Maturity in Christ
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CoreIssue
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Episkopos has said he has six of the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. One being Discernment and one prophecy.
So many times he steps out of the written word to pronounce his revelations.
I know of no other label for this than Gnosticism.
He is like the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics as examples. He believes an extra biblical revelation.
If you disagree with him he says you have a problem because you disagree with him.
Several of us have been told that. So it is not an assumption on our part.
So many times he steps out of the written word to pronounce his revelations.
I know of no other label for this than Gnosticism.
He is like the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics as examples. He believes an extra biblical revelation.
If you disagree with him he says you have a problem because you disagree with him.
Several of us have been told that. So it is not an assumption on our part.
VictoryinJesus
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Only One is acceptable to God.
Luke 12:49-50
[49] I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? [50] But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Cant find the verse right now but there is a passage in the OT where fire comes down from heaven and consumes those near Moses and they cry and beg Moses to quench the Fire that consumes. Remember the name of the place is significant. So here is a question or observation ...not sure which. The Fire of God would consume all IF NOT for His seed, if not for His name sake. His name which walks in the Fire. As you mentioned before ‘pure’; purified seven times. The name of the Lord alone is worthy. No more guessing work there in whose sacrifices are worthy. Isaiah 27:4-5 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together. [5] Or let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me.
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
What better things?
A living God to walk with...yes not just a paper God stuck in a book. The sheer scale of the difference between these.
The bible testifies of an extra biblical (not just paper) God. God is alive and active. Paul received the truth by revelation. As I did...it began with the words of the bible being quickened in me...into a walk in the light where I could see eternal things everywhere. I saw in the Spirit...even things over the heads of people. The bible testifies of a walk in the Spirit...as I have a lot of experience with over the last 40 years or so.
A person who resists this truth resists the Spirit. THAT is also testified of in the bible. So you need more than just a book and an opinion based on an interpretation of a book...no matter how true that book is. It is the Spirit that gives life.
About half the people on this forum have no idea who the Holy Spirit is. Yet we are to walk in victory BY the Spirit...not bible interpretations. The letter kills...as you do...but the Spirit gives life. The sons of God are led by the Spirit.
You see my walk and testimony as something to be avoided, shunned and attacked...but your stance is exactly backwards...unless you work for the opposition..which you do unwittingly.
Do you even know what blasphemy of the Spirit is? When you attribute the precious and holy presence of God (even in a brother) to a demonic incursion...you are damned for it. The fear of the Lord (which you don't know either) preserves your life so that when Jesus is revealed you will not be ashamed.
Consider man's usage and misusage of fire. He cooks his food to the point where is most enjoyable or healthy or some combination thereof on the one hand. He burns up burnable trash. He purifies fine stones and metal through the heat of fire, etc.
Anyone who attempted to entered the garden of Eden had to pass through the Word of God, the flaming sword which cuts two ways. It kills or turns aside anything unclean or defiled or not properly clothes and prepared. On the other hand it trims or purges the excess baggage from those who really look to God for help. People use and misuse the written scriptures depending upon their knowledge and their purpose.
God consumes or burns up that which needs to be burned up, but when we approach God rightly, is it not like coming into a warm living room from the subzero outdoors and move closer to the hearth to feel the soothing wonderful heat which overwhelms any remaining cold within us?
Elijah's confrontation by fire with the 400 other prophets makes it clear how things are. Elijah served God [the real Fire]. Those other prophets serves a false god [the strange fire].
It was not different with Cain and Abel. Cain's offering was effectively not accepted in the same way as the strange fire of Nadab and Abihu was not accepted. The ultimate result of the strange fire for the one that chooses it or uses it is death. The fire of God to an unbeliever or scorner or lazy person is death. The fire of God to a child seeking the warm comfort of a loving parent is something to be sought.
Perhaps the fire that killed the soldiers of Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 3 was the left hand of God while the fire through which the three Hebrews walked with one like the Son of God was the right hand of God.
"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" Matt 25:32-34
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" Matt 25:41
God no longer just consumes our offerings to Him (He is a consuming fire). He consumes US....purifies us...and gives us His life to walk in. That is sanctification.
CoreIssue
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God uses fire when and how he wants.
Nowhere does it say fire was used with Able.. Nor was it used in Temple sacrifices or many others.
Sometimes fire was a sign of acceptance. Sometimes judgment. And sometimes just as a sign From God.
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CoreIssue
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He has appeared in many forms the Bible.
He has appeared as a burning bush. As the angel of God. As three men to Abraham. And as a human figure bursting and glowing with energy.
You cannot define him and limit him to fire.
The Trinity is spirit. You cannot limit him to your perceptions.
Actually, I'd say that the Bible reveals God. The Bible does not send us off into our own minds, but it gives us the Word of God, the Bible, so that through it we can know God, as well as through our own relationship with Him.
But unless our life conforms with what the Bible says, we're wrong, and there's no shame in that, just to say, Oh, I've been mistaken, and to just begin to go the right direction.
Of course God isn't paper! That's just silliness to disguise the truth.
That Book, being written on paper, papyrus, skins, what have you, that Book, that Book is what defines our lives, and who and what we are, and what God reveals to us about Himself.
Oh, there is so much great depth of understanding that we may reach in our lives as we obey what He reveals to us, just the same, we can always - always - see the doctrine in the Scripture without having to resort to, I just know what no one else knows, because God told it just to me. Something you can never find in the text, only in one man's divine revelation.
The Bible reveals God.
Much love!
Mark
CoreIssue
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Agreed!
Yes, indeed and many more than one and many more than three!
Certainly not, I did not try to do so although many would limit Him some indefinable three...
Yet have you tried to do so when you moved from a simple belief in a Trinity to a supposedly an absolute knowledge of a Trinity without which no man may abide with God always?
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways." Haggai 1:7
CoreIssue
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When you are able to address name of God Elohim in meaning and application, we can talk again.
Do not try the plural of majesty. That concept was a European invention. The king or queen speaking in unity with God.
Then without the theology of men is one lost in spite of simply trusting in God? Did Jesus ever discuss the meaning of Elohim or the plural of majesty? Did he ever require that each person study and understand all of these details or be lost? Did he not specify rather two great commandments upon which all else depends?
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:37-40
CoreIssue
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I understand what it all means since uniplurals are used through out the Old Testament.
I don't think you do. Including what Elohim means. Which is also use throughout the Old Testament in the Hebrew.
You may be over your head on this one my friend...I mean knowing what Elohim means and all.
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