The fruit of good & evil

JellyJam · May 16, 2019

I'm going to explain something to you, and you might not understand, and you might not agree, but at least mull it over.

Human morality in essence is derived from two factors.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs
Factor #2: Negative beliefs

These two base factors are essentially the catalyst for our overall opinion on Good & Evil. Now I'll show you how both factors fit in with this concept.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs = A good concept
Factor #2: Negative beliefs = A evil concept

Human morality is based entirely on these two factors, where as a person will view a situation either as a (+ or -) once the mind has established a thing as a positive, or a thing as a negative, it morphs into a (Good +) or (Negative -) mental construct.

From here all our moral values are calculated.

Windmillcharge · May 16, 2019

JellyJam said:
I'm going to explain something to you, and you might not understand, and you might not agree, but at least mull it over.

Human morality in essence is derived from two factors.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs
Factor #2: Negative beliefs

These two base factors are essentially the catalyst for our overall opinion on Good & Evil. Now I'll show you how both factors fit in with this concept.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs = A good concept
Factor #2: Negative beliefs = A evil concept

Human morality is based entirely on these two factors, where as a person will view a situation either as a (+ or -) once the mind has established a thing as a positive, or a thing as a negative, it morphs into a (Good +) or (Negative -) mental construct.

From here all our moral values are calculated.

There is a simple way to determine whether ones reasdoning is correct and that is to argue a case from two perspectives.
eg to argue the morality of the holocast from a nazi view and from a jewish view point.
Does ones morality when argued from these two view points agree? If it does your moral reasoning is likely to be correct If it doesn't then your moral reasoning is fataly flawed.

There is only one moral view point that consistently pases all tests and that is Christianities.

Good is not determined by us, as we are far two easily persuaded that what is 'good' for us, even if it harms others is good.

bbyrd009 · May 22, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
There is only one moral view point that consistently pases all tests and that is Christianities.

not sure what this even means? "Christianity's moral pov?"
is meaningless imo, sorry

Windmillcharge · May 22, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
not sure what this even means? "Christianity's moral pov?"
is meaningless imo, sorry

As I didn't post that, its meaningles to me.

I posted about Christian morality.

bbyrd009 · May 22, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
As I didn't post that, its meaningles to me.

I posted about Christian morality.

ah, then i guess i mean " by whose definition," ty

Windmillcharge · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ah, then i guess i mean " by whose definition," ty

Christian morality is a reflection of Gods character. It is not determined by men. We find it explained through out the bible.

Taken · May 24, 2019

JellyJam said:
I'm going to explain something to you, and you might not understand, and you might not agree, but at least mull it over.

Human morality in essence is derived from two factors.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs
Factor #2: Negative beliefs

These two base factors are essentially the catalyst for our overall opinion on Good & Evil. Now I'll show you how both factors fit in with this concept.

Factor #1: Positive beliefs = A good concept
Factor #2: Negative beliefs = A evil concept

Human morality is based entirely on these two factors, where as a person will view a situation either as a (+ or -) once the mind has established a thing as a positive, or a thing as a negative, it morphs into a (Good +) or (Negative -) mental construct.

From here all our moral values are calculated.

From here all our moral values are calculated.

Calculated BY whom "Specifically" ?

Accepted BY whom Specifically" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

bbyrd009 · May 24, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
Christian morality is a reflection of Gods character. It is not determined by men. We find it explained through out the bible.

Ok, could you give me an example then?

Waiting on him · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
Ok, could you give me an example then?

To love ones neighbor as self. Most people I encounter are madly in love with themselves.

Nancy · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
not sure what this even means? "Christianity's moral pov?"
is meaningless imo, sorry

I hear you Mark. Yet, I think Wind meant what a "Christian" is supposed to be like...not what the large majority of mainline, evangelical "christians" are like...JMHO ♥

bbyrd009 · May 24, 2019

Waiting on him said:
To love ones neighbor as self. Most people I encounter are madly in love with themselves.

So is this a moral q, do you think? Bc wadr what I'm hearing is platitudes passed off as morality here, i mean aren't most pplwhoID as Christian madly in love with themselves too? Sure plenty of them still using satan's dialectic here anyway, right? This is that and thatisthis?
I know for a fact, so let me tell you? Like that?

What def of Moral are we using here, is i guess what I'm wondering

Waiting on him · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
So is this a moral q, do you think? Bc wadr what I'm hearing is platitudes passed off as morality here, i mean aren't most pplwhoID as Christian madly in love with themselves too? Sure plenty of them still using satan's dialectic here anyway, right? This is that and thatisthis?
I know for a fact, so let me tell you? Like that?

So what should be our faculty, by which we judge what is morality

bbyrd009 · May 24, 2019

Waiting on him said:
So what should be our faculty, by which we judge what is morality

Boy, i dunno, i don't, myself, i guess. Mostly bc whatever standard a hypocrite says they are using, they are not anyway, right.

Nancy · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
Boy, i dunno, i don't, myself, i guess. Mostly bc whatever standard a hypocrite says they are using, they are not anyway, right.

Waiting on him said: ↑
"So what should be our faculty, by which we judge what is morality"
@Waiting on him - If it is Christians who you mean by "our" then, of course we should be using the N.T. as our example for what true morality is. And what about our conscience?

@bbyrd009
"Boy, i dunno, i don't, myself, i guess. Mostly bc whatever standard a hypocrite says they are using, they are not anyway, right."
I take it you are talking about the "Christian" hypocrite here? Yeah, tons of them. But then, I sometimes think everybody I know is a hypocrite to some extent. Yet...it does not change the standard of morality, IMHO ♥

Waiting on him · May 24, 2019

Nancy said:
Waiting on him said: ↑
"So what should be our faculty, by which we judge what is morality"
@Waiting on him - If it is Christians who you mean by "our" then, of course we should be using the N.T. as our example for what true morality is. And what about our conscience?

@bbyrd009
"Boy, i dunno, i don't, myself, i guess. Mostly bc whatever standard a hypocrite says they are using, they are not anyway, right."
I take it you are talking about the "Christian" hypocrite here? Yeah, tons of them. But then, I sometimes think everybody I know is a hypocrite to some extent. Yet...it does not change the standard of morality, IMHO ♥

Ephesians 5:9-10 KJV
[9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

[10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Tecarta BibleThe faculty or power, should be the Spirit of God

Nancy · May 24, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
So is this a moral q, do you think? Bc wadr what I'm hearing is platitudes passed off as morality here, i mean aren't most pplwhoID as Christian madly in love with themselves too? Sure plenty of them still using satan's dialectic here anyway, right? This is that and thatisthis?
I know for a fact, so let me tell you? Like that?

What def of Moral are we using here, is i guess what I'm wondering

"i mean aren't most pplwhoID as Christian madly in love with themselves too?"
I would say there are many self-loathing Christians as, Christians can be afflicted with all of the same things as non Christians.

Waiting on him · May 24, 2019

Nancy said:
"i mean aren't most pplwhoID as Christian madly in love with themselves too?"
I would say there are many self-loathing Christians as, Christians can be afflicted with all of the same things as non Christians.

MoP, it would be easier to esteem others higher than self, if there was something in place to convince us that we actually haven’t do anything to be real proud of?

Nancy · May 24, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Ephesians 5:9-10 KJV
[9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth [10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Tecarta BibleThe faculty or power, should be the Spirit of God

"The faculty or power, should be the Spirit of God"
Hi Waiting,
Yes, I agree. I also view the Word of God as Spirit OF God. Jesus was the Word become flesh and His Spirit quickens His Word, as I understand it.

I'm not sure what you mean by your second comment about the fruits of the Spirit in reference to what I said about "the standard of morality" according to The Word Of God?

Waiting on him · May 24, 2019

Nancy said:
"The faculty or power, should be the Spirit of God"
Hi Waiting,
Yes, I agree. I also view the Word of God as Spirit OF God. Jesus was the Word become flesh and His Spirit quickens His Word, as I understand it.

I'm not sure what you mean by your second comment about the fruits of the Spirit in reference to what I said about "the standard of morality" according to The Word Of God?

Didn’t mean to imply anything if I did.

bbyrd009 · May 25, 2019

Nancy said:
Waiting on him said: ↑
"So what should be our faculty, by which we judge what is morality"
@Waiting on him - If it is Christians who you mean by "our" then, of course we should be using the N.T. as our example for what true morality is. And what about our conscience?

@bbyrd009
"Boy, i dunno, i don't, myself, i guess. Mostly bc whatever standard a hypocrite says they are using, they are not anyway, right."
I take it you are talking about the "Christian" hypocrite here? Yeah, tons of them. But then, I sometimes think everybody I know is a hypocrite to some extent. Yet...it does not change the standard of morality, IMHO ♥

I'm not sure how i got involved in a discussion about morality to begin with, tbh...morality is like beliefs, to me, these are things that i have learned it is best to apply to myself, um maybe let the good keep being good, let the evil keep being evil, like that? Morality as a concept is what we mostly wanna apply to others, yes? And what is inferred there, judgement is inferred, right, not forgiveness, imo.

So what i hear WoH asking is how to judge others, which we of course have to do to get along in life, i don't mean that is bad necessarily, until maybe we um open our mouths about it, something like that? Of course i judge others like that all the time, morality-wise, and the faculty i do my best to use is my feet. Maybe like a little kid or even a dog would do? Bc otherwise i get cast in the position of leader.

So another way to put that is that i trust if someone is breaking the Decalogue they are going to pay, not me, their beliefs will be the ones changing, not mine, if you are repulsed then leave, don't talk iow maybe.

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