a basic protection against unwarranted searches and seizures. This makes unauthorized cavity searches on the side of the road and civil asset forfeiture — a policy by which police have stolen millions of dollars from unaccused citizens — an egregious seizure of the freedoms Americans still drunkenly celebrate on national holidays. Checkpoints, anyone?
3. The freedom of movement and travel without being treated like a criminal: Considering how traumatized the collective American populace continues to be by incessant, repeated clips of two planes flying into the World Trade Center, it is unsurprising that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), formed after 9/11, is accepted as a vital element of modern society. Millions of Americans routinely huddle in cramped airport security lines, removing their shoes and flashing their private parts to security agents via X-ray machines so as to avoid more invasive gropings. Recently, two agents were caught tag-teaming to grope attractive women. Theft of passenger belongings runs rampant among officers. Racial profiling is allowed by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the TSA. Unsurprisingly, these practices fail to find terrorists 95% of the time. Meanwhile, children in wheelchairs, the elderly, and otherwise innocent Americans are forced to endure what would amount to sexual harassment in any other environment. But rest assured, if travelers pay a special fee, they can bypass security lines. For your safety.
4. Freedom of Speech: While no one (that the government admits to) has been black-bagged for criticizing the government yet, the State has spent years incrementally criminalizing this fundamental right. In addition to designating anti-government activists, hippie communes, and Americans with seed libraries as potential terrorists, the federal government has made a habit of punishing individuals who attempt to shed light on the government’s crimes. From Bradley (Chelsea) Manning to Edward Snowden and countless others, those who attempt to inform the American people of the atrocities their government commits are promptly silenced. Though the story received little mainstream attention, the military’s new operating procedures condone killing journalists. Further, the people’s right to free speech has been widely suppressed. During the Bush years, protesters were cordoned off into “free speech zones” to air their grievances. Today, protests are heavily patrolled by police, who do not shy away from pestering — if not abusing — people peacefully exercising their most essential constitutional right.
5. The liberty to simply know what the government does: When President Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008, he decried George W. Bush’s cloak of secrecy shrouding government actions. Obama vowed to be more transparent, to make the government truly work for the people by allowing them to know what it does. His presidency is almost over, but any echo of that sentiment has been silenced. His administration, self-designated the “most transparent in history,” is one of the least transparent and denies more Freedom of Information Act requests than ever. Lawmakers refuse to reveal details of foreign policy, surveillance, and more, citing “national security” as a blanket excuse. This justification is how they perpetuated continued warrantless spying even after the Patriot Act expired. It is how they have instigated perpetual war with little explanation beyond “grave threats” to the American people. To say more would be to endanger the people further, of course. Whenever politicians feel threatened by real questions, they need only parrot the need for “public safety” and drum up memories of 9/11 to shirk accountability.
6. The liberty to not be harassed by the military in your own home: Many people view the third amendment as archaic. The Revolutionary War is long over and soldiers are no longer “quartered.” However, one specific program — mutated after 9/11 — allows this violation on a daily basis. Following last year’s protests in Ferguson against police brutality, the Pentagon’s 1033 program has faced intense scrutiny for arming local police with high-powered military gear, from armored vehicles to battle regalia. This program has emboldened SWAT teams and other local police — paramilitary wings of law enforcement armed to the teeth — to increasingly raid the homes of private citizens. “But they’re criminals!” loyalists might cry. But what about when they aren’t? Often, SWAT teams raid the wrong addresses, but even when they are in the right place, they inflict everything from beatings and murder on non-violent, often innocent citizens to shooting family pets. The 1033 program, intended to help fight the Drug War, increased in power after 9/11 — when its stated goal shifted toward preventing terrorism.
7. The right to a fair trial: When the near-mythical “founding fathers” crafted the Constitution, one of their greatest revolutions was ensuring fair trials to the accused. This banned cruel and unusual punishment while ensuring a speedy trial where the defendant was considered innocent until proven guilty — not the other way around, as had been practiced by despotic regimes throughout human history. However, this right to a fair trial has been increasingly eroded by autocratic elements within the so-called justice system, especially since 9/11. An Irish judge recently refused to extradite a terror suspect to the United States, citing fears he would endure cruel and unusual punishment. “Death by firing squad!” many patriots mourning 9/11 might chant. He is a terrorist, after all, and “innocent until proven guilty” is a moniker of the weak and those hell-bent on seeing Americans murdered.
But what about the American citizens presumed guilty before an actual verdict is reached? Prosecutors have been criticized for exercising racism in jury selection, biasing courts in favor of conviction. One mentally ill black man died languishing away in prison for months — awaiting a (non-speedy) trial for allegedly stealing less than five dollars worth of snacks from a convenience store. In more high-profile cases, the government and media go out of their way to ensure defendants are presumed guilty long before their trials start. Such was the case with Ross Ulbricht (where FBI agents were found to have committed criminal acts during investigations and key evidence was suppressed). Chelsea Manning and others have faced similar fates. The government also actively campaigns against activists attempting to educate jurors about their rights. None of these violations of due process compete with the indefinite detention provision of the 2012-present National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Language found in Section 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA allows the president to order the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, merely for being suspected of being a threat to national security.
8. The liberty of owning your body: Though not codified in the Constitution, a basic premise of liberty is self-ownership — that free individuals may choose what they want to do with and put in their bodies. Though the Drug War has been in full swing for decades, the events of 9/11 allowed the government to regulate people’s body chemistry more heavily. While the Patriot Act is widely associated with unwarranted surveillance — as it should be — it was used overwhelmingly to prosecute non-violent drug “crimes” and has helped to create the world’s largest prison population, because…freedom?
9. Economic liberty: While the state places many restrictions on economic freedom, it has done so for centuries through taxation, fees, fines, and regulations that favor corporations (such as the recent Trans-Pacific Partnership). Still, these policies have not been contingent on the 9/11 terror attacks. What 9/11 has allowed, however, are increased piles of tax dollars to fund military adventures throughout the world. Though the military chronically eats up trillions of dollars, every year it demands more money — and nearly every year it gets it. Without the jarring images of 9/11 branded into Americans’ brains, the military would have a much more difficult time securing funding. Those who disagree with such expenditures (whether out of fiscal responsibility or outrage at endless violence) must square off with the IRS — an entity more terrifying to most Americans than the government’s more murderous agencies.
While the events that transpired on 9/11 should never be forgotten — and should be commemorated — often, the nationalistic grandstanding that comes along with mourning the dead removes any possibility to mourn the freedoms lost — or the very literal lost and tortured lives of individuals around the world subjected to the aggressive foreign policy enabled by 9/11. While the government is categorically to blame for these violations, it is an unfortunate fact that Americans are guilty of creating an environment where crimes against humanity go unchecked and nearly every element of American life is regulated and surveilled. By allowing themselves to be manipulated by constant fear-mongering, Americans have allowed — if not applauded — this confiscation of their freedoms.
This article (9 Liberties Lost Since 9/11) is free and open source. You have permission to republish this article under a Creative Commons license with attribution to Carey Wedler and theAntiMedia.org. Anti-Media Radio
6. The liberty to not be harassed by the military in your own home: Many people view the third amendment as archaic. The Revolutionary War is long over and soldiers are no longer “quartered.” However, one specific program — mutated after 9/11 — allows this violation on a daily basis. Following last year’s protests in Ferguson against police brutality, the Pentagon’s 1033 program has faced intense scrutiny for arming local police with high-powered military gear, from armored vehicles to battle regalia. This program has emboldened SWAT teams and other local police — paramilitary wings of law enforcement armed to the teeth — to increasingly raid the homes of private citizens. “But they’re criminals!” loyalists might cry. But what about when they aren’t? Often, SWAT teams raid the wrong addresses, but even when they are in the right place, they inflict everything from beatings and murder on non-violent, often innocent citizens to shooting family pets. The 1033 program, intended to help fight the Drug War, increased in power after 9/11 — when its stated goal shifted toward preventing terrorism.
7. The right to a fair trial: When the near-mythical “founding fathers” crafted the Constitution, one of their greatest revolutions was ensuring fair trials to the accused. This banned cruel and unusual punishment while ensuring a speedy trial where the defendant was considered innocent until proven guilty — not the other way around, as had been practiced by despotic regimes throughout human history. However, this right to a fair trial has been increasingly eroded by autocratic elements within the so-called justice system, especially since 9/11. An Irish judge recently refused to extradite a terror suspect to the United States, citing fears he would endure cruel and unusual punishment. “Death by firing squad!” many patriots mourning 9/11 might chant. He is a terrorist, after all, and “innocent until proven guilty” is a moniker of the weak and those hell-bent on seeing Americans murdered.
But what about the American citizens presumed guilty before an actual verdict is reached? Prosecutors have been criticized for exercising racism in jury selection, biasing courts in favor of conviction. One mentally ill black man died languishing away in prison for months — awaiting a (non-speedy) trial for allegedly stealing less than five dollars worth of snacks from a convenience store. In more high-profile cases, the government and media go out of their way to ensure defendants are presumed guilty long before their trials start. Such was the case with Ross Ulbricht (where FBI agents were found to have committed criminal acts during investigations and key evidence was suppressed). Chelsea Manning and others have faced similar fates. The government also actively campaigns against activists attempting to educate jurors about their rights. None of these violations of due process compete with the indefinite detention provision of the 2012-present National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Language found in Section 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA allows the president to order the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, merely for being suspected of being a threat to national security.
8. The liberty of owning your body: Though not codified in the Constitution, a basic premise of liberty is self-ownership — that free individuals may choose what they want to do with and put in their bodies. Though the Drug War has been in full swing for decades, the events of 9/11 allowed the government to regulate people’s body chemistry more heavily. While the Patriot Act is widely associated with unwarranted surveillance — as it should be — it was used overwhelmingly to prosecute non-violent drug “crimes” and has helped to create the world’s largest prison population, because…freedom?
9. Economic liberty: While the state places many restrictions on economic freedom, it has done so for centuries through taxation, fees, fines, and regulations that favor corporations (such as the recent Trans-Pacific Partnership). Still, these policies have not been contingent on the 9/11 terror attacks. What 9/11 has allowed, however, are increased piles of tax dollars to fund military adventures throughout the world. Though the military chronically eats up trillions of dollars, every year it demands more money — and nearly every year it gets it. Without the jarring images of 9/11 branded into Americans’ brains, the military would have a much more difficult time securing funding. Those who disagree with such expenditures (whether out of fiscal responsibility or outrage at endless violence) must square off with the IRS — an entity more terrifying to most Americans than the government’s more murderous agencies.
While the events that transpired on 9/11 should never be forgotten — and should be commemorated — often, the nationalistic grandstanding that comes along with mourning the dead removes any possibility to mourn the freedoms lost — or the very literal lost and tortured lives of individuals around the world subjected to the aggressive foreign policy enabled by 9/11. While the government is categorically to blame for these violations, it is an unfortunate fact that Americans are guilty of creating an environment where crimes against humanity go unchecked and nearly every element of American life is regulated and surveilled. By allowing themselves to be manipulated by constant fear-mongering, Americans have allowed — if not applauded — this confiscation of their freedoms.
This article (9 Liberties Lost Since 9/11) is free and open source. You have permission to republish this article under a Creative Commons license with attribution to Carey Wedler and theAntiMedia.org. Anti-Media Radio
CoreIssue
Well-Known Member
I see nothing addressing Islam in your claims.
There are plenty of issues out there to deal with.
The last thing we need is more false conspiracy claims that address nothing.
I do agree with many of your observations Sovereign, I just don't believe that 911 was a false flag. I view things / current events , politics etc..through the lense of Bible prophecy and we are warned of increased violence, increase in evil, a falling away, and a tendency towards being spiritual but unholy and isn't that what we see with the influx of new age spiritual invading the western culture? Sadly people , especially the younger generations think they are 'woke', they think they are diverse, more tolerant , and ultra-spiritual but they are intolerant & rejecting the God of the Bible.
tzcho2 you said: "The problem is they don't do any research whatsoever on what they should have been drawn to investigate, i.e. Islam, terrorist factions within it, muslim brotherhood, etc...but they will surf the conspiracy sites & watch 100's of hours of conspiracy youtube videos and call that research. God help them,its not a good pattern & the same individuals often have difficulty picking out those who preach sound doctrines too, & have itching ears. Few seem to have developed critical thinking skills & commonsense."
Your words are blatantly false. I have researched these issues in-depth. Following an unfortunate incident where I became incapacitated for several years, all I did while recovering was to read and research for hours every day, 7 days a week. I studied the bible for 40 years and believe that God led me into a study of the end times during the long days and many months of recovery. It may be why God allowed it, since otherwise I would have been working and never would have had the time to research. Following an incident where I was unable to be treated in the ER due to it being packed with immigrants getting free health care, I saw that America had gotten dangerous. I didn't go there for a stubbed toe - I went for something serious and the harried hospital staff brushed me off, telling us it would be a 5 hour wait, in spite of repeated and desperate requests by my family and I.
So I began researching why there was this heavy influx of foreigners into America. Several other incidents converged, such as a local foreign Medical Examiner who was found to be falsifying death certificates; I learned that many foreigners were flooding into America on H1-b visas who were using fake medical degrees and weren't even doctors, but someone in our government was allowing it. I began reading of the same influx of refugees into the UK, Germany, Sweden, and Ireland. In spite of mass rapes of young women, the leaders kept allowing refugees to pour into their countries. I knew that something was deeply wrong.
That led me on a circuitous course where I learned about the goals of the New World Order that Bush Sr. spoke of. Then things that I had seen happening made sense and God began to show me how it fit with Revelations. I am still learning but your statement that "The problem is they don't do any research..." is a bald-faced lie. Scripture says "The wise man makes his way sure" and "Study to show thyself approved." That is the criteria I follow when reading and researching any new material.
Satan is the great deceiver. We see how he deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and we see how he has deceived down through the ages. Of necessity we have to be wary of any material we read and any person that we listen to. So too, we have to likewise be wary of any individual who loudly claims that only HE knows the truth. No one else studies as long and as hard as HE does. One thing I have learned through 40 years of learning and experience is that there are many deceived people; even pastors. I also know that even I could be deceived. I also know that you could be deceived. Therefore judicious studying and discernment is paramount and believers who want to avoid being deceived know that they must study carefully, with prayer, and with discernment.
Early on in my walk with God I was badly misled by the "name it and claim it" false teachers. "Send in your seed-faith gift today to be blessed" and other lies caused me much confusion early on. But we know who the author of confusion is. I don't know why God allowed me to go through that but He must have had a purpose. One day I burned everything I had accumulated over several years from those false teachers. I determined to let God show me who was sound and who was not. With God's help I developed discernment: "who have their senses trained by reason of use." I used it and I began to flip off the TV or radio when something was said that sounded "off" to me. I began to be wary of anyone claiming to be "Christian." And a little at a time my discernment became more sensitive. I think that even extremely prolific students of the Word can be misled by smooth talkers, but I came to respect my own discernment and found that I was able to read ministries fairly well with God's help.
Your dismissal of other believers' studying: Nancy, Phoneman, and mine as "surfing conspiracy sites and watching 100's of hours of conspiracy youtube videos" is concerning. First of all, the meanness that you say it with is not at all reflective of the spirit of Christ's who you claim to follow, and second of all, you infer that only your research or viewpoints are correct, which means that others' are therefore incorrect. That strikes me as prideful and pharisaical: as in Luke 18:11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."
A discerning believer can learn a lot about others on here merely by reading their posts: how they treat others, etc. And we know that nothing is hidden from God: "all things are naked and open unto Him with whom we have to do."
You go on to claim: "God help them, its not a good pattern & the same individuals often have difficulty picking out those who preach sound doctrines too, & have itching ears. Few seem to have developed critical thinking skills & commonsense."
You fail to realize that God may indeed be helping them and opening their eyes to the truths that He wants to share, however misaligned they are with your own views. Acts 17:11 states: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Have you ever considered that those who have read this verse and have tried hard to study as the Bereans have may have exceeded your own times of study and that may be why you therefore hold differing views?
I don't mind intelligent discourse; it helps to clarify our own views, show us alternate viewpoints and interpretations, and helps iron to sharpen iron. But when someone who claims to be a Christian exhibits an unchristian and disrespectful attitude towards a fellow believer (?) for no other reason than to exalt themselves above another I question their motives. Ones motives usually come clear in time and we're often more transparent to other believers with discernment than we'd care to realize.
I hope that you consider these things going forward. It's good to share viewpoints and be sharpened as long as it's done in a respectful way.
Your words are blatantly false. I have researched these issues in-depth. Following an unfortunate incident where I became incapacitated for several years, all I did while recovering was to read and research for hours every day, 7 days a week. I studied the bible for 40 years and believe that God led me into a study of the end times during the long days and many months of recovery. It may be why God allowed it, since otherwise I would have been working and never would have had the time to research. Following an incident where I was unable to be treated in the ER due to it being packed with immigrants getting free health care, I saw that America had gotten dangerous. I didn't go there for a stubbed toe - I went for something serious and the harried hospital staff brushed me off, telling us it would be a 5 hour wait, in spite of repeated and desperate requests by my family and I.
So I began researching why there was this heavy influx of foreigners into America. Several other incidents converged, such as a local foreign Medical Examiner who was found to be falsifying death certificates; I learned that many foreigners were flooding into America on H1-b visas who were using fake medical degrees and weren't even doctors, but someone in our government was allowing it. I began reading of the same influx of refugees into the UK, Germany, Sweden, and Ireland. In spite of mass rapes of young women, the leaders kept allowing refugees to pour into their countries. I knew that something was deeply wrong.
That led me on a circuitous course where I learned about the goals of the New World Order that Bush Sr. spoke of. Then things that I had seen happening made sense and God began to show me how it fit with Revelations. I am still learning but your statement that "The problem is they don't do any research..." is a bald-faced lie. Scripture says "The wise man makes his way sure" and "Study to show thyself approved." That is the criteria I follow when reading and researching any new material.
Satan is the great deceiver. We see how he deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and we see how he has deceived down through the ages. Of necessity we have to be wary of any material we read and any person that we listen to. So too, we have to likewise be wary of any individual who loudly claims that only HE knows the truth. No one else studies as long and as hard as HE does. One thing I have learned through 40 years of learning and experience is that there are many deceived people; even pastors. I also know that even I could be deceived. I also know that you could be deceived. Therefore judicious studying and discernment is paramount and believers who want to avoid being deceived know that they must study carefully, with prayer, and with discernment.
Early on in my walk with God I was badly misled by the "name it and claim it" false teachers. "Send in your seed-faith gift today to be blessed" and other lies caused me much confusion early on. But we know who the author of confusion is. I don't know why God allowed me to go through that but He must have had a purpose. One day I burned everything I had accumulated over several years from those false teachers. I determined to let God show me who was sound and who was not. With God's help I developed discernment: "who have their senses trained by reason of use." I used it and I began to flip off the TV or radio when something was said that sounded "off" to me. I began to be wary of anyone claiming to be "Christian." And a little at a time my discernment became more sensitive. I think that even extremely prolific students of the Word can be misled by smooth talkers, but I came to respect my own discernment and found that I was able to read ministries fairly well with God's help.
Your dismissal of other believers' studying: Nancy, Phoneman, and mine as "surfing conspiracy sites and watching 100's of hours of conspiracy youtube videos" is concerning. First of all, the meanness that you say it with is not at all reflective of the spirit of Christ's who you claim to follow, and second of all, you infer that only your research or viewpoints are correct, which means that others' are therefore incorrect. That strikes me as prideful and pharisaical: as in Luke 18:11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."
A discerning believer can learn a lot about others on here merely by reading their posts: how they treat others, etc. And we know that nothing is hidden from God: "all things are naked and open unto Him with whom we have to do."
You go on to claim: "God help them, its not a good pattern & the same individuals often have difficulty picking out those who preach sound doctrines too, & have itching ears. Few seem to have developed critical thinking skills & commonsense."
You fail to realize that God may indeed be helping them and opening their eyes to the truths that He wants to share, however misaligned they are with your own views. Acts 17:11 states: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Have you ever considered that those who have read this verse and have tried hard to study as the Bereans have may have exceeded your own times of study and that may be why you therefore hold differing views?
I don't mind intelligent discourse; it helps to clarify our own views, show us alternate viewpoints and interpretations, and helps iron to sharpen iron. But when someone who claims to be a Christian exhibits an unchristian and disrespectful attitude towards a fellow believer (?) for no other reason than to exalt themselves above another I question their motives. Ones motives usually come clear in time and we're often more transparent to other believers with discernment than we'd care to realize.
I hope that you consider these things going forward. It's good to share viewpoints and be sharpened as long as it's done in a respectful way.
Last edited:
CoreIssue
Well-Known Member
I do not doubt you have done a lot of research.
The issue I found is the sources you have picked trust, which I have known to you more than once should not be trusted.
CI - you have to study it on your own. Islam is a threat - anyone with half an eye can see that. But the Vatican invented Islam. For what purposes I'm not exactly sure yet. I am not claiming to know everything; only what God has revealed to me so far. I believe from what I read is that when culture is at each others throats (various groups fighting against one another) the "hero" will come on the scene and promise peace. That may be why the Vatican invented Islam.
The Man of Sin
Please see our 2300 DAY PROPHECY OF DANIEL which complements this study.
In 2 Thessalonians 2, the apostle Paul speaks of the rise of a "man of sin" who would sit in the "temple of God" showing himself to be like God, and exalting himself into the place of Christ Jesus on earth. This man of sin was already revealed hundreds of years ago during the great Protestant reformation. But because of blindness to the truth and the deceptions of Satan, the mainstream Christian churches have all pretty much rejected the great truths that God revealed during the reformation. So here, we reveal them again for those who have eyes to see.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 ...'Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.'
Now what does it mean to sit in the temple of God, showing himself to be like God? Well, we know from Hebrews 8:4-5 and Hebrews 9:24 that the earthly temple (tabernacle), which God instructed Moses to make in the Old Testament was a COPY of the original temple in heaven where Jehovah resides. So let's find out from the temple sanctuary that Moses made what God's throne is like.
Exodus 25:17-19 ...'And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.'
This is the description of the articles in the most holy place of the sanctuary. We have the mercy seat, which represents the throne of God. And either side of God's throne are two golden cherubim. And remember, this is a COPY of the actual throne of God in heaven. So in heaven, God has two living cherubim either side of His throne. And Ezekiel 28:12-17 confirms that Lucifer (Satan) used to be one of those "covering cherubs".
Psalm 99:1 ...'The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.'
Revelation 20:11 ...'And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.'
What is the "temple" today?
Acts 7:48 ...'Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet.'
1 Corinthians 3:16 ...'Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?'
2 Corinthians 6:16 ...'And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.'
1 Peter 2:5 ...'Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.'
This simple truth is overlooked by so many today. When we look for that man of sin, we should not be looking for someone to be sitting in a rebuilt temple in Israel. No, the temple of God today, as Paul and Peter confirmed, is THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. So the man of sin we are looking for is someone SITTING IN THE 'PROFESSED' CHRISTIAN CHURCH, showing himself that he is "like God" and exalting himself to a position where he should not be.
So we are looking for someone WITHIN the Professed Church, sitting on a throne, acting like he is "as God"
Above are pictures of the last two Roman Catholic Popes, Francis and Benedict, sitting on a "great white throne", BETWEEN TWO GOLDEN CHERUBIM, being called HOLY FATHER, which is reserved for God alone, putting themselves in place of God on earth and exalting themselves to a position where they should never be.
The word "anti" in antichrist also means "IN PLACE OF" Christ. Now look at the following quote from John Paul II:
"The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who TAKES THE PLACE of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." (John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994).
NO ONE can take the place of our Blessed Saviour, no one! But the man of sin 'tries' to take His place!
POPE FRANCIS OFFERS 'ABSOLUTION OF SIN' FOR WOMEN WHO ABORT - Absolution of sin is something that God alonecan do. But the pope tries to take the place of God on earth!
So many people are looking in the wrong place for antichrist. We need to look in the professed Christian church. We need to be looking at a religious system that has put itself IN PLACE OF Christ on earth. This is antichrist.
Now what else does Paul say about this man of sin? He calls him the "son of perdition". Did you know there is only one other person in the Bible with that name? JUDAS! (John 17:12). Yes, that DECEIVER FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH! God is letting us know that the man of sin would be just like Judas. Someone who is counted as "one of us", but works for Satan.
Now are we saying that Popes Francis and Benedict are the man of sin? Yes, but it is not JUST THEM. It involves all previous and future Popes who have exalted themselves into this same position and also the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. The man of sin involves the whole SYSTEM of the Papacy. Just take a look at some of these quotes from the Papal Church ...
"The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous)
"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958)
For more pompous and blasphemous quotes from the Roman Church, see this page.
Jesus Christ told us to call no man on earth our "Father" (Spiritual Father) for we have only ONE Father who is in heaven (Matthew 23:9). The Papacy says, call the Pope HOLY FATHER!
Jesus Christ says that salvation is ONLY found through Himself (Acts 4:12). The Papacy says that salvation is ONLY found through the Roman Catholic Church!
Jesus Christ told us through Jeremiah not to make offerings to or worship the "Queen of Heaven". The Papacy ENCOURAGES it's followers to make prayers, offerings and worship to the Queen of Heaven (The Roman Catholic Mary).
The Roman Catholic Church is so clearly an apostate church.
Friends, the Bible reveals the clear truth about who the antichrist is. All of the Protestant reformers knew the truth about the man of sin and the Bible antichrist. Yes, this is an unpopular teaching, but it's the TRUTH. And if we decide to turn away from truth just because it will make us unpopular, then we are in effect turning away from Christ Jesus.
See THIS SHOCKING LIST of Vatican crimes against children!
Satan is setting up a major deception for the last days, and he is using the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church to implement it. Please seek the truth and live by it. We are living in perilous times.
The word "anti" in antichrist also means "IN PLACE OF" Christ. Now look at the following quote from John Paul II:
"The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who TAKES THE PLACE of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." (John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994).
NO ONE can take the place of our Blessed Saviour, no one! But the man of sin 'tries' to take His place!
POPE FRANCIS OFFERS 'ABSOLUTION OF SIN' FOR WOMEN WHO ABORT - Absolution of sin is something that God alonecan do. But the pope tries to take the place of God on earth!
So many people are looking in the wrong place for antichrist. We need to look in the professed Christian church. We need to be looking at a religious system that has put itself IN PLACE OF Christ on earth. This is antichrist.
Now what else does Paul say about this man of sin? He calls him the "son of perdition". Did you know there is only one other person in the Bible with that name? JUDAS! (John 17:12). Yes, that DECEIVER FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH! God is letting us know that the man of sin would be just like Judas. Someone who is counted as "one of us", but works for Satan.
Now are we saying that Popes Francis and Benedict are the man of sin? Yes, but it is not JUST THEM. It involves all previous and future Popes who have exalted themselves into this same position and also the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. The man of sin involves the whole SYSTEM of the Papacy. Just take a look at some of these quotes from the Papal Church ...
"The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous)
"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958)
For more pompous and blasphemous quotes from the Roman Church, see this page.
Jesus Christ told us to call no man on earth our "Father" (Spiritual Father) for we have only ONE Father who is in heaven (Matthew 23:9). The Papacy says, call the Pope HOLY FATHER!
Jesus Christ says that salvation is ONLY found through Himself (Acts 4:12). The Papacy says that salvation is ONLY found through the Roman Catholic Church!
Jesus Christ told us through Jeremiah not to make offerings to or worship the "Queen of Heaven". The Papacy ENCOURAGES it's followers to make prayers, offerings and worship to the Queen of Heaven (The Roman Catholic Mary).
The Roman Catholic Church is so clearly an apostate church.
Friends, the Bible reveals the clear truth about who the antichrist is. All of the Protestant reformers knew the truth about the man of sin and the Bible antichrist. Yes, this is an unpopular teaching, but it's the TRUTH. And if we decide to turn away from truth just because it will make us unpopular, then we are in effect turning away from Christ Jesus.
See THIS SHOCKING LIST of Vatican crimes against children!
Satan is setting up a major deception for the last days, and he is using the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church to implement it. Please seek the truth and live by it. We are living in perilous times.
I'm still studying the reason why the Vatican invented Islam, and here is one explanation:
How the Vatican created Islam
How the Vatican created Islam
No it may not be absurd. Research it for yourself. The Jesuits are an evil group and somehow the creation of Islam fits into their unholy plans. I'm still trying to put the pieces together but I know that the Vatican/ Jesuits have done much evil and figure into Revelations somehow.
Secret Vatican Briefings on The Creation of Prophet Muhammad - Alberto Rivera, Former Jesuit Priest
Some don't believe that Islam was invented by the Vatican: The Catholic Church Did Not Invent Islam - Walid Shoebat
But one thing I know is that the Vatican is something evil. I'm unsure just yet how it all fits together. I'm still learning.
When I see this Pope, raw evil jumps out from his eyes. I think it's the Holy Spirit within recoiling.
Last edited:
A Pope throwing the triple 6.
Revelation 13:18
“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
Revelation 13:18
“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
I do agree with many of your observations Sovereign, I just don't believe that 911 was a false flag. I view things / current events , politics etc..through the lense of Bible prophecy and we are warned of increased violence, increase in evil, a falling away, and a tendency towards being spiritual but unholy and isn't that what we see with the influx of new age spiritual invading the western culture? Sadly people , especially the younger generations think they are 'woke', they think they are diverse, more tolerant , and ultra-spiritual but they are intolerant & rejecting the God of the Bible.
I think it's okay if we disagree and I appreciate your kind tone. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have it figured out just yet. All I know is that God has opened a measure of the truth during the long days of recovery; research that I would never have done otherwise. But the way that God has opened truths to me since becoming a believer 40 years ago is a little light at a time:
"Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little." (Isaiah 28:9-10).
I see Christians bickering over Scripture - and sometimes quite vociferously. I would never sacrifice truth to get along; the truths that God has shown me that I am 100% on. On the other hand I'm not going to beat anyone over the head because their views don't align with mine. I feel that if we're both true believers then God will bring either their views or mine into alignment. I think that believers need to stop fighting amongst ourselves since we're facing down an evil society and that would be accomplishing the objectives of the evil one. I read that demons are assigned to every church; of course one objective would be to sidetrack believers into doctrinal fighting.
I do see the fulfilling of Bible prophecy and most Christians believe that the end is not far off. But if you do in-depth research on Bush (Dubya) you'll see that he belonged to Skull & Bones. It's not some fraternity joke - those that are indoctrinated into it are fooling with the occult. The devil isn't some cartoon character running around in a red suit with a pitchfork; he is a malignant enemy out to inflict as much evil and harm as he can. If you see how it's been planned to move America into the North American Union much like what was done in the UK you'll see that those objectives have been accomplished through the use of false flags. Our country has committed much evil against its own citizens already. I urge you to read up on the dark history of testing on prisoners, Lyme disease as being invented in an army lab and tested on American citizens (one such place was Punta Gorda FL) and gases being released in the subways of NY. Ugly past of U.S. human experiments uncovered
Is it so far of a leap to think that the same individuals in the highest offices of our land who are satanists, would harm its own citizens to bring about the New World Order? To me its not.
I'm shocked that our pastor, upon the death of Bush Sr. asked us to "pray for the Bush family since he was a professing Christian." Really? Since when did WORDS mean anything? "By their FRUITS ye shall know them." I was disappointed that even Pastors are going along with a lie. If he had done even cursory research he would learn the occult nature of the Skull & Bones:
Skull And Bones Exposed!
Last edited:
If you take the time to follow all the loose threads you'll see the pattern. Occult members sign to others through flashing hand signs and Dubya flashed the occult hand signs repeatedly, dismissing it as being "Texas steer" sign. Yes and hell is just a sauna. If you then look up all the world leaders and former Presidents and the Pope you'll find them ALL flashing the same satanic hand signs. Trump does the same triple six repeatedly. ALL HE DOES IS TALK AND LIE. HE IS FULFILLING THE DICTATES OF THE JESUITS. I WISH CHRISTIANS WOULD OPEN THEIR EYES. HE IS LYING.
War with Iran has been planned for years
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies... is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” (Carroll Quigley)
As a writer and researcher of Marxist propaganda and psychological manipulation of human behavior, I have been critical of President Trump. I have written many articles suggesting that Trump is not the conservative many people believe him to be. I have highlighted his support for red flag gun laws, his unconstitutional bump stock ban and the fact that many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
War with Iran has been planned for years
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies... is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” (Carroll Quigley)
As a writer and researcher of Marxist propaganda and psychological manipulation of human behavior, I have been critical of President Trump. I have written many articles suggesting that Trump is not the conservative many people believe him to be. I have highlighted his support for red flag gun laws, his unconstitutional bump stock ban and the fact that many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
The mainstream media does an excellent job of portraying a constant conflict between Trump and the liberals so that most people believe Trump is working for them. The more the Democrats object to Trump the more his base supports him, even though he is advancing the leftist agenda. A good example is the NAFTA deal and the U.N. education plan Devos signed. Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Accord, for example, which really had no force of law behind it, solidifying in his supporter’s mind that he is working against leftist objectives. He then went on to support the new NAFTA and Devos signed on with the U.N. Both policies push the same objectives as the Paris Accord. Another example is Trump pulling out of the U.N. Arms treaty after banning bump stocks and supporting red flag gun laws.
Many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
I have written many times about the dangers of that treaty however; it was never ratified and had no real force of law. Trump pulling out of it, however, assures his second amendment base that he is on their side while he is still pushing anti-gun policies himself.
Psychologists have figured out long ago that people can be easily conditioned. In most cases, the convictions that people hold are not easily broken. My book, Psychopolitics in America: A Nation Under Conquest discusses this in detail. What people are taught tends to stick with them. In the case of Trump, Americans were taught early on that he was the last hope America had. After eight years of Obama and the prospect of a Clinton presidency Americans believed it.
"Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled, they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen." -----Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810
Many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
I have written many times about the dangers of that treaty however; it was never ratified and had no real force of law. Trump pulling out of it, however, assures his second amendment base that he is on their side while he is still pushing anti-gun policies himself.
Psychologists have figured out long ago that people can be easily conditioned. In most cases, the convictions that people hold are not easily broken. My book, Psychopolitics in America: A Nation Under Conquest discusses this in detail. What people are taught tends to stick with them. In the case of Trump, Americans were taught early on that he was the last hope America had. After eight years of Obama and the prospect of a Clinton presidency Americans believed it.
"Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled, they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen." -----Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810
Last edited:
Alinsky said in Rules for Radicals that people can be brought to accept almost anything if they are brought to a point of absolute desperation and face no prospects for the future. Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis on Saul Alinsky. I would also like to remind everyone that she was also an attendee at Trumps wedding. Front row seats.
In March of 2017, shortly after President Trump took office, I wrote this article highlighting the fact that he was deploying troops to Syria in accordance with the Project New American Century war doctrine. The links used in that article have been taken down and little remains to be found, except for this article describing what the Project New American Century is. Essentially, it was a plan designed to take out seven middle eastern countries; Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and IRAN. These wars were planned more than twenty years before their execution, using the September 11 terror attacks as the pre-text for initiating them. President Obama dropped bombs in five of these countries during his term in office proving the quote by Quigley to be factual. There are certain policy objectives that will be met whether a leftist Democrat is in office or a so-called conservative Republican.
Earlier this month President Trump deployed a carrier strike group and a fleet of B-52 bombers to the Persian Gulf in response to a series of threats made by Iran. Most of his base support this move even though war with Iran would devastating consequences. Russia, China and Iran have been forming a military alliance to counter what they view as, western aggression.
Is Trump’s deployment to Iran in response to a genuine threat or is it in fact a continuation of war plans that were written up years ago to change the land scape of the middle east and project U.S. power in the region?
I have written many times about the dangers of that treaty however; it was never ratified and had no real force of law. Trump pulling out of it, however, assures his second amendment base that he is on their side while he is still pushing anti-gun policies himself.
Psychologists have figured out long ago that people can be easily conditioned. In most cases, the convictions that people hold are not easily broken. My book, Psychopolitics in America: A Nation Under Conquest discusses this in detail. What people are taught tends to stick with them. In the case of Trump, Americans were taught early on that he was the last hope America had. After eight years of Obama and the prospect of a Clinton presidency Americans believed it.
In March of 2017, shortly after President Trump took office, I wrote this article highlighting the fact that he was deploying troops to Syria in accordance with the Project New American Century war doctrine. The links used in that article have been taken down and little remains to be found, except for this article describing what the Project New American Century is. Essentially, it was a plan designed to take out seven middle eastern countries; Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and IRAN. These wars were planned more than twenty years before their execution, using the September 11 terror attacks as the pre-text for initiating them. President Obama dropped bombs in five of these countries during his term in office proving the quote by Quigley to be factual. There are certain policy objectives that will be met whether a leftist Democrat is in office or a so-called conservative Republican.
Earlier this month President Trump deployed a carrier strike group and a fleet of B-52 bombers to the Persian Gulf in response to a series of threats made by Iran. Most of his base support this move even though war with Iran would devastating consequences. Russia, China and Iran have been forming a military alliance to counter what they view as, western aggression.
Is Trump’s deployment to Iran in response to a genuine threat or is it in fact a continuation of war plans that were written up years ago to change the land scape of the middle east and project U.S. power in the region?
I have written many times about the dangers of that treaty however; it was never ratified and had no real force of law. Trump pulling out of it, however, assures his second amendment base that he is on their side while he is still pushing anti-gun policies himself.
Psychologists have figured out long ago that people can be easily conditioned. In most cases, the convictions that people hold are not easily broken. My book, Psychopolitics in America: A Nation Under Conquest discusses this in detail. What people are taught tends to stick with them. In the case of Trump, Americans were taught early on that he was the last hope America had. After eight years of Obama and the prospect of a Clinton presidency Americans believed it.
"Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled, they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen." -----Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810
Sunday, May 12, 2019
War with Iran has been planned for years[/paste:font]
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies... is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” (Carroll Quigley)
As a writer and researcher of Marxist propaganda and psychological manipulation of human behavior, I have been critical of President Trump. I have written many articles suggesting that Trump is not the conservative many people believe him to be. I have highlighted his support for red flag gun laws, his unconstitutional bump stock ban and the fact that many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
In Defense of Our Nation
Sunday, May 12, 2019
War with Iran has been planned for years[/paste:font]
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies... is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” (Carroll Quigley)
As a writer and researcher of Marxist propaganda and psychological manipulation of human behavior, I have been critical of President Trump. I have written many articles suggesting that Trump is not the conservative many people believe him to be. I have highlighted his support for red flag gun laws, his unconstitutional bump stock ban and the fact that many of his polices advance leftist objectives. The new NAFTA for example, strengthens global governance of trade in the region pushing us closer to globalist vison of a North American Union. Another example is the fact that education secretary, Betsy Devos, has signed us onto the U.N. education initiative which pushes the objectives of sustainable development onto our children.
In Defense of Our Nation
Last edited:
Similar threads
