DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL

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I don't buy your interpretation. There is ONLY one Gospel of Jesus Christ, regardless of who preaches it, and to whom.
Hello @Davy,

I obviously have not made myself clear, for I have never denied that the Gospel of God concerning His Son is what was preached by all of the Apostles, under the superintendant care of the Holy Spirit, Who guided their ministries in accordance with God's plan and purpose, with regard to those being ministered to, and with what object. It is all the good news of God concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ risen and glorified, and all a matter of recorded fact.

* It is for us to compare Scripture with Scripture and note the working of the Holy Spirit, and the variation in the message given in the ministry of each one to the glory of God.

In Christ Jesus
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Hi @Nancy,

Sorry my post was so long. I don't expect you to respond to it. :)

When Israel is once again 'My People', then their position of prior place with be restored I believe; but by that time the church which is the Body of Christ will have been called out, and united with their Lord at His appearing, in heavenly places, which is their sphere of blessing. The times of the Gentiles will have run it's course, and Israel's prophetic clock will have begun to tick again, with all it's attendant consequence

This time we are living in seems to me to be one large parenthesis. Israel was first until the end of the acts period, when this parenthesis opened with their temporary abeyance, and it will be again when this parenthesis of time reaches it's fulfilment, according to the will of God.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

"Sorry my post was so long. I don't expect you to respond to it. :)"
Oh don't be sorry , please. I do not necessarily respond to a whole post anyhow :oops:
BTW, I really like your "parenthesis" analogy. I think you are talking here about the dispensation maybe? If so, I am not well versed in all of that. Although, it would make for a good study ♥
 

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"Sorry my post was so long. I don't expect you to respond to it. :)"
Oh don't be sorry , please. I do not necessarily respond to a whole post anyhow :oops:
BTW, I really like your "parenthesis" analogy. I think you are talking here about the dispensation maybe? If so, I am not well versed in all of that. Although, it would make for a good study ♥
Hi @Nancy,

Thank you for your post. :)

When I contemplate the whole of God's written Word, with the Old Testament books, the gospels, the book of the Acts of the Apostles, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Romans and Hebrews, the epistle of James, Peter 1 & 2, John 1 to 3, Jude and Revelation, in which Israel has prior place. - The books particularly related to this dispensation and the Church which is the Body of Christ, ( Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon - [with Roman's 5:12 - 8:39 as it's basis]), could be lifted out without doing any damage to the Truth that remains: for they relate to this parenthesis in the outworking of God's purpose.

*When God's purpose regarding the Church of the One Body is completed, it will appear with Christ, at His appearing in glory: and the rest of Scripture, which is Israel related, will run it's course as foretold by God in those remaining books.

* May God's will be done, for His Name and Glory's sake.

Praise His Holy Name!

Just thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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When verses are quoted without understanding we no longer have the scriptures,but religious error from carnal minds.
Making up your own version into a story,does not assist in coming to truth.
Those who hit "like" on posts containing error do not help,
 
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When verses are quoted without understanding we no longer have the scriptures,but religious error from carnal minds.
Making up your own version into a story,does not assist in coming to truth.
Those who hit "like" on posts containing error do not help,
Hello there,

This statement throws suspicion on all participants, perhaps you should be more direct in your condemnation, so that there can be no doubt as to whom or what you are referring.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Hello @Davy,

I obviously have not made myself clear, for I have never denied that the Gospel of God concerning His Son is what was preached by all of the Apostles, under the superintendant care of the Holy Spirit, Who guided their ministries in accordance with God's plan and purpose, with regard to those being ministered to, and with what object. It is all the good news of God concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ risen and glorified, and all a matter of recorded fact.

* It is for us to compare Scripture with Scripture and note the working of the Holy Spirit, and the variation in the message given in the ministry of each one to the glory of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Again, you seem to be trying to place 'conditions' on what was preached, when like I said, there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ. That means the SAME Gospel preached to Israel and Gentiles.

So regardless of to whom that one Gospel was preached, or where it was preached, it was still the same Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not one gospel for Israel, and another gospel for Gentiles. That is the contention Doug started here, as that is the doctrine of man he is into, i.e., Hyper-Dispensationalism.

The origin of the doctrine started with John Nelson Darby and the false Pre-trib rapture theory he got from the Edward Irving Church. Prior to Irving, Darby believed and taught a post-tribulational coming of Jesus. Along with his pre-trib rapture teaching, he taught a Dispensation teaching that separates the nation of Israel as being re-established on earth after Jesus' return, with the Church living in Heaven where they believe Jesus will reign from for the Rev.20 thousand years. God's Word does not teach that, so his Dispensationalist ideas are simply an ADDED doctrine of men.
 
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Again, you seem to be trying to place 'conditions' on what was preached, when like I said, there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ. That means the SAME Gospel preached to Israel and Gentiles.

So regardless of to whom that one Gospel was preached, or where it was preached, it was still the same Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not one gospel for Israel, and another gospel for Gentiles. That is the contention Doug started here, as that is the doctrine of man he is into, i.e., Hyper-Dispensationalism.

The origin of the doctrine started with John Nelson Darby and the false Pre-trib rapture theory he got from the Edward Irving Church. Prior to Irving, Darby believed and taught a post-tribulational coming of Jesus. Along with his pre-trib rapture teaching, he taught a Dispensation teaching that separates the nation of Israel as being re-established on earth after Jesus' return, with the Church living in Heaven where they believe Jesus will reign from for the Rev.20 thousand years. God's Word does not teach that, so his Dispensationalist ideas are simply an ADDED doctrine of men.
'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,
.. and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
.... according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
.. But now is made manifest,
.... and by the scriptures of the prophets,
...... according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
........ made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.
Amen.

(Romans 16:25-27)

Hello there, @Davy,

Whatever man may say, it is the evidence of Scripture that has the last word, isn't it? It is upon that evidence that this discussion should be based, and not upon what any man has said.

* As I said in my previous entry to you, it is the gospel of God concerning His Son that was preached by all of the Apostles, how it was applied, and with what emphasis, was determined by the One who called them and worked through them. Only by comparing Scripture with Scripture can it be determined what was said to whom by whom.

* My study has shown that there is a difference between the delivery of the gospel to the circumcision and that to the un-circumcision, while the door was still open for Israel as a nation to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and repent.

* In fact, Davy, I must agree with Doug regarding the gospel preached by Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles, and that of Peter as the Apostle to his countrymen. They were chosen by God and equipped by Him, according to the roles they were to play in His plan and purpose.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hi @Nancy,

Thank you for your post. :)

When I contemplate the whole of God's written Word, with the Old Testament books, the gospels, the book of the Acts of the Apostles, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Romans and Hebrews, the epistle of James, Peter 1 & 2, John 1 to 3, Jude and Revelation, in which Israel has prior place. - The books particularly related to this dispensation and the Church which is the Body of Christ, ( Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon - [with Roman's 5:12 - 8:39 as it's basis]), could be lifted out without doing any damage to the Truth that remains: for they relate to this parenthesis in the outworking of God's purpose.

*When God's purpose regarding the Church of the One Body is completed, it will appear with Christ, at His appearing in glory: and the rest of Scripture, which is Israel related, will run it's course as foretold by God in those remaining books.

* May God's will be done, for His Name and Glory's sake.

Praise His Holy Name!

Just thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You have just given me my new bible study in this post, lol. I have been flailing in personal bible study and since the dispensations do hold allot of interest for me...despite my lack of knowledge to understand it fully - I think God will show me things... :)
I have saved your post to notepad on my computer and, God willing...this will be a study I start tonight, so...thank you ♥
Blessings In His Name!
nancy :)
 
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You have just given me my new bible study in this post, lol. I have been flailing in personal bible study and since the dispensations do hold allot of interest for me...despite my lack of knowledge to understand it fully - I think God will show me things...
I have saved your post to notepad on my computer and, God willing...this will be a study I start tonight, so...thank you ♥
Blessings In His Name!
nancy
'And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea:
who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.'

(Acts 17:10-11)

That's great @Nancy.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Peter and Paul did not preach the same gospel messages. Below are the differences between the gospels and Apostleship's of Peter and Paul.

Peter's Apostleship: (Galatians 2:8).
Paul's Apostleship: (Galatians 1:12) (Romans 11:13; 2 Timothy 1:11).

Peter's Justification: (Acts 10:43 Matthew 16:16 Acts 4:12 Acts 2:36 John 20:31)
(Matthew 26:28 1 Peter 1:2 1 Peter 1:19 Acts 3:18 1 Peter 2:24 Acts 3:25) (Acts 3:19)​
Paul's Justification: (1 Corinthians 1:18 Galatians 6:14 Colossians 1:20)(1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Colossians 2:10)(Ephesians 1:7).

Peter's gospel: (Acts 10:43)(Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11)(Luke 1:32 Genesis 13:15) (Revelation 20:6)(Isaiah 42:6).
Paul's gospel: (Galatians 2:7) (Romans 9:4 Romans 3:28 Galatians 2:19)

Peter and the resurrection: (Galatians 2:7)(Revelation 1:6 Exodus 19:6 Revelation 5:10)(1 Peter 1:3 Acts 3:25 Acts 2:30)
(Jeremiah 31:33 Acts 2:33 Acts 2:38).​
Paul and the resurrection: (Romans 4:25).

Peter and works: (Acts 10:35 1 Peter 1:15 1 Peter 2:9 2 Peter 1:10-11) (Acts 2:38) (2 Peter 3:17).
Paul and works: (Titus 3:5 Romans 4:6 Ephesians 2:8-9).

Peter and the church: (Acts 3:12)(Exodus 12:48 Acts 11:1)(Acts 13:48).
Paul and the church: (Galatians 6:15 Galatians 3:28 Ephesians 2:14).

Peter and heaven: ( Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11 Acts 2:30) (1 Peter 1:4).
Paul and heaven: (Ephesians 2:6).

Both Peter and Paul were ordained of God to preach the gospel. Those who believed their gospels are in Christ. Peter's gospel faded away as Israel was diminished and is not the gospel that is preached today. Paul preaches the gospel by which we are saved today. Paul in his epistles reveal the mysteries and doctrine for the church today.

Hello @Doug,

Thank you for the references you have given, whereby we can confirm the truth of what you are saying.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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"charity

[Hello there,]
Hello
[This statement throws suspicion on all participants,]

Most all are guilty of this on this thread

[perhaps you should be more direct in your condemnation,]

The posts condemn themselves...
 

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'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,
.. and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
.... according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
.. But now is made manifest,
.... and by the scriptures of the prophets,
...... according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
........ made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.
Amen.

(Romans 16:25-27)

Hello there, @Davy,

Whatever man may say, it is the evidence of Scripture that has the last word, isn't it? It is upon that evidence that this discussion should be based, and not upon what any man has said.

* As I said in my previous entry to you, it is the gospel of God concerning His Son that was preached by all of the Apostles, how it was applied, and with what emphasis, was determined by the One who called them and worked through them. Only by comparing Scripture with Scripture can it be determined what was said to whom by whom.

* My study has shown that there is a difference between the delivery of the gospel to the circumcision and that to the un-circumcision, while the door was still open for Israel as a nation to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and repent.

* In fact, Davy, I must agree with Doug regarding the gospel preached by Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles, and that of Peter as the Apostle to his countrymen. They were chosen by God and equipped by Him, according to the roles they were to play in His plan and purpose.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Well, IF... you are going to CLAIM Scripture as the proof, then where... is your evidence of what you say??? I do not see it.

Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

MY... STUDY proves..., beyond all doubt, that there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ, not two, not three, etc.
 

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Well, IF... you are going to CLAIM Scripture as the proof, then where... is your evidence of what you say??? I do not see it.

Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

MY... STUDY proves..., beyond all doubt, that there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ, not two, not three, etc.

Hello @Davy,

This is a futile argument in one respect, in that it is the accomplishment of God's purpose that was the aim of both the Twelve and of Paul during that period covered by the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Both the Twelve, and Paul himself, were given their instruction by the risen Christ.

I will come back to this, at present I am needed elsewhere.

Thank you for your response, I look forward to addressing it.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Hello @Davy,

This is a futile argument in one respect, in that it is the accomplishment of God's purpose that was the aim of both the Twelve and of Paul during that period covered by the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Both the Twelve, and Paul himself, were given their instruction by the risen Christ.

I will come back to this, at present I am needed elsewhere.

Thank you for your response, I look forward to addressing it.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The idea of there being more than 'one' Gospel of Jesus Christ, is indeed a 'futile argument', even a vile argument, because it suggests that God has more than one Salvation Plan, and we Christians certainly ought to know who is behind that more than one way of Salvation idea.

I just feel amazed at how easily some of my Christian brethren get duped by men's traditions not written in God's Word.

The Jews, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

The Gentiles, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

And when they both believe on Jesus Christ, they become ONE BODY, Christ's Church.

That's is the ONLY Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 

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The idea of there being more than 'one' Gospel of Jesus Christ, is indeed a 'futile argument', even a vile argument, because it suggests that God has more than one Salvation Plan, and we Christians certainly ought to know who is behind that more than one way of Salvation idea.

I just feel amazed at how easily some of my Christian brethren get duped by men's traditions not written in God's Word.

The Jews, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

The Gentiles, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

And when they both believe on Jesus Christ, they become ONE BODY, Christ's Church.

That's is the ONLY Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Hey there, @Davy,

There is only one gospel of Jesus Christ, of course there is, but it's administration and emphasis was not always the same. It depended on those being addressed at the time. Paul's ministry was directed to both his own countrymen and to the gentiles, and throughout the Acts period Israel had prior claim. Whenever he visited a new place on his ministering journies, he would go to the synagogue first and reason with the Jews there. At those time he would take them to the Old Testament Prophets and seek to convince them of the Lord Jesus Christ as being their Messiah, God's own precious, only begotton Son, their Saviour. That was also the occupation of the Twelve, who confirmed the witness of the Lord Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry, and proclaimed Him to be Christ - their Messiah. For it was essential that Israel repent, believe and acknowledge Christ as their Messiah. For then the times of refreshing would come from the Lord, and Christ would return (see Peter's address in Acts 3).

Israel did not repent, they did not acknowledge Christ as their Messiah. The Twelve had ministered as instructed from Jerusalem and out among the Jewish communities among the nations, and had experienced only rejection from the Jewish elders and rulers of the nation. It was Paul therefore who, at Acts 28, pronounced the curse of Isaiah 6 upon Israel as a nation, the mystery of Israel's blindness descended upon them, and the prophecies concerning them were placed in abeyance, yet to be realised.

It was then that Paul, as the Lord's Prisoner, received further revelation from God concerning this present parenthetical administration, in which the church of the One Body, of which Christ is the Head, is being called out. This knowledge was hid in God until that moment, for God in His foreknowledge waited until Israel had been given opportunity to repent, and take up their divinely appointed role of Priests unto God. When they did not, it was necessary that God's plan and purpose for this dispensation be made known. To Paul alone was this revelation given, and He administered it, both in person to those who visited him, and through the epistles he wrote from prison, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

Arguing about anything is simply wasting time, for His Word has been given, and it for us to rejoice in the Word given, and seek to enter into all that is revealed there for our learning.

Thank you, Davy.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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The idea of there being more than 'one' Gospel of Jesus Christ, is indeed a 'futile argument', even a vile argument, because it suggests that God has more than one Salvation Plan, and we Christians certainly ought to know who is behind that more than one way of Salvation idea.

I just feel amazed at how easily some of my Christian brethren get duped by men's traditions not written in God's Word.

The Jews, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

The Gentiles, who must they be saved by? By Faith on Jesus Christ.

And when they both believe on Jesus Christ, they become ONE BODY, Christ's Church.

That's is the ONLY Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes, @Davy,

Praise God! That is the only means by which all are saved. By faith in the Lord Jesus Christ our risen and glorified Lord. You see, there is no difference between you, myself or any other believer. So, why are we arguing about what is historical?

* It is necessary to know what led to this present administration of grace, but now we are here, it is simply a matter of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord, and learning all there is to know about God's plan and purpose, in Him.

Praise His Holy Name!

* So, shake hands, Davy, in Christ; and love one another as He has loved us.
Please do not be offended because of anything I may say. Take it to the Word of God, and let it alone be the arbiter.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hey there, @Davy,

There is only one gospel of Jesus Christ, of course there is, but it's administration and emphasis was not always the same. It depended on those being addressed at the time. Paul's ministry was directed to both his own countrymen and to the gentiles, and throughout the Acts period Israel had prior claim.

God's Word doesn't do generalizations. Your assuming that Paul never preached to Gentiles at the start of his ministry.

Acts 11:25-26
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:

26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
KJV

That was no Jewish synagogue. That was one of the early Christian Churches, in Antioch. The doctrine that Paul only preached to Jews at the first is bogus. Acts 26:20-23 shows this even more so.

Israel did not repent, they did not acknowledge Christ as their Messiah. The Twelve had ministered as instructed from Jerusalem and out among the Jewish communities among the nations, and had experienced only rejection from the Jewish elders and rulers of the nation. It was Paul therefore who, at Acts 28, pronounced the curse of Isaiah 6 upon Israel as a nation, the mystery of Israel's blindness descended upon them, and the prophecies concerning them were placed in abeyance, yet to be realised.

God's Word doesn't do generalizations. Not all of Israel in OT times were rebellious against our Heavenly Father. Remember God told Elijah that He preserved seven thousand unto Himself? There has always been a remnant of the seed of Israel that has believed by faith like Abraham. That is who Paul was speaking of in Romans 11 about the remnant according to the election of grace.

The gospel that Abraham believed and God counted to Abraham as righteousness, is the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that we have believed. Apostle Paul emphatically taught this in Galatians 3 and Romans 4, Scripture which dual gospel pushers keep scooting around like scared cats.

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
KJV


Jesus said that is what He chose Apostle Paul for, to preach The Gospel to...

1. "the Gentiles"
2. "and kings"
3. "and the children of Israel"

Does that mean then, that there are THREE GOSPELS of Jesus Christ???

No! Of course not.


It was then that Paul, as the Lord's Prisoner, received further revelation from God concerning this present parenthetical administration, in which the church of the One Body, of which Christ is the Head, is being called out. This knowledge was hid in God until that moment, for God in His foreknowledge waited until Israel had been given opportunity to repent, and take up their divinely appointed role of Priests unto God. When they did not, it was necessary that God's plan and purpose for this dispensation be made known. To Paul alone was this revelation given, and He administered it, both in person to those who visited him, and through the epistles he wrote from prison, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

You really haven't proven anything such as two separate gospels, one for Israel and another for Gentiles. All you've done is try to give a little Bible history about the majority of Jews in the Apostle's day having rejected The Gospel, and an attempt to single out Paul as being the real revealer of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. That simply is not so, as Apostle Philip revealed The Gospel to Gentiles while Saul was still persecuting Christ's Church (Acts 8).

That Salvation would also go to the Gentiles was first revealed by God through His OT prophets (Isaiah 11; Isaiah 42; Isaiah 49; Isaiah 54; Isaiah 60; Isaiah 66). It's not strange that the Book of Isaiah should have so many examples of Salvation to the Gentiles, since Isaiah means 'Yah has saved'.

Apostle Peter said this to show the OT prophets who were aware, were looking for that Salvation also to the Gentiles...

1 Peter 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
KJV


Isaiah was given to prophesy of Christ's suffering in Isaiah 53. David was given to prophesy of Christ's crucifixion in Psalms 22. And at the end of John 8, our Lord Jesus said that Abraham saw His day, and was glad. Thus Apostle Paul was chosen to basically help 'seal' that Salvation among the Gentiles, to kings, and to the children of Israel, as that was prophesied of by the OT prophets. The difference with Paul's ministry was that Jesus appeared to Paul independent of the other Apostles. That's why the other Apostles doubted at first that Saul had become a Christian and had The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 9). The other Apostles continued to preach The Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles alike, eventually even outside of Judea among the nations. So what Acts is showing in reality, is the Apostles preaching The Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles, and not just by Paul.


Yet another matter is the scattered 12 tribes of Israel.

SCOTTISH DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE:
Translation:revised version compiled by Alan Borthwick (2005) based on Sir James Fergusson The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320(1970) pp.5-11, with reference to A A M Duncan, The Nation of Scots and the Declaration of Arbroath(Historical Association pamphlet, 1970), pp.34-37 and D E R Watt (ed.) ScotichroniconVol. 7 (1996), pp.4-9.

"Most Holy Father, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients wefind that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage peoples, but nowhere could it be subdued by any people, however barbarous. Thence it came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to its home in the west where it still lives today."


I keep having to quote Apostle Paul in Romans 9 when he was preaching to Gentile Romans, and he quoted from the Book of Hosea to them, which Hosea was originally written only... to the ten tribed house of Israel (northern kingdom after the split of 1 Kings 11).

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, 'I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God.'
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That in red is from Hosea 1. God gave that about the ten northern tribe kingdom of Israel. So what was Paul doing quoting that to Roman Gentiles there in Romans 9???

In Matthew 21 with the parable of the husbandmen, Jesus showed care of the symbolic vineyard would be taken from the unbelieving Jews and instead given to a 'nation' that would bear its fruit. Per Isaiah 5, that symbolic vineyard represented the ten tribed house of Israel.

Isa 5:7
7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah His pleasant plant: and He looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

KJV


Now for the punchline:

Do you realize what that means is... that after the unbelieving Jews rejected The Gospel, then care of the symbolic vineyard (ten tribes of Israel) would then go to another "nation" bringing forth its fruit (i.e., The Gospel). That vineyard was moved among the Gentiles, and that is how The Gospel would be preached among the MAJORITY of the "children of Israel", like Jesus said in Acts 9 that Paul was His chosen vessel to do.

How then... could there be two separate Gospels, one for Israel, and one for Gentiles? God's Word, and history, shows any such idea as two separate gospels is a falsehood, simply because the seed of Israel (probably the majority of the seed, since the ten tribes way outnumbered the Jews) was scattered among the Gentiles long before Jesus came to die on the cross.

There also is the matter of Jews having come to believe on Jesus Christ. The majority of the Jews of the southern kingdom of Judah were also scattered after their Babylon captivity, and again in 70 A.D. Many of those have dwelt among the Gentiles and have believed The Gospel, and the same Gospel preached to Gentiles is what was preached to them!
 

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God's Word doesn't do generalizations. Your assuming that Paul never preached to Gentiles at the start of his ministry.

Acts 11:25-26
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:

26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
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That was no Jewish synagogue. That was one of the early Christian Churches, in Antioch. The doctrine that Paul only preached to Jews at the first is bogus. Acts 26:20-23 shows this even more so.



God's Word doesn't do generalizations. Not all of Israel in OT times were rebellious against our Heavenly Father. Remember God told Elijah that He preserved seven thousand unto Himself? There has always been a remnant of the seed of Israel that has believed by faith like Abraham. That is who Paul was speaking of in Romans 11 about the remnant according to the election of grace.

The gospel that Abraham believed and God counted to Abraham as righteousness, is the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that we have believed. Apostle Paul emphatically taught this in Galatians 3 and Romans 4, Scripture which dual gospel pushers keep scooting around like scared cats.

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
KJV


Jesus said that is what He chose Apostle Paul for, to preach The Gospel to...

1. "the Gentiles"
2. "and kings"
3. "and the children of Israel"

Does that mean then, that there are THREE GOSPELS of Jesus Christ???

No! Of course not.




You really haven't proven anything such as two separate gospels, one for Israel and another for Gentiles. All you've done is try to give a little Bible history about the majority of Jews in the Apostle's day having rejected The Gospel, and an attempt to single out Paul as being the real revealer of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. That simply is not so, as Apostle Philip revealed The Gospel to Gentiles while Saul was still persecuting Christ's Church (Acts 8).

That Salvation would also go to the Gentiles was first revealed by God through His OT prophets (Isaiah 11; Isaiah 42; Isaiah 49; Isaiah 54; Isaiah 60; Isaiah 66). It's not strange that the Book of Isaiah should have so many examples of Salvation to the Gentiles, since Isaiah means 'Yah has saved'.

Apostle Peter said this to show the OT prophets who were aware, were looking for that Salvation also to the Gentiles...

1 Peter 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
KJV


Isaiah was given to prophesy of Christ's suffering in Isaiah 53. David was given to prophesy of Christ's crucifixion in Psalms 22. And at the end of John 8, our Lord Jesus said that Abraham saw His day, and was glad. Thus Apostle Paul was chosen to basically help 'seal' that Salvation among the Gentiles, to kings, and to the children of Israel, as that was prophesied of by the OT prophets. The difference with Paul's ministry was that Jesus appeared to Paul independent of the other Apostles. That's why the other Apostles doubted at first that Saul had become a Christian and had The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 9). The other Apostles continued to preach The Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles alike, eventually even outside of Judea among the nations. So what Acts is showing in reality, is the Apostles preaching The Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles, and not just by Paul.


Yet another matter is the scattered 12 tribes of Israel.

SCOTTISH DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE:
Translation:revised version compiled by Alan Borthwick (2005) based on Sir James Fergusson The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320(1970) pp.5-11, with reference to A A M Duncan, The Nation of Scots and the Declaration of Arbroath(Historical Association pamphlet, 1970), pp.34-37 and D E R Watt (ed.) ScotichroniconVol. 7 (1996), pp.4-9.

"Most Holy Father, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients wefind that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage peoples, but nowhere could it be subdued by any people, however barbarous. Thence it came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to its home in the west where it still lives today."


I keep having to quote Apostle Paul in Romans 9 when he was preaching to Gentile Romans, and he quoted from the Book of Hosea to them, which Hosea was originally written only... to the ten tribed house of Israel (northern kingdom after the split of 1 Kings 11).

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, 'I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God.'
KJV

That in red is from Hosea 1. God gave that about the ten northern tribe kingdom of Israel. So what was Paul doing quoting that to Roman Gentiles there in Romans 9???

In Matthew 21 with the parable of the husbandmen, Jesus showed care of the symbolic vineyard would be taken from the unbelieving Jews and instead given to a 'nation' that would bear its fruit. Per Isaiah 5, that symbolic vineyard represented the ten tribed house of Israel.

Isa 5:7
7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah His pleasant plant: and He looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

KJV


Now for the punchline:

Do you realize what that means is... that after the unbelieving Jews rejected The Gospel, then care of the symbolic vineyard (ten tribes of Israel) would then go to another "nation" bringing forth its fruit (i.e., The Gospel). That vineyard was moved among the Gentiles, and that is how The Gospel would be preached among the MAJORITY of the "children of Israel", like Jesus said in Acts 9 that Paul was His chosen vessel to do.

How then... could there be two separate Gospels, one for Israel, and one for Gentiles? God's Word, and history, shows any such idea as two separate gospels is a falsehood, simply because the seed of Israel (probably the majority of the seed, since the ten tribes way outnumbered the Jews) was scattered among the Gentiles long before Jesus came to die on the cross.

There also is the matter of Jews having come to believe on Jesus Christ. The majority of the Jews of the southern kingdom of Judah were also scattered after their Babylon captivity, and again in 70 A.D. Many of those have dwelt among the Gentiles and have believed The Gospel, and the same Gospel preached to Gentiles is what was preached to them!

Hello @Davy,

I suggest you go back and actually read what I have said; for you are totally misrepresenting me. In the light of that I have no intention of either paying attention to, or addressing your reply.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Yes, @Davy,

Praise God! That is the only means by which all are saved. By faith in the Lord Jesus Christ our risen and glorified Lord. You see, there is no difference between you, myself or any other believer. So, why are we arguing about what is historical?

* It is necessary to know what led to this present administration of grace, but now we are here, it is simply a matter of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord, and learning all there is to know about God's plan and purpose, in Him.

Praise His Holy Name!

* So, shake hands, Davy, in Christ; and love one another as He has loved us.
Please do not be offended because of anything I may say. Take it to the Word of God, and let it alone be the arbiter.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I sense that you may not realize the seriousness of this matter. The dual gospel Hyper-Dispensationalist idea is very dangerous to the Christian.

The reason is because of how they wrongly teach that only... Paul's Epistles are given to Christ's Church.

What that means is, literally, that NONE of the other Books of God's Word apply to Christ's Church. Their false teaching is basically blasphemy against The Holy Spirit.