DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL

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Doug

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Not everything is pretty much "spelled out" in scripture, but I cannot see where Paul did not preach baptism and all doctrine he himself learned.
You have chosen some good verses CNKW3.
I don't understand this attitude going around lately with some trying to separate Paul's gospel from the others.
The scripture you noted is quite clear.
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Paul received revelations from Christ and these revelations were not found in scripture; they are further revelations. Paul's gospel by revelation is to be separated as the one to be believed for salvation.
Paul did not preach baptism for the remission of sins.
 

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Paul received revelations from Christ and these revelations were not found in scripture; they are further revelations. Paul's gospel by revelation is to be separated as the one to be believed for salvation.
Paul did not preach baptism for the remission of sins.

Hi Doug,
Perhaps Paul did not expect to go back to the elemental s of baptism? He certainly acknowledges it; as he does a ton of other things Jesus had said. I just think he is speaking to the already baptized?
Romans 6:3 "Paul says,

3. "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body just as you were called to one hope when you were called to one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
  1. 2 Corinthians 12:21, "I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced." I don't know a lot about about this so, these are just my observations :) God Bless!
 
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Hi Doug,
Perhaps Paul did not expect to go back to the elemental s of baptism? He certainly acknowledges it; as he does a ton of other things Jesus had said. I just think he is speaking to the already baptized?
Romans 6:3 "Paul says,

3. "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body just as you were called to one hope when you were called to one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
  1. 2 Corinthians 12:21, "I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced." I don't know a lot about about this so, these are just my observations :) God Bless!

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Paul when he spoke of baptism in Romans 6:3 and Ephesians 4 was speaking of the baptism of the Spirit not water baptism. The Spirit, when we believe the gospel, takes us from where we are now, in Adam, and places us in Christ.
Just so you know....thanks for responding.
 
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I don't know if you missed this post:
Israel was to call upon the name of the Lord. Israel had to receive Jesus as their Messiah, as the Son of God to be saved, they had to believe on his name (John 20:31).

In Acts 2 Peter, speaking to Israel (men of Judea) was relating Pentecost to the fulfillment of Joel and the last days before the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. In Acts 2:21 it was then that Israel was to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation.
Where do you get that “Israel” is the only one that has to call on the name of the lord? Acts 2:17 says that in the last days the Spirit would be poured out on ALL flesh. That is both Jew and gentile.
John 20 says the same thing as John 3:16. Are now saying John 3:16 is only for the Jews?
 
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Paul when he spoke of baptism in Romans 6:3 and Ephesians 4 was speaking of the baptism of the Spirit not water baptism. The Spirit, when we believe the gospel, takes us from where we are now, in Adam, and places us in Christ.
Just so you know....thanks for responding.
But the Romans were baptized in water. And in Rom 6:3,4 Paul uses “us” and “we” because just like the Romans he too was baptized in water. And how in the wild world of sports does Spirit baptism look like a burial and resurrection. Nancy, don’t lose your common sense when you study the Bible.
 

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Where do you get that “Israel” is the only one that has to call on the name of the lord?
From the prophecy of Joel 2:32 which speaks of the remnant before the day of the Lord. Now that is not to say the remnant did not include believing Gentiles.

Acts 2:17 says that in the last days the Spirit would be poured out on ALL flesh. That is both Jew and gentile.
That is correct, Jew and Gentile, as I said above but it is the remnant of Israel which included Gentiles.
This is not speaking of Gentiles in todays church.

John 20 says the same thing as John 3:16. Are now saying John 3:16 is only for the Jews?

John 3:16 was for Jew and Gentile salvation in that dispensation but not today. There is nothing of the cross only believing Christ was Messiah, Son of God.
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I answered above
 

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But the Romans were baptized in water. And in Rom 6:3,4 Paul uses “us” and “we” because just like the Romans he too was baptized in water. And how in the wild world of sports does Spirit baptism look like a burial and resurrection. Nancy, don’t lose your common sense when you study the Bible.
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Where does it say water?
In Mark 1:8 it plainly says water
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
In fact, it also says there is a baptism with the Holy Ghost!!!!
 
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But the Romans were baptized in water. And in Rom 6:3,4 Paul uses “us” and “we” because just like the Romans he too was baptized in water.

And how in the wild world of sports does Spirit baptism look like a burial and resurrection.

AND HOW DO WE LOOK LIKE WE ARE RAISED AND MADE TO SIT IN HEAVENLY PLACES Ephesians 2:6


Nancy, don’t lose your common sense when you study the Bible.
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Answered above
 

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Where does it say water?
In Mark 1:8 it plainly says water
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
In fact, it also says there is a baptism with the Holy Ghost!!!!
How did a church start in Rome? Individuals from Pentecost in the dispersion who went back home. Those in Rome would have been converted in the first part of acts and that was baptism in water.
 

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Where does it say water?
In Mark 1:8 it plainly says water
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
In fact, it also says there is a baptism with the Holy Ghost!!!!
There was a baptism in the Holy Ghost. On the apostles in acts 2 and on Cornelius and his family in acts 10. And both times included the miraculous. You have not had the miraculous work on you today. I’ve been around MANY “Christians” just like you and not a one can validate any kind of miraculous immersion in the HS like took place in acts.
 
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How did a church start in Rome? Individuals from Pentecost in the dispersion who went back home. Those in Rome would have been converted in the first part of acts and that was baptism in water.
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You are right there...and that was before Paul and before the body of Christ was revealed...they were the church of God
 

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There was a baptism in the Holy Ghost. On the apostles in acts 2 and on Cornelius and his family in acts 10. And both times included the miraculous. You have not had the miraculous work on you today. I’ve been around MANY “Christians” just like you and not a one can validate any kind of miraculous immersion in the HS like took place in acts.
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Right.... at Pentecost and the Holy Ghost baptized without water during this event
 

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Right.... at Pentecost and the Holy Ghost baptized without water during this event
yes but that is totally separate to the conversion of the 3000 that were baptized. The apostles were baptized in the HG to impress the audience and to guide the message. Then those in the audience were baptized in water.
 

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You are right there...and that was before Paul and before the body of Christ was revealed...they were the church of God
Yes. The key point is that Paul said WE are buried with him by baptism. He included himself because he to was baptized in water. Romans 6 is talking about water baptism.
 

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But the Romans were baptized in water. And in Rom 6:3,4 Paul uses “us” and “we” because just like the Romans he too was baptized in water. And how in the wild world of sports does Spirit baptism look like a burial and resurrection. Nancy, don’t lose your common sense when you study the Bible.
"Nancy, don’t lose your common sense when you study the Bible." ??
 

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Thought I was talking about the symbolization of baptism...dunk the old man, up with the new?
Yes but Doug responded to one of your post and said rom 6 was about Spirit baptism when it is not. You put at the bottom that you liked it.
The baptism under consideration is a burial and resurrection which is exactly what happens in water baptism. That is why I said don’t lose your common sense cause many do. I’m amazed at the people that throw common sense out the window when they open the Bible.
 
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Yes. The key point is that Paul said WE are buried with him by baptism. He included himself because he to was baptized in water. Romans 6 is talking about water baptism.
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I don't find water baptism in Romans 6 but rather being baptized by the Spirit. We are to reckon we are buried and risen with Christ to walk in newness of life and walk after the Spirit by the word of God.

If you see water baptism we can leave it at that.
 

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I don't find water baptism in Romans 6 but rather being baptized by the Spirit. We are to reckon we are buried and risen with Christ to walk in newness of life and walk after the Spirit by the word of God.

If you see water baptism we can leave it at that.
Ok. Just stop watching Les Feldick. He doesn’t teach the truth. Example of his misleading way of teaching. He started a study on Mt 24 and he started by saying....ok let’s drop in at verse 4. He then proceeded to destroy the meaning and teaching of Mt 24. You CANNOT understand Mt 24 without understanding the first 3 verses. They set up then entire chapter and he skipped them. He skipped them so he could establish his own narrative. That is as corrupt as you can be. He does the same with Paul.
 
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