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(Kriss;57836)
Whats the point if God has not yet judged anyone why would he break his own word and tell us this information ?we know Judas repented and are we to assume then that his repentance wasn't accepted? Is this Gods message? that only some repentance is accepted?I just think it requires alot speculation to believe this.God judges by ones heart after Satan left Judas do you really believe his heart was so evil that God rejected his repentance? This is what you have to speculate is true.
I dont think anyone is so evil that God would all together reject their repentance. Once again- this goes back into did Judas try to recieve repentance from men in his own actions or from God. It also goes back to- Judas had the Choice to follow Jesus- God did not trap him into some deal....in this context of John, Judas COULD fit it.Might I add this scripture(s)?Matthew 12:31- Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.Matthew 12:32 - And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.*Ahem*Matthew 27:3 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,Matthew 27:4 - Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.(Red_Letters88;57838)
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Im saying it was Satan that entered Judas God says there is only one Son that is condemned to utter destruction already and that is Satan the same person as in 2 Thess ONE is ONE all of the rest of us including Judas are judged at the White throne Judgement So if there is only one already Judged to utter destruction and that is Satan we are speaking of this same person in John an 2 Thess. and Rev.By your own words which I agree with we do not necessarily know if Judas will be Judged to hell eternally But that's exactly what perdition means .... utterly destrotyed/ forever condemed .... There is only One already given this fate.
Btw something caught my attention in this post: you say it was SATAN that entered Judas- making me think you might have come to the conclusion that the only one that did real evil here was satan. Didnt Jesus say woe to those that are used to bring sin into the world. We all know satan is full of lies and evil- but there is much blame on who he used as well. You can not say this person was merely kidnapped by satan in the flesh. I now understand why you think believers can be possessed (if memory serves me correctly)- because it wouldnt line up with your take on Judas' stance with God.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
(Kriss;57836)
Whats the point if God has not yet judged anyone why would he break his own word and tell us this information ?we know Judas repented and are we to assume then that his repentance wasn't accepted? Is this Gods message? that only some repentance is accepted?I just think it requires alot speculation to believe this.God judges by ones heart after Satan left Judas do you really believe his heart was so evil that God rejected his repentance? This is what you have to speculate is true.
I dont think anyone is so evil that God would all together reject their repentance. Once again- this goes back into did Judas try to recieve repentance from men in his own actions or from God. It also goes back to- Judas had the Choice to follow Jesus- God did not trap him into some deal....in this context of John, Judas COULD fit it.Might I add this scripture(s)?Matthew 12:31- Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.Matthew 12:32 - And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.*Ahem*Matthew 27:3 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,Matthew 27:4 - Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.(Red_Letters88;57838)
(kriss;57832)
Im saying it was Satan that entered Judas God says there is only one Son that is condemned to utter destruction already and that is Satan the same person as in 2 Thess ONE is ONE all of the rest of us including Judas are judged at the White throne Judgement So if there is only one already Judged to utter destruction and that is Satan we are speaking of this same person in John an 2 Thess. and Rev.By your own words which I agree with we do not necessarily know if Judas will be Judged to hell eternally But that's exactly what perdition means .... utterly destrotyed/ forever condemed .... There is only One already given this fate.
Btw something caught my attention in this post: you say it was SATAN that entered Judas- making me think you might have come to the conclusion that the only one that did real evil here was satan. Didnt Jesus say woe to those that are used to bring sin into the world. We all know satan is full of lies and evil- but there is much blame on who he used as well. You can not say this person was merely kidnapped by satan in the flesh. I now understand why you think believers can be possessed (if memory serves me correctly)- because it wouldnt line up with your take on Judas' stance with God.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.