MARK 6:3 DID JESUS HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ?

BreadOfLife · May 14, 2019

Jon Mathews said:
It is clear from the contextual reading of Mark 6:3 that Jesus was the son of Mary and brother to James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon. The Pharisees clearly knew it, and because they saw nothing special about him, they were offended. Jesus had biological step brothers. Anyone who reads Mark 6:3 can clearly see this. There were at least 4 Mary's in Jesus' following, and 3 James'. But it's plain and clear that Jesus had brothers and sisters... the other children of his Mother Mary. I won't argue this point any further. It's too plain and obvious.

This is a silly argument because YOU are ascribing some sort of special knowledge to the Pharisees - that they "clearly knew" that Jesus had siblings. They ALSO referred to Jesus as the "carpenter's son" - when WE know that is NOT true.

Your argument sinks like a brick here . . .

The plain fact of the matter is that NOWHERE in Scripture do we see ANYBODY referred to as Mary's child - OTHER than Jesus.

101G · May 14, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
I wasn't talking about the Latin Vulgate, einstein - I am talking about the original Koine Greek that the NT is written in.
The plain facts are that:
a) Acts 6:8 states that Stephen was full of GRACE (Charitos) - not faith (Pistis).
b) Mary is described as Kecharitomene, not Gratia Plena.

Learn about the original Biblical languages instead of constantly embarrassing yourself with these asinine arguments that don't make ANY sense.

Nope, vain babbling.

PICJAG.

BreadOfLife · May 14, 2019

101G said:
Nope, vain babbling.

PICJAG.

How is what I said "vain babbling"??

The pathetic reality is that YOU just don't have a valid argument because I pretty much SQUASHED your entire position with a simple linguistics lesson . . .

101G · May 15, 2019

you're saying the same thing over and over, nothing to add to support your view. we read those translation, but it have nothing to do with stephen being full of Grace. nor Mary.... lol...

like we said if you want to just talk, vain babbling, that's what facebook and tweeter is for, Good day

PICJAG.

Jon Mathews · May 15, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
This is a silly argument because YOU are ascribing some sort of special knowledge to the Pharisees - that they "clearly knew" that Jesus had siblings. They ALSO referred to Jesus as the "carpenter's son" - when WE know that is NOT true.

Your argument sinks like a brick here . . .

The plain fact of the matter is that NOWHERE in Scripture do we see ANYBODY referred to as Mary's child - OTHER than Jesus.

Jesus had 1/2 brothers and sisters... siblings by His mother Mary and adoptive father Joseph. Everyone who knew His family and lived in Nazareth during Jesus' time knew that. That is why they were offended at His claims to be the Son of God... because they knew His family and didn't think much of Him.

Jon Mathews · May 15, 2019

Marymog said:
Why is it false? Because YOU say it's false? Other men greater than you have interpreted Scripture OPPOSITE of you on this matter. Sooooo if anyone disagrees with you they have a false belief?

False because the Scripture plainly says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Anyone who takes an unbiased reading of Scripture can tell you this.

BreadOfLife · May 16, 2019

Jon Mathews said:
Jesus had 1/2 brothers and sisters... siblings by His mother Mary and adoptive father Joseph. Everyone who knew His family and lived in Nazareth during Jesus' time knew that. That is why they were offended at His claims to be the Son of God... because they knew His family and didn't think much of Him.

No - YOU are adding to Scripture what is NOT there.
You are assuming that "everyone knew" that Jesus had siblings.

The Bible NOWHERE even implies this.

Marymog · May 16, 2019

Jon Mathews said:
False because the Scripture plainly says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Anyone who takes an unbiased reading of Scripture can tell you this.

If it was so plain to see this debate would not have been going on for 1,900 years.

Calvin, Luther, Zwingili, the author of the book of James, Ambrose and hundreds of other men that have studied Scripture can't see plainly but YOU can. Fascinating.....

I am willing to bet you agree with Calvin, Luther and Zwingili on other interpretations of Scripture. I guess on those interpretations they were thinking clearly???..... they just got this one wrong....

Mary

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

Marymog said:
I haven't heard from you in awhile......You crack me up....

Hi Mary, I like you.

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
No - I just know how to READ my Bible.
YOU should try it sometime . . .

I don't read the Watchtower.

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Sure.

The Greek word is kecharitomene that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” It is used by the Angel as a title – a name.
The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.” He said, Hail, Kecharitomene.”

Jerome translated this title as “Gratia plena” (full of grace).
He could HARDLY write, “Hail, completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result.”

“Full of grace” was simply the most concise way of explaining the above definition. He probably didn’t think that it would be an issue.

I'm confused.
Why should we ask her to pray for us?
Can she hear us?
Can she see us?
What's up with that?

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
WRONG again.

YOUR problem, as usual is a complete ignorance of God's sacred Word. The word used to describe Stephen in Acts 6:8 is χάριτος (Charitos) which means "GRACE". The Greek word for "faith" is πίστις (pistis).
LEARN the original languages before posting and embarrassing yourself any further.

Once again - I don't know if you have a mouse in your pocket - but who is "We"??
I only see these idiotic arguments coming from YOU . . .

If you interpret Greek the way you interpret English, then you are doubly wrong.

BreadOfLife · May 17, 2019

Rollo Tamasi said:
I don't read the Watchtower.

First of all - I'm not a JW

Secondly - the JW Bible is called the New World Translation, not the Watchtower, Einstein . . .

BreadOfLife · May 17, 2019

Rollo Tamasi said:
If you interpret Greek the way you interpret English, then you are doubly wrong.

How so, Einstein??

BreadOfLife · May 17, 2019

Rollo Tamasi said:
I'm confused.
Why should we ask her to pray for us?
Can she hear us?
Can she see us?
What's up with that?

According to Heb. 12:1 and Rev 5:8 she can.

Don't you ever READ the Bible??

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

Witnesses are explained in Hebrews 11:2-38;
They testify to the Word of God
Revelation?
In your dreams...

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
How so, Einstein??

Excuse me, your statement above is correct proper English.
Where did you learn to do that?
Or are you just getting lucky?

Rollo Tamasi · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
First of all - I'm not a JW

Secondly - the JW Bible is called the New World Translation, not the Watchtower, Einstein . . .

Published by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
Go ahead, try to separate them.

Ya know, I think you are a Jehovah's Witness.

CoreIssue · May 17, 2019

Marymog said:
Thank you..

It is clear and plain and obvious to other men who have read the same thing you have read that you are wrong. So ONCE AGAIN what makes your opinion valid and the opinion of the person who wrote the The Protoevangelium of James wrong? Calvin, Zwingili and Luther's opinion of Scripture is opposite of yours. Why are the three of them wrong and you right?

Mary

All three believed in errors.

tzcho2 · May 17, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
No - YOU are adding to Scripture what is NOT there.
You are assuming that "everyone knew" that Jesus had siblings.

The Bible NOWHERE even implies this.

Lies of your religion again. Well of course the RCC will deny it fiercely because it's their bread & butter, the house of cards , their whole pray to Mary the heavenly virgin myth falls apart if they agree the Bible states Jesus had brothers & sisters born from Mary & husband Joseph.

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