Convince me of Annihilationism

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bbyrd009

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One can hardly be described as 'immortal' I think so long as his life is still dependant upon another. Thus while the enduring (eternal IOW) nature of it is guaranteed as a gift, it is by its very nature conditional or subservient to the power that provides for its longevity.
Wadr this strikes me as another evasion bl
a way to say "the part I know and love will indeed exist for ever and ever, Bc Jesus, so that doesn't count as immortal"
 

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I don't consider myself a ranking authority on who is or is not a false prophet and I'm not going to tell you or anyone else here who they follow.

Thanks for your response.

Thank you, and I hope to have been of some assistance to you in your search for truth.
 
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...which was poured out upon the shoulders of Jesus.

"God saw the travail of His soul, and was satisfied. "
An interesting point...

However, since we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2), it precludes that those who do not put their faith in Jesus Christ are not recipients of the grace of our Lord.

Jesus said (John 10:9) that we must enter in through the door.

Those who do not enter in through the door will find themselves in outer darkness.

A few verses to ponder:

Mat 7:21, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

I think also (concerning annihilationism) that if those who are placed in everlasting fire were ever completely burned up, the fire would go out, and would not be everlasting.
 
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So says Ellen G White.
NO NO NO!!! So says ME!!! And I am not ashamed to admit it. Now if YOU think God does deliberately and with malice and aforethought intentionally keep men alive for the sole purpose as to inflict pain and suffering, then prove it. Who in heavens name IS the God you believe in????
 

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NO NO NO!!! So says ME!!! And I am not ashamed to admit it. Now if YOU think God does deliberately and with malice and aforethought intentionally keep men alive for the sole purpose as to inflict pain and suffering, then prove it. Who in heavens name IS the God you believe in????
You are repeating her.
 
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Ha, yes, also a good reflection


you might consider the analogy of walking through a door covered in blood and crossing a sea of reeds into a wilderness to wander akin to falling off a cliff, same with leaving the world. So iow looking up in that sense would still be implied

hmm also wandering too close to a literal reading of some um Central Commands, see, by Christ, might cause a "spiritual" response from us when we want to
Tomorrow is something we can never be sure of that's for sure. However, there is one thing we can be absolutely certain of...all things work together for good to them that love God, and who are called according to His purpose.
Mmmm. God forbid that we should take Jesus too literally huh. Personally, I would far rather submit myself to His changing my mind than seeking an optical remedy. But the literal danger of not doing so is clearly something to be feared.
 
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Wadr this strikes me as another evasion bl
a way to say "the part I know and love will indeed exist for ever and ever, Bc Jesus, so that doesn't count as immortal"
The parts that I formerly have loved, if they aren't dead already, will be shortly by God's grace. Whatever lives later, is whatever God has recreated. I may not love that yet, but I'm sure it'll be okay, because I trust Him.
 
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Boom. All sins are forgiven, right.

YES indeed, believed or not, does not change the truth of The Victory.
It is the Enemy who throws out the IF and wins over God's children with seeds of doubt.
One day all will see The Plan unfolded...God Win's.
 
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NO NO NO!!! So says ME!!! And I am not ashamed to admit it. Now if YOU think God does deliberately and with malice and aforethought intentionally keep men alive for the sole purpose as to inflict pain and suffering, then prove it. Who in heavens name IS the God you believe in????

That is something I would like to know too.
A man who can do nothing but post about cults and people who don't believe like he does, has a big problem. He can only post "against" things...he obviously has a very tiny tiny God...because he hardly ever talks about Him, or about The Lord Jesus Christ.
I remember reading in a Book about the 'Accuser of The Brethren'...
I am hearing that voice all the time now, echoing through this Site.
He is working for the Accuser very well and will get his fair reward.
 
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Revelation 22:15 occurs after creation of the New Heavens and Earth, and it states "but outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie." Why mention those outside the Kingdom in such a way as though they were still practicing these sinful habits after Death and Hell have been cast into the Lake of Fire?

It’s a good question.
 
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You are repeating her.
And you haven't the guts or the stomach to stand up for what you believe by answering my question...does you God deliberately keep people alive for the sole purpose of inflicting pain and suffering?
 

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YES indeed, believed or not, does not change the truth of The Victory.
It is the Enemy who throws out the IF and wins over God's children with seeds of doubt.
One day all will see The Plan unfolded...God Win's.

Are God's children those who believe the Bible?

An interesting point...

However, since we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2), it precludes that those who do not put their faith in Jesus Christ are not recipients of the grace of our Lord.

Jesus said (John 10:9) that we must enter in through the door.

Those who do not enter in through the door will find themselves in outer darkness.

A few verses to ponder:

Mat 7:21, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

I think also (concerning annihilationism) that if those who are placed in everlasting fire were ever completely burned up, the fire would go out, and would not be everlasting.
 

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Are God's children those who believe the Bible?

Goodness, who told you that?? :eek:

The bible is leather , paper , and ink.

My bible says - Rom 10.13 “ For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.“

Do you really believe that only those who posses bibles in the world , can be saved?
Half the people in the world have never read one.

The Bible is not part of the godhead.
 
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I think also (concerning annihilationism) that if those who are placed in everlasting fire were ever completely burned up, the fire would go out, and would not be everlasting.
Is there a scripture that without contradiction says the fire can't go out? It says the fire is unquenchable... Which means it cannot be put out, but it doesn't mean it won't go out when it runs out of fuel.
 
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Those who persist in eternal torment can't take the Bible two ways and think doing so is acceptable. You need to decide which way you want to take scripture. You claim to believe that the wages of sin is death, and believe is so it is. You also claim that eternal torment answers that being a reflection of God justice... so you say.
But what happens to this torment... this"death" you believe means the same thing, after God casts death and the grave into the lake of fire, which you all agree means the end of both? You cannot have the end of death and hell and at the same time have sin's wages continue forever.
 
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Personally, I would far rather submit myself to His changing my mind than seeking an optical remedy.
ha well so we all say I guess.

So then see, you will have a testimony about your going out in the way of the 70, as Christ commanded, imo. Even if it sounds totally diff from mine, since I did it literally. Which don't get me wrong it was instructive, but then I did everything wrong, too, like every, single thing lol. Which imo was the instructive part, maybe even what was intended, dunno. There is surely a way to do that spiritually I guess?
 

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The parts that I formerly have loved, if they aren't dead already, will be shortly by God's grace. Whatever lives later, is whatever God has recreated. I may not love that yet, but I'm sure it'll be okay, because I trust Him.
wouldn't surprise me if Old Age took care of a lot of that ego stuff, tbh. Well it seems to either Does or it Doesnt