Neither Calvinism or Aminianism

1stCenturyLady · May 18, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Not willfully sinning does not mean not sinning at all.

Paul makes it very clear that we will all sin until we lose this flesh. It is called the old nature flesh.

When reading the Bible you must be careful to identify the audience. Are they born again, are they unsaved but believe in Christ, as Satan does? Are they just church attendees that are not saved?

The seven churches of Revelation makes it very clear one can belong to a church without belonging to Christ.

Yes, there is other sin that is not willful called trespasses Leviticus 5:15. And it is possible for a born again Christian to commit these unintentional sins, and the blood of Jesus cleanses them. 1 John 1:7. However, it is also possible that a Christian can follow the Spirit so closely that they don't even commit trespasses. John says so in 1 John 2:1. For those unintentional sins Jesus is our Advocate, but not for willful sin. (1 John 5:16-17 shows the difference.) That is rebellion against God. And if one commits these sins of lawlessness after being sanctified (filled with the Spirit), belief in OSAS certainly will not matter. Our only assurance comes to those who continually walk in the Spirit, endure to the end, and who do the will of the Father 1 John 3:18-23. It is the only way to be righteous or even holy. Revelation 22:11

There are many in churches that have NEVER truly repented and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit - the power to not willfully sin. Those that fall into that category are not saved anyway, and they WILL willfully sin because they have never been born again of the Spirit. Their old man, the carnal nature is still in control. I'm not talking about them. Their teachers in the same boat will say things like, "sin is sin" and "all sin is willful" and "we will always sin until we shed our bodies of flesh." That is the blind leading the blind. They are still in the drawing stage of their life regarding the Spirit. They even call Jesus their Lord, but He will say to them, "I never knew you." They MUST REPENT AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, because only those who have been born again of the Spirit and continue to the end will be saved.

That is why I am against anyone teaching that willful sin cannot separate you from God. It is a teaching of the devil. There is assurance, but the blanket OSAS teaching of Baptists and Reformed denominations is deceitful. We do have free will, which they also deny.

CoreIssue · May 19, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
Yes, there is other sin that is not willful called trespasses Leviticus 5:15. And a born again Christian will commit these unintentional sins, and the blood of Jesus cleanses them. 1 John 1:7. For those unintentional sins Jesus is our Advocate, but not for willful sin. That is rebellion against God. And if one commits these sins of lawlessness after being sanctified, belief in OSAS certainly will not matter. Our only assurance comes to those who continually walk in the Spirit, endure to the end, and who do the will of the Father 1 John 3:18-23. It is the only way to be righteous or even holy. Revelation 22:11

There are many in churches that have NEVER truly repented and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit - the power to not willfully sin. Those that fall into that category are not saved anyway, and they WILL willfully sin because they have never been born again of the Spirit. Their old man, the carnal nature is still in control. I'm not talking about them. They are still in the drawing stage of their life regarding the Spirit. They even call Jesus their Lord, but He will say to them, "I never knew you." They MUST REPENT AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, because only those who have been born again of the Spirit and continue to the end will be saved.

That is why I am against anyone teaching that willful sin cannot separate you from God. It is a teaching of the devil. There is assurance, but the blanket OSAS teaching of Baptists and Reformed denominations is deceitful. We do have free will, which they also deny.

Not biblical

1stCenturyLady · May 19, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Not biblical

You mean it is not according to your false teachers of false doctrine that you've bought hook line and sinker. You can't even refute this which is full of scripture, just make a lame statement, "not biblical."

CoreIssue · May 19, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
You mean it is not according to your false teachers of false doctrine that you've bought hook line and sinker. You can't even refute this which is full of scripture, just make a lame statement, "not biblical."

Who says you are correct?

1stCenturyLady · May 19, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Who says you are correct?

The Word of God intact. Not adding, "including oneself" to one scripture to make it say what your false teachers tell you.

CoreIssue · May 19, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
The Word of God intact. Not adding, "including oneself" to one scripture to make it say what your false teachers tell you.

It is adding including oneself. You wish to add excluding oneself when it says nothing in all creation.

Are you not part of creation?

1stCenturyLady · May 19, 2019

CoreIssue said:
It is adding including oneself. You wish to add excluding oneself when it says nothing in all creation.

Are you not part of creation?

You are indulging your human carnal reasoning. How do you explain Hebrews 10:26-31 if it is not possible as you foolishly claim?

CoreIssue · May 19, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
You are indulging your human carnal reasoning. How do you explain Hebrews 10:26-31 if it is not possible as you foolishly claim?

Hebrews 10:26-31 New International Version (NIV)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”a]">[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”b]">[b] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is not addressing a born-again Christian.

We already have what Christ. We already have the Holy Spirit. We are not enemies of God.

Sanctification being set apart. It does not mean salvation.

Hebrews was written to the Jews, not the church.

CoreIssue · May 19, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
You are indulging your human carnal reasoning. How do you explain Hebrews 10:26-31 if it is not possible as you foolishly claim?

I am simply reading while the passage.

Nothing in all creation means nothing, no one, anything.

But you want to say something.

1stCenturyLady · May 19, 2019

CoreIssue said:
I am simply reading while the passage.

Nothing in all creation means nothing, no one, anything.

But you want to say something.

It is interesting you use a thought for thought translation, rather than a word for word translation. Those thoughts are biased. That says a lot about your wanting to know what your teachers say rather than what God means. What you are also saying is that assurance of salvation is only at the end of your life, and not upon sanctification, so why all the talk of OSAS? Did I misread your thoughts?

So what do you think of 1 John 3:5-9?

farouk · May 21, 2019

1stCenturyLady said:
It is interesting you use a thought for thought translation, rather than a word for word translation. Those thoughts are biased. That says a lot about your wanting to know what your teachers say rather than what God means. What you are also saying is that assurance of salvation is only at the end of your life, and not upon sanctification, so why all the talk of OSAS? Did I misread your thoughts?

So what do you think of 1 John 3:5-9?

I guess it's hard for a translation to express thoughts without words, so I don't really understand what thought for thought translation means. (I think formal equivalence makes sense...)

amadeus · May 21, 2019

farouk said:
I guess it's hard for a translation to express thoughts without words, so I don't really understand what thought for thought translation means. (I think formal equivalence makes sense...)

A good [God alone being good] translation must be translated by a person(s) who is led by the Holy Spirit as he translates.

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