"That Wicked" has problems!

Earburner said:

Nope! Wrong again! I am not SDA.
SDA are looking for mandatory Sunday worship.

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Earburner said:

I have been seriously studying on four words in 2 Thes. 2:8-9, using both the KJV/Strong's and the Young's concordance: specifically the words "that Wicked", and "even him"
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I am not looking at any other bible versions, because they are translated from the Wescott & Hort Greek text- 1881. All of such translations purposely and specifically cause the reader to falsely learn that 2 Thes. 2:8 is in the singular, as being one man.
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In the 1611 KJV, it is very possible that a wrong word was used, being the word "that". If so, then in 1611, it could it have been done so, in order to give support to a popular false belief at that time, the Pope being antichrist.
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In the Textus Receptus Greek- 1512, ["the" wicked] is used and not ["that" wicked].
However, in the 1611- KJV, the opposite is expressed, being ["that" Wicked].
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Secondly, now that we may have a wrong word of "that" being used, I can see why the word "Wicked" is written with an upper case "W". It's done so as to force the reader to see it in the singular.
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At that time, during the Protestant Reformation period, it was commonly held by most Protestant churches, that the Pope was "the" Antichrist.
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However, if the word "the" was used, and the word "wicked" was without an upper case "W", then the entire context of 2 Thes. would be interpreted in perfect harmony, and in the plural.
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The word "Wicked" is found in the Strong's, but it is NOT found in the Young's concordance.
I have learned that when the Young's Concordance omits a word, it's because the word was purposely inserted by the translators of the KJV.
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Conclusion:
The correct word to be used in that scripture is "the" and not "that", and therefore a capital "w" for "wicked" would not have been used as being necessary.
When the upper case "W" is used, it denotes the singular. When it's not, the plural is relevant to the verse and the context.
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So now, having said that, let's read 2 Thes. 2:8 in a portion of the context, with the acceptable changes:
[ 7 ] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[ 8 ] And then shall [the wicked] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[ 9 ] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[ 10 ] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[ 11 ] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[ 12 ] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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OK, we are not done yet. I have found that the words "Even him", are also suspect of being an insertion by the translators. Those words are not found in the Textus Receptus Greek text. Nor are they found in Young's concordance or the Strong's.
Those words are an insertion by the KJV translators also, being evident to give support to the erroneous words "that Wicked".

So, are we looking at a fabrication, or an oversight in translation?
Given the fact that the "Protestant Reformation" was in full swing, through Martin Luther, I can see how the translators might give support to such a "just cause". Departing from the RCC was no small matter.
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Since it is "open season" for insertions, then let it be this: "Even them".
At least, it will blend with the plural nature of the context, as well as the context of the KJV New Testament scriptures, specifically the book of 1 John.
So now, let's read it all, with all the acceptable insertions:
[ 7 ] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[ 8 ] And then shall [the wicked] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[ 9 ] [Even them], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[ 10 ] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Now I have a question, is THIS the "strong delusion to believe a lie, that God will send"?
Is "that spirit of antichrist" singular or plural?
No doubt, the wording implies that it is to be read and understood IN THE PLURAL.
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If so many are reading that to be singular, as being one man, is that THE lie that many shall believe??

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Earburner said:

Now where do you think that SDA belief came from? Yes, you guessed it! It came from those manipulated/[inserted] words:"that Wicked", found in the KJV.

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Yes! They still believe that the Pope is "THE" Antichrist.

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And out of that, they have fabricated as many crazy doctrines of belief, as do those who believe in a "pre-trib-rapture"

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Earburner said:

Davy wrote:
1. "Honestly, that speculation is all for naught."

2. "What you've done is to single out a couple of small phrases and claim that as enough Bible witness for your assumption that Paul was speaking of many wicked, instead of a single false one."

3" This is not... about many coming to do these things. It's about a SINGULAR ANTICHRIST figure coming to earth to work miracles to deceive the whole world with..."
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EB's reply:
The truth is a hard pill to swallow, especially when a lie has deep roots, and has taken a firm hold.
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1. "Honestly", what I have discovered, is not speculation, but rather the fact of a slight, but intentional manipulation and insertion of two words, in order to distort the plurality of the context from the plural to the singular.
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The words in question:
"that Wicked", is found as being "the wicked" in the Textus Receptus Greek.
Also, the words "even him", is also an insertion, and therefore, following suit of the previous correction, being the words "the wicked", the plurality of the context is justified, thus concluding that "even him" should be read as being "even them".
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Now, if you question or doubt the veracity of this discovery, then I urge you to discern the continuity of it all, in conjunction with the following scripture, concerning the same topic:
When Jesus returns in the revealed Glory of His 2nd Coming, "in flaming fire", according to 2 Thes. 1:7-10, He will be:
"taking vengeance on THEM that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe....in that day

2. Paul understood it in the plural.
According to 1 Thes. 1:7-10, are you saying that is not in the PLURAL??

3. In ALL of the KJV Bible, you will never find the word "antichrist" as being written in the singular.
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However, for all of the many bible versions, that are translated from the Westcott/Hort Greek text, the words "THE Antichrist" is pasted throughout them.
Consider that amount of manipulation and those insertions!

"THE Antichrist is coming!!" . That fabrication could very well be the "strong delusion to believe a lie".
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Earburner said:

E111, please consider the truth of what I just wrote to "Davy" in the above, in relation to what you wrote:
"The KJV correctly identified him as one man -- that Wicked, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Antichrist."
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Also, consider this:
Why is it that the words "the natural man" (1 Cor. 2:14) are understood in the plural, but when it comes to understanding the words "that man of sin, the son of perdition [to be destroyed]", we understand it in the singular, when the context is in the plural?
2 Thes. 2:3
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Is it not so, that when Jesus returns in flaming fire, all who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Christ shall be destroyed [go into perdition], and we who believed, shall be raised up into Glory with Him, on that Day?
1 Thes. 1:7-10
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Simply put, the truth is before you! Now you must decide if you want to remain in their subtly crafted delusion!

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Earburner said:

You have a vain understanding of what constitutes the "religion" that satan shall involve the whole world with.
Your understanding of "Religion", is to hold to a concept, having to do with worshiping God. Satan does not worship God, but he does worship something else, himself and the only home he has. It's called planet earth, and he will protect and defend it, with every unsaved person right to the end. Rev. 19:19.
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Do you recycle? Do you go green"? Are you concerned about "global warming"? Do you refrain from "illegal dumping"? Do you bury "Hazardous
Material" in your back yard?
Do you promote "Save The Planet" ?
Of course you do!! You wouldn't say otherwise, in public!
"Save the Planet" is now the One World "Religion".

Satan is an Athiest in his own right, and has nothing lose, except himself and his only home, this planet.

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Davy said:

Honestly, that speculation is all for naught.

What you've done is to single out a couple of small phrases and claim that as enough Bible witness for your assumption that Paul was speaking of many wicked, instead of a single false one.

This is not... about many coming to do these things. It's about a SINGULAR ANTICHRIST figure coming to earth to work miracles to deceive the whole world with...

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

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Waiting on him said:

Sounds like Benny Hinn

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Earburner said:

"No strain, no gain".Lol.
Actually, this "strain at a gnat", has proved to be both true, and rewarding!!

Unfortunately, because that error happened 400 years ago, the fallacy of "a one man band, magic man", they call "THE" Antichrist, has some very deep roots, and has even been embedded into the subconscious of the unsaved!
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That should tell you something "right of the bat",
The unsaved cannot know the truth. 1 Cor. 2:14.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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So then, if the unsaved know of "THE" Antichrist to come, and "666", IT CAN'T BE TRUTH, that they would know!!

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Waiting on him said:

Sounds like Benny Hinn

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