Logical and Dialectical Reasoning in Scripture

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
Wafer,

You didn't answer my questions.

You talk about 'invisible rules' but they aren't invisible when you require them to write any sentence. What are the subject, nouns, verbs, prepositions, adjectives, adverbs, predicate, prepositional phrase, clauses, etc. Where should commas, colons, semi-colons and full stops (periods) go? All of these rules are required for us to communicate on CyB.

Oz

I C (Weiner; nevermind tho) that wafer has preferred a response to yur post, but i'd like to add this um b4 i read that, this b4 that lol, in case the point does not get made that, um, what was the point, dang. Ah, something about those rules are really just conventions maybe

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
Where should commas, colons, semi-colons and full stops (periods) go?

Read something once by Truman Capote--who i'm not big on--that had me in awe, but he was somehow able to communicate other levels of info simply by the odd placement of a comma

OzSpen said:
All of these rules are required for us to communicate on CyB.

ha depending upon your def of "communicate" i guess OS, and while we are at it, what is CyB? Here, you mean, CB? And oh what do you mean by "req'd?" Are you sure they are "all" required?

Ps btw this is why we--you and i--don't converse too much i guess, ok; i don't think you are a bad person at all, just evil ok, no offense. All the "it has to be this" and "that is required" and "this is how it will be tomorrow, without question" just make communication with someone else quite difficult imo, see. Bc i am evil too of course, i wanna say that too yeh, but i can't so I get pissed, which is not drunk where i live so we have that goin on too, what "rule" is that bro?

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

Determinists are all going to burn in hell forever and ever, see, and i would just as soon be the one striking the match lol. This is just like that. J/k of course, i have no idea

Wafer · May 19, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
i dunno.

Well that's nice, but you sure took a heaven of a lot of words to say that.

Wafer · May 19, 2019

Words, grammar, punctuation, and spelling are clothes for your thoughts. If you clothe your thoughts like bums, don't be surprised when people assume you have bum thoughts.

OzSpen · May 19, 2019

Wafer said:
You are muddling several subjects. Did anybody ever tell you that prepositions are not good words to end a sentence with? That is not a rule, it is an opinion formed by Latin students and carried over to English. The fallacy is that it is impossible in Latin. English has no such rule. English "rules" are no more than a list of the ways people talk, and people freely invent new ways all the time. So your "rules" of grammar are not only invisible, they are constantly changing.

You want to talk rules? All bible students agree that Ephesians chapter 3 has several parentheses, but nobody so far has sorted out the rules well enough to mark them all for sure. God makes your silly rules of grammar look like lame jokes.

"So, are both truth and error correct?"
A cleverly constructed bit of nonsense. The topic is logic, and logic can support whichever you prefer.

"When we compare the various solutions to getting rid of the congestion on the freeways around Brisbane, Australia, is that a legitimate activity?"
I have no information about freeways there.

"What is wrong with comparing the various interpretations of the Book of Revelation? Is that or is that not a necessary part of biblical interpretation?"
Interpretations arise when someone doesn't know something. For instance, most people do not know that The Revelation is addressed to Jewish synagogues, so it contains Jewish expressions which have no meaning to goyim.

"When I compare worldviews to arrive at a solution to which belief system matches reality, am I engaging in a legitimate dialectic?"
You are merely rewording the concept of logic. "Worldview" can be anything you want it to be. It does not have to relate to reality.

Wafer,

You don't seem to understand that when you or I write sentences we use logic to understand what they mean:

Sentence Logic and Punctuation

Sentences communicate information from the writer to the reader. Correct grammar and syntax ensure that the information is conveyed unambiguously. Grammar establishes certain rules for writing and speech; syntax involves the order and relationship of the words in the sentence. Grammar is the electronic wiring that makes the telephone work. You cannot connect any wire to any other wire and expect that the machine will work. Similarly, you cannot put words in any order in the sentence and expect the sentence to communicate.

Grammar and syntax have a logic- if the reader is to understand the meaning of the sentence then that logic has to be followed. Note that we can ask questions of every word in a correct sentence, and we can find the answer to that question in the sentence.

Poor grammar and syntax (floating pronouns and floating participles etc) throw the reader off balance. The reader asks, “what is this word doing in the sentence” and can find no answer and so has to try to guess what is in the writer’s head.

So, good editing means checking that all the parts of the sentence say something precisely and clearly: that is, the words conform to the logic of the sentence.

If the writing is not logical, then the reader will not be convinced of the logic of the analysis.

Oz

OzSpen · May 19, 2019

Wafer said:
You are muddling several subjects. Did anybody ever tell you that prepositions are not good words to end a sentence with? That is not a rule, it is an opinion formed by Latin students and carried over to English. The fallacy is that it is impossible in Latin. English has no such rule. English "rules" are no more than a list of the ways people talk, and people freely invent new ways all the time. So your "rules" of grammar are not only invisible, they are constantly changing.

Wafer,

Oxford Living Dictionaries disagrees with you about ending sentences with prepositions:

Did anybody ever tell you that prepositions are not good words to end a sentence with? That is not a rule, it is an opinion formed by Latin students and carried over to English.

You can read more about ending sentences with a preposition on the Oxford Dictionaries blog (2019. s.v. Grammar: Ending sentences with prepositions).

Oz

OzSpen · May 19, 2019

Wafer said:
Words, grammar, punctuation, and spelling are clothes for your thoughts. If you clothe your thoughts like bums, don't be surprised when people assume you have bum thoughts.

They are necessary to express your thoughts, especially in writing.

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

Hmm, your def of "necessary" there, in your dictionary which number is that under?

Wafer said:
Well that's nice, but you sure took a heaven of a lot of words to say that.

Well my apologies i'm um not on drugs right now lol, plus i was asking you a question there, which was fairly difficult to locate from your trackback (4th para, bottom, i'm pretty sure) which suggests a really neat software update for xenforo where trackback snips are highlighted when you click the trackback, which is that hidden little button next to "______ said:" that you may not even know about yet, and xenforo strongly resists my software applications--I can't even get my batchfiles to work here?--and i don't know if they have a trackbot on their name like google does, but this is for...that, lol. Welcome to assburger's.

So iow fwiw you may not choose to follow up here on the Q or whatever but google has already ripped me off like 4 times, no commish or nothing lol, not even a ty?

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

Wafer said:
Words, grammar, punctuation, and spelling are clothes for your thoughts. If you clothe your thoughts like bums, don't be surprised when people assume you have bum thoughts.

Ok nice but at the same time bums look just like vagabonds, wanderers, to most ppls Two Eyes too right

"A rolling stone gathers no moss"
Proverbs 24:16 Rising Again
which is srsly full of probs, lots of self-testifying, etc, obv written by a Beleiver, but good enough to be perfect too i guess

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

but i came back to say i'm not yet convinced that Logic is "bad" necessarily, Logic will get you to the moon...but i dunno if it will get you to the son

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
You don't seem to understand that when you or I write sentences we use logic to understand what they mean:

Wadr OS what would it take to get you to stop that, Bc wisdom is hidden from the wise, and revealed to little children i think is what that is within. Do you ask little kids what their solution would be in order to follow it no matter what (too), or for a little chuckle bro. They are just trying to get along!

Warning but also pretty obv doing that first one is gonna be...expensive, lol. Cost me a man...a whole house. Ok no time for false humility i guess, it cost me a mansion, that had no mortgage on it either, even tho it was like given to me pretty much

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
If the writing is not logical, then the reader will not be convinced of the logic of the analysis.

Ah ty, that is a perfect explanation for why i write like this,
so iow that is this ok.
Hope i can find this or that later, can't think of a keyword to insert of.
God's nonsense is better maybe

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
Oxford Living Dictionaries disagrees with you about ending sentences with prepositions:

Ah and who owns them i wonder, Bc Paul i know and Christ i know of.
narf
But you i will be following.
For a reply, i mean.
yikes, only 45 more to go, who knew lol

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

OzSpen said:
You can read more about ending sentences with a preposition on the Oxford Dictionaries blog (2019. s.v. Grammar: Ending sentences with prepositions).

Hmm you could also let the blind lead the blind and whack off them butt-suckers heads too, i guess. Ok have a nice Sun day ok, you no doubt rest on the first day of the week i guess, and sing "When...well, you know

brakelite · May 19, 2019

So @bbyrd009 in your dialectical estimation a Christian who is firm in his/her confidence that heaven awaits the redeemed after the resurrection/second coming and who is both vegan and an environmentalist who takes care to divide the garbage from the recyclables etc is illogical? I ask in response to...

bbyrd009 said:
Also you say "choosing what you prefer to believe" which i certainly can't disagree with, but it might also (even as a rule perhaps) be choosing what we (all) prefer to do? Iow if i have decided that logically since i am going up to heaven after i have died (better yet, "we" are all going up to heaven after "we" have died, undefined "we" to be...extracted later), + the "end" of resources on earth will bring Armageddon even maybe, = it is perfectly fine to burn "fossil" fuel and buy and consume stuff (in 2 or 20 minutes) from nonbiodegradable plastic that will still be here in 2000 or 20,000 years, stuff like that.

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

brakelite said:
So @bbyrd009 in your dialectical estimation

Ok the way i currently get it, as soon as you ask me a Q, ask for my estimation, we are engaged in a dialectic fwiw ok. Now we might be proceeding from the logical or "Satan's" or the Hegelian dialectic, this is that no you are wrong that is this, or the Eastern or "Naive" dialectic, both of us, or one of us doing one and the other doing the other, but we are engaged in "estimations" or a dialectic right now iow, imo. For example since you did not say something like "So bbyrd since your estimation is so obviously _________," we are currently both using Naive dialectic, although either of us could flip any second

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

brakelite said:
a Christian who is firm in his/her confidence that heaven awaits the redeemed after the resurrection/second coming

Btw i'm not breaking these out to increase my post count lol, but Bc imo there are several separate concepts that have been introduced by you, and i envision that someday someone might choose to follow up on one ok.

Herenow you have introduced...a phrase that you (all) interpret one way, homo, no offense, whereas i do not yet know, hetero, so now we are divided, so now i have to SiT see, and who will interpret? So i will proceed for now from your pov ok, the one that requires Two Eyes, and Looking Up, no offense.

Bc i already got resurrected, see, i didn't really hear what Preach said when i was getting raised either, see, but i caught enough of the last bit to...be curious, i guess? And when i get curious about something it's like fuggedaboudit lol, i am going to find out, i am going to prolly drive someone insane with all my questions until i am satisfied. I am going to find someone who says that they know and then find out what they know and don't know (although see i am lying now, having to lie, Bc i don't do this anymore, that i mean, except for here, irl I look for other curious ppl who do not know now; i look for ppl who have eaten what is it)

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

brakelite said:
and who is both vegan and an environmentalist who takes care to divide the garbage from the recyclables etc is illogical?

Hmm. Well, good fruit does not come from bad trees, right, irl i don't generate garbage or recycle, or eat much--as a rule i um just don't eat literal food much lol, enough to slow down the weird looks a little now--but i'm trying to...stay in your frame here, so i'll say that now you have asked my opinion of someone else's "logic," and i don't feel qualified to judge that wadr, and fwiw irl i no longer have opinions about others in that context either, as weird as that prolly sounds.

I, um, generate opinions about others, other ppls determined assertions here bc i am talking with Believers...or i guess more often at them as it turns out, but anyway, yes, to answer your Q, i could certainly make a case for lack of logic there, somewhere, if i chose i guess.

So, to bite down really hard, just for you,

bbyrd009 · May 19, 2019

brakelite said:
So @bbyrd009 in your dialectical estimation a Christian who is firm in his/her confidence that heaven awaits the redeemed after the resurrection/second coming and who is both vegan and an environmentalist who takes care to divide the garbage from the recyclables etc is illogical?

yes

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