The false gospel of grace

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Episkopos

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Its maybe much safer to make sure everyone keeps a safe enough distance from men like Paul and the Holy Spirit. Just ask Saphira and Ananias! (Did I get their names right?)


..better to remain safe with a paper God...(bible only) than risk an encounter with the living God. o_O
 

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..better to remain safe with a paper God...(bible only) than risk an encounter with the living God. o_O

We men are pretty predictable aren't we? If we approach the mountain we will die, and we don't even want to hear God speak because its too frightening so YOU tell us what God said...And cover your face too because it terrifies us that you glow after you hear from Him...
 

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..better to remain safe with a paper God...(bible only) than risk an encounter with the living God. o_O

What makes you think that those who insist on the discipline of the word over experience are opposed to "an encounter with the living God"? I had such an experience and I am very grateful that I did have it. One way to test whether the experience is a real encounter with God (vs. a demonic encounter) is if it ignites a greater passion for God and especially His word. The devil will never draw humans to the word of God because he knows that they will be much more able to see through his schemes if they are Bible literate. Out of my direct encounter with God, I developed a passion for His word--and before that, I was a lackluster Bible student (at best).
 

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you will never convince them that the KJV is "superior" (it really isn't).

It really is. And I also wouldn't disparage the younger generation like that.

It is the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth--not any specific translation.

He can do a better job of relating the truth to us if we are reading a translation that has His words in it as He desires for us to hear them.

If the way that the words are related is corrupted, then perhaps He can still relay His message...just not specifically through the words in question. He would have to supernaturally testify that what He means by certain verses in certain translations is something other than what you might be reading in that translation.

And of course, He has actually done this with me in the past, showing me that there was a doctrine that is so much more easily found in the kjv but which is still findable (with a lot more work) in the nkjv.

My response was to switch to the kjv where His message is more easily found.
 

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It really is. And I also wouldn't disparage the younger generation like that.



He can do a better job of relating the truth to us if we are reading a translation that has His words in it as He desires for us to hear them.

If the way that the words are related is corrupted, then perhaps He can still relay His message...just not specifically through the words in question. He would have to supernaturally testify that what He means by certain verses in certain translations is something other than what you might be reading in that translation.

And of course, He has actually done this with me in the past, showing me that there was a doctrine that is so much more easily found in the kjv but which is still findable (with a lot more work) in the nkjv.

My response was to switch to the kjv where His message is more easily found.
KJV versus Modern Translations
 

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What makes you think that those who insist on the discipline of the word over experience are opposed to "an encounter with the living God"? I had such an experience and I am very grateful that I did have it. One way to test whether the experience is a real encounter with God (vs. a demonic encounter) is if it ignites a greater passion for God and especially His word. The devil will never draw humans to the word of God because he knows that they will be much more able to see through his schemes if they are Bible literate. Out of my direct encounter with God, I developed a passion for His word--and before that, I was a lackluster Bible student (at best).

I think maybe Satan would prefer that a man have scripture than he have a relationship with Jesus and His Spirit. Satan knows men and he knows scripture and can twist it all sorts of ways to convince a man that he understands it when he absolutely doesn't.

Look at all the men who spent their entire lives, even from young childhood, with a focus on Gods written word and yet Jesus told them, your mistake is that you don't know scripture and you don't know God.

Can you imagine devoting your entire LIFE to that study and then to be told that?? And their reaction was to run around, following, harassing and arguing with Jesus and the men who actually DID encounter and intimately know Him. They said, what will we do?? Now everyone will follow HIM instead of our interpretations!
 

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I think maybe Satan would prefer that a man have scripture than he have a relationship with Jesus and His Spirit. Satan knows men and he knows scripture and can twist it all sorts of ways to convince a man that he understands it when he absolutely doesn't.
Well, there's an old saying: "Word alone, you dry up; "Spirit" alone, you blow up; Word and Spirit, you grow up." Both the word of God and the Word of God are essential in living out what God encourages us to live. Psalm 119:105--->"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." What it doesn't say is that it is what puts you on the path in the first place. That is by the Spirit of God--and He goes where He wants to go. The word is necessary to keep us from being seduced by "every wind of doctrine" or even the "doctrine of demons". But it is obviously not all that is needed. Otherwise, the religious authorities would not have caused the crucifixion of the Lord of Glory.

Look at all the men who spent their entire lives, even from young childhood, with a focus on Gods written word and yet Jesus told them, your mistake is that you don't know scripture and you don't know God.
Exactly so. You can only really know Scripture by the Holy Spirit.

Can you imagine devoting your entire LIFE to that study and then to be told that?? And their reaction was to run around, following, harassing and arguing with Jesus and the men who actually DID encounter and intimately know Him. They said, what will we do?? Now everyone will follow HIM instead of our interpretations!
Their hearts were definitely not right before God. They were following their father, the devil--who knows Scripture better than any human and he is VERY skillful at twisting it. He hates God and His word, as well as His Word, who is the Living Word as well as the Light of the World.
 
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Theosis is much more than that--it suggests that in merging with God, we become a "little god". I believe there is now a prosperity gospel preacher who preaches that (is it Creflo Dollar?--yes, that is his real name:rolleyes:).

I think Benny Hinn teaches that too. But that's not what I meant, thank you for your clarification!

Much love!
 
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Your title is "The False Gospel of Grace". What then is your Gospel? What is the Good News you are preaching to everyone? What do you say the Gospel is?
 

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....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.



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