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But Trump has not only failed to keep his promise to build a border wall,
It's not over yet. But, personally this crisis is what the Democrats and other treasonist groups within the USA have created, I hope you see that. They want to destroy America and I got to say too many Canadians have been grossly uninformed ,not just about US politics but current world events, and naively still maintained a 'we hate the arrogant Americans' attitude' because of some false sense of moral superiority.
 
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Nehemiah rebuilt a wall for a temple of God. How much more should we have protection for an entire country? Even God gives the ten commandments and laws for protection. Grace doesn't mean we should not protect ourselves. This is a corrupt world. Our houses have a fence. It isnt because we don't care about our neighbors.
Nehemiah built a wall as God directed to separate God's people from the heathen [gentiles]. No matter what any one may say the majority of people in the USA are NOT God's people. What is it we are keeping out and what is it we are keeping in?

Consider the hedge/wall around Job that was taken down to allow satan access. Why did that hedge/wall need to come down rather than be built up?

Saying that we should have protection presumes that we are in some sense better than those on the other side of the wall. Are we really? If we are of Christ, are all of those on the other side of the wall NOT of Christ? Are all of the ones on the inside of the wall of Christ? Who should be drawing a line?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28
 
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Nehemiah built a wall as God directed to separate God's people from the heathen [gentiles]. No matter what any one may say the majority of people in the USA are NOT God's people. What is it we are keeping and what is we are keeping in?

Consider the hedge/wall around Job that was taken down to allow satan access. Why did that hedge/wall need to come down rather than be built up?

Saying that we should have protection presumes that we are in some sense better than those on the other side of the wall. Are we really? If we are of Christ, are all of those on the other side of the wall NOT of Christ? Are all of the ones on the inside of the wall of Christ? Who should be drawing a line?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

God was testing Job, was he not? We would all be in trouble without God's hedge of protection over us.

And no, I definitely agree with you that America is not a Christian nation and we are no better then any other race or people.

But the drug epidemic has already killed many Americans. And gangs run rampant in South America and Mexico. With open borders, how can anyone be helped? And if America has become a non Christian nation, the country as a whole cannot help. America has lost its identity. Men identify as women as children. Women as men. Human trafficking is a norm...and the blood of innocent children are on America's hands. God allowed a king even though he warned the people there would be consequences. With a human king you need walls. And we will need weapons and walls until the return of Christ, because this is a sin sick world.

Edit: As far as Nehemiah goes, it is more a question I am not sure about, because I haven't studied this very deeply. Why would a wall be needed to just separate if not to defend the temple. Because didn't he have to rebuild the temple also already?
 

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our country is so divided, I believe we might fall anyway. The immigration issue is just causing more division.
 

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Nehemiah built a wall as God directed to separate God's people from the heathen [gentiles]. No matter what any one may say the majority of people in the USA are NOT God's people. What is it we are keeping out and what is it we are keeping in?

Consider the hedge/wall around Job that was taken down to allow satan access. Why did that hedge/wall need to come down rather than be built up?

Saying that we should have protection presumes that we are in some sense better than those on the other side of the wall. Are we really? If we are of Christ, are all of those on the other side of the wall NOT of Christ? Are all of the ones on the inside of the wall of Christ? Who should be drawing a line?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28
One of the problems is we don't know who is on the other side of the wall do we? Non-vetted demanding entry, but stats show and increase in drug trafficking , gang violence, and violent crime. Is that a good thing for a country?
 
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God was testing Job, was he not? We would all be in trouble without God's hedge of protection over us.
One thing man gained [if we can call it that]in the Garden of Eden with that first disobedience was recognition that they were naked and a resulting shame. They tried to cover themselves with fig leaves but God recognized that was inadequate and then for a while so He gave them skins. But the skins were insufficient for the long run, so Jesus was sent with a better covering.

But many or even most want no part of the covering Jesus brought. Some have wanted certain parts of it [the parts appearing "good" to them] but they want to straddle the fence so as to get the "best" of both sides. Recall then this verse:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:15-16


For what Jesus thought about it consider the parable of the sower [Mark 4:3-9].

Did Job lose or gain from his experiences in the Book of Job? He lost his material goods but regained as much or more. He lost 10 children, but received 10 more children? If we lose a child we love, can the birth of another child we love make us completely forget the love we had for the first one?

And no, I definitely agree with you that America is not a Christian nation and we are no better then any other race or people.

But the drug epidemic has already killed many Americans. And gangs run rampant in South America and Mexico. With open borders, how can anyone be helped? And if America has become a non Christian nation, the country as a whole cannot help. America has lost its identity. Men identify as women as children. Women as men. Human trafficking is a norm...and the blood of innocent children are on America's hands. God allowed a king even though he warned the people there would be consequences. With a human king you need walls. And we will need weapons and walls until the return of Christ, because this is a sin sick world.

All of this pain is pain for God and as we see things with His eyes, for us. Was it better in the past? Has it been better anywhere in the world of men on planet Earth? The only real solution to any of it, is God. We should not expect Him to fix all of man's troubles and we should realize that man caused those problems by his own decisions. God won't. For you or me or the other guy there is hope when we really look to Him, but when you talk to God about this be careful about what you ask of Him...especially if you have any doubts about what He should do. Some people are certain they know what is needed. Do they really?

Remember how Jesus prayed:

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39
 
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One of the problems is we don't know who is on the other side of the wall do we? Non-vetted demanding entry, but stats show and increase in drug trafficking , gang violence, and violent crime. Is that a good thing for a country?
Is it good for a world to have walls? In the eyes of man, it is a stop-gap measure but certainly in the long not a solution. The problem is in people's hearts. Who is able to fix a person's heart but God?
 
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Is it good for a world to have walls? In the eyes of man, it is a stop-gap measure but certainly in the long not a solution. The problem is in people's hearts. Who is able to fix a person's heart but God?
I thought this was about the southern border crisis?
At some point the too many overwhelm the system and when the whole thing falls apart it won't do them any good to be here.
 
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One thing man gained [if we can call it that]in the Garden of Eden with that first disobedience was recognition that they were naked and a resulting shame. They tried to cover themselves with fig leaves but God recognized that was inadequate and then for a while so He gave them skins. But the skins were insufficient for the long run, so Jesus was sent with a better covering.

But many or even most want no part of the covering Jesus brought. Some have wanted certain parts of it [the parts appearing "good" to them] but they want to straddle the fence so as to get the "best" of both sides. Recall then this verse:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:15-16


For what Jesus thought about it consider the parable of the sower [Mark 4:3-9].

Did Job lose or gain from his experiences in the Book of Job? He lost his material goods but regained as much or more. He lost 10 children, but received 10 more children? If we lose a child we love, can the birth of another child we love make us completely forget the love we had for the first one?



All of this pain is pain for God and as we see things with His eyes, for us. Was it better in the past? Has it been better anywhere in the world of men on planet Earth? The only real solution to any of it, is God. We should not expect Him to fix all of man's troubles and that man caused by his own decisions. He won't. For you or me or the other guy there is hope when we really look to Him, but when you talk to God about this be careful about what you ask of Him...especially if you have any doubts about what He should do. Some people are certain they know what is needed. Do they really?

Remember how Jesus prayed:

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

When a Christian covered by the blood of Jesus sins, is there no consequence for that sin? Of course we are covered by the blood of Jesus when we fall. Our souls are saved from Hell. But Adam and Eve still had to leave the Garden of Eden for disobedience

With Job, he did not sin. God allowed Satan to test him and as you said, he got so much back. But after he was tested, wasn't that hedge of protection back over him? God protects our family/friends/blesses us. If we are living in sin, we may be saved, but we have to deal with those consequences.

So I guess writing through that I see your point that it is a spiritual protection... For spiritual protection, a physical wall does nothing. I think a physical wall can help with physical protection though. When I pray, I pray for God's will to be done and for wisdom concerning how and when I should vote for those regarding this.
 

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I thought this was about the southern border crisis?
At some point the too many overwhelm the system and when the whole thing falls apart it won't do them any good to be here.
It is not a crisis for me. Whatever they do or don't do with that wall will ultimately have no effect on me if I continue to trust God to the end of my course. The details matter to whom and for how long? How is it different from the Mason-Dixon Line?
 
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When a Christian covered by the blood of Jesus sins, is there no consequence for that sin? Of course we are covered by the blood of Jesus when we fall. Our souls are saved from Hell. But Adam and Eve still had to leave the Garden of Eden for disobedience
Yes, they had to leave and in the leaving they lost the possibility of accessing and partaking of that other tree, the Tree of Life, but then remember what Jesus said?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

Jesus renewed man's access to the Tree of Life!

The consequence for the sin of a man who has already really met the Master is more complicated because he has quenched the Spirit of God within... but is he then without hope?

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." Heb 6:4-6


"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" I John 2;1

For judgment God is bound by this verse... but consider also what remains when a person has returned to partake of his own cast aside vomit?

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

With Job, he did not sin. God allowed Satan to test him and as you said, he got so much back. But after he was tested, wasn't that hedge of protection back over him? God protects our family/friends/blesses us. If we are living in sin, we may be saved, but we have to deal with those consequences.
Especially I guess after meeting Jesus and laying claim to the Life He has brought our consequences could be severe. We will stumble but many times this occurs because of our ignorance of what He requires rather than a purposeful disregard for what God thinks about it. God is able to properly judge all such distinctions, is He not?

So I guess writing through that I see your point that it is a spiritual protection... For spiritual protection, a physical wall does nothing. I think a physical wall can help with physical protection though. When I pray, I pray for God's will to be done and for wisdom concerning how and when I should vote for those regarding this.

We cannot help in some measure to focus upon the material world of planet Earth around us, especially when we understand little about our ultimate end with God [if we have such], but as we grow toward God [and we must do this to please Him] what happens to us and even those around us while in this veil of flesh should diminish while the Life Jesus brought should increase:

"He [the new man of me] must increase, but I [the old man of me] must decrease." John 3:30
 
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It is not a crisis for me. Whatever they do or don't do with that wall will ultimately have no effect on me if I continue to trust God to the end of my course. The details matter to whom and for how long? How is it different from the Mason-Dixon Line?

Praise God for that!!!! I think I need to remember this more myself and leave it in God's hands more. I just get angry that President Trump is attacked and blamed for everything. I may dislike his personality, but he has exposed the elephant in the room. Or the donkey in this case...whatever he does or does not get done concerning the border crisis and any other issue, he has surely woken people up to the issues. And he is our president. We need to pray for him. Not counter his every move.
 
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Praise God for that!!!! I think I need to remember this more myself and leave it in God's hands more. I just get angry that President Trump is attacked and blamed for everything. I may dislike his personality, but he has exposed the elephant in the room. Or the donkey in this case...whatever he does or does not get done concerning the border crisis and any other issue, he has surely woken people up to the issues. And he is our president. We need to pray for him. Not counter his every move.
Give God the glory!
 
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...too many Canadians have been grossly uninformed ,not just about US politics but current world events, and naively still maintained a 'we hate the arrogant Americans' attitude' because of some false sense of moral superiority.
I agree with what you are saying, and I reject the phony superior attitude of many Canadians (particularly from Ontario and Quebec) who also happen to be liberal and live in fantasyland. I do follow American conservative reports on what is happening in the States, since I have a vested interest in the USA. And this is not misinformation:

DEMS REORGANIZE IMMIGRANT INVASION OF US SOUTHERN BORDER
The migrant caravan is back!
Millie Weaver | Infowars.com - APRIL 26, 2018
Infowars reporter Millie Weaver covers breaking news that the large group of Honduran immigrants, which were disbanded after Trump ordered the National Guard to help protect the border, have returned.

This group of immigrants, claiming to be seeking asylum and organized by the group ‘People Without Borders,’ have been reorganized by Democrat operatives and George Soros-funded NGOs.
Dems Reorganize Immigrant Invasion Of US Southern Border

So the questions remain:
Why isn't George Soros behind bars?

And why have the Democrats not been charged for attempting to violate immigration laws?

And why has the National Guard not been more effective in turning back migrant invaders?
 

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Yes, they had to leave and in the leaving they lost the possibility of accessing and partaking of that other tree, the Tree of Life, but then remember what Jesus said?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

Jesus renewed man's access to the Tree of Life!

The consequence for the sin of a man who has already really met the Master is more complicated because he has quenched the Spirit of God within... but is he then without hope?

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." Heb 6:4-6


"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" I John 2;1

For judgment God is bound by this verse... but consider also what remains when a person has returned to partake of his own cast aside vomit?

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48


Especially I guess after meeting Jesus and laying claim to the Life He has brought our consequences could be severe. We will stumble but many times this occurs because of our ignorance of what He requires rather than a purposeful disregard for what God thinks about it. God is able to properly judge all such distinctions, is He not?



We cannot help in some measure to focus upon the material world of planet Earth around us, especially when we understand little about our ultimate end with God [if we have such], but as we grow toward God [and we must do this to please Him] what happens to us and even those around us while in this veil of flesh should diminish while the Life Jesus brought should increase:

"He [the new man of me] must increase, but I [the old man of me] must decrease." John 3:30

I don't know what God thinks about the border crisis or walls or anything. I know he cares for the people in both countries and I know that he cares for the mothers who want to murder their babies and the unborn. I don't know if it is a right for the choice to be a man when God chose someone to be a woman. I really don't know if God sees it as a sin to vote someone "more a sinner" then someone else into office. But I know He is not happy with division. And I know there are man made consequences with division. America and Mexico shows this right now. Division is the vomit that has been returned to over and over again through the years. Jesus even said Himself that "A kingdom divided against itself will fall." It isn't talking about a physical wall or border, but a spiritual one. And we are in all out war right now. It is scarey, yet I will abide in God as God abides in me.
 

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President of the United States as well as existing immigration laws, neither the Senate, nor Congress, nor the courts had any constitutional right to interfere with the President's plan for a border wall.

Right but they are not playing by the rules, they are bending them and ignoring them all over the place to attack Trump and his agenda. They aren't legally allowed to have his tax returns because issuing that subpoena has no legislative purpose, but they're probably going to get it anyway (Nadler is not a good man)
 

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And why have the Democrats not been charged for attempting to violate immigration laws?

Because the swamp is bigger than anyone realized. There is also the peer pressure among political colleagues that keeps even the well meaning official in-line with the elitist status quo.
 
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Because the swamp is bigger than anyone realized. There is also the peer pressure among political colleagues that keeps even the well meaning official in-line with the elitist status quo.

What a friend said. And I think there are so many political wars going on, charging the Democrats right now would not only be more of a distraction to the issues at hand, but President Trump will be blamed somehow with it.
 

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Invasion want everyone to call it, the situation is a threat

I was awoken to the southern border crises in a remarkable way: I couldn't be seen in the ER because it was packed with illegals getting free medical care. That was when I knew America had gotten dangerous. I posted this on another thread but it bears repeating. I learned this after many hours of research:

Part of the reason why Rome fell was because of immigration: How immigration destroyed Rome. Oxford historian Peter Heather has reexamined the fall of Rome. His new book, The Fall of the Roman Empire, holds many lessons for today. - Free Online Library

The opioid epidemic is NOT caused by prescriptions. I belong to a group that has exposed this lie that the government-owned news continues to perpetrate. The epidemic began after Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and all the manufacturing left the country and went to Mexico.The trucks carrying manufactured goods were loaded with illegal drugs and only 3% were searched (whose idea was that?) and the drug-laden trucks rolled right into America. Clinton warned the DEA to remain quiet about it. It was all planned and orchestrated by those pushing the New World Order; of which Clinton is part. Several things transpired that our group happened to learn through a lot of research. NAFTA sent a lot of the manufacturing and jobs out of the country leaving hollowed out communities. At the same time illegal drugs were imported into communities across the country. The combination was orchestrated and deadly: thousands of Americans became addicted to drugs and many died - and it's expected to get worse.

The CDC erroneously blamed doctors and patients for the epidemic and the DEA went after doctors who prescribed opiates and many thousands of Americans were put off of all pain relief. Many committed suicide. Many were vets. There was some diversion but the bulk of the epidemic was caused by drugs flooding in through our porous southern border and through the mail from China. I was sent this video yesterday from my group: a cancer patient was refused pain relief:

Cancer Patient's Rite Aid Video Goes Viral

At the same time that jobs were sent out of the country and drugs imported causing mass addiction and death, the borders were open and doctors and came here on H1b visas, and Mexicans flooded in. This is planned. Part of the reason why Rome fell was because of immigration: How immigration destroyed Rome. Oxford historian Peter Heather has reexamined the fall of Rome. His new book, The Fall of the Roman Empire, holds many lessons for today. - Free Online Library

I'll say it again so everyone realizes what is happening to America and why: Part of the reason why Rome fell was because of immigration

To fulfill the New World Order they had to kill off many independent-minded Americans and destroy the middle class. They want low-intelligence migrants that they can control (this is not MY reasoning; it was part of the NWO stated goals.) I believe that the Papacy is trying to destroy Protestantism/ Christianity. All these doctors who flooded into America on H1b visas are bringing in "Doctrines of Demons" - Islam and Buddhism. (Be careful: I read of at least 3 untimely American deaths from foreign doctors. I only use American doctors now.) While those from Mexico and Venezuela etc. are Catholic. At the same time they're poisoning American children with cartoons that introduce them to perversity, and introduce cartoons such as the Simpsons who make out a man to be a buffoon. They put out ideas such as "toxic masculinity" and push radical feminism.

When you research this a clear picture begins to emerge and you can see why seemingly disparate things are happening. America is slated for destruction from within just like Rome.

The question I have in all this is: Are we to roll over while this is happening or should we fight? Many Christians aren't doing anything; they expect God to do it all. I'm unsure yet if this is the right way to go. I know that Habakuk cried out to God about the evil he saw and it was God who used their enemies to discipline and then deliver them. I'm just unsure what we're to do, if anything. My inclination is to fight it before we completely lose our country.

I'm so concerned because so many Christians are rolling over and we no longer have the spirit of revolution. I keep trying to warn everyone: TRUMP IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. HE IS NOT MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. HE IS LYING - SAYING ONE THING WHILE DOING ANOTHER. HE IS CONTINUING THE ENDLESS WARS, AND CONTINUING MASS MIGRATION HERE ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

I read yesterday that as of now there are more people on welfare then there are working and many of those collecting welfare are immigrants. No country can last like this.

So what are we to do?
 
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