Phoneman777
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By default, the belief that Antichrist is not yet risen is a Jesuit Futurist belief. Jesuit Ribera was the first to deny the papacy is Antichrist by insisting the Antichrist would arise in the future.First off, I have made no reference to the Jesuit Futurist argument in what I have posted.
Fair enough. However, it is the practice of Jesuit Futurists to seek prophetic fulfillment in every news interim blurb that surfaces today.Nor is my understanding based on a private interpretation or been lifted from the tabloids as you suggest.
What does that have to do with the FACT that Jeremiah identified Babylon as a "lion" two times, which is the very thing Peter was talking about - if we want to avoid "private interpretation" (and I'm sure you do), we must ask the "holy men" what the symbols mean. In Jeremiah, we find an irrefutable answer to the question of which kingdom does Daniel's lion represent.Jeremiah 50-51 also gives us information about Babylon and it sets the time period for some of its prophecies to this present time...
I've not linked any time period - I've simply looked around to see what the "holy men" have to say about the symbolism of the lion kingdom and found Jeremiah answers that question. I've been totally clear that Babylon was conquered by MP, which was conquered by Greece, then Rome, then the Ten Barbarian tribes, etc....but your interpretation of Daniel.2, 7 and 8 you have linked to the time period of 500 years before the time of Christ. Your interpretation insists that the Roman Empire has dominion over the Land of Babylon whereas this is not true. The Roman Empire which came out of the western area of Alexandra the Greats Empire and came into being after the death of Alexandra the Great.
We know Bab, MP, Greece, and Rome are long gone, so HOW are their lives "preserved for a season"? Through their PHILOSOPHIES which are embedded in the papal Antichrist of Revelation 13: Babylon's pride, Medo-Persia's inflexible iron law, Greece's higher criticism of truth, Rome's devotion to the sun god Satan: in the Judgment of the papacy, every single one of those false ideas will be exposed.The judgement of the four beasts will happen in our near future
Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion especially since when the saints go to heaven in the rapture, the Earth and the heavens are going to be set on fire leaving not a single thing alive down here....in around 25 years time in heaven, which is also confirmed in the Book of Revelation and at the same time the kings of the earth will be judged on the earth and they will be gathered together and locked up in a pit to await their final punishment. This is confirm in scripture.
Because the prophecies said they would vanish, conquered by the subsequent kingdom which stands in its place. Bab was conquered by MP, then by Greece, then by Rome, then by the Ten Barbarian hordes, among which the papacy arose as the papal Antichrist, just as the prophetic timeline establishes.If the Greek Empire is the third beast, then why has it disappeared from view today. If the Roman Empire is the Fourth Beast of Daniel.7:1-12, then why has it vanished from our view today as it no longer exists.
Your expectation is wrong for two reasons: First, the symbolism is immense regarding the "preserved their lives for a season". There's no way to literally "preserve their lives for a season" - they're conquered and must cease to exist as they all have. The symbolism refers to their philosophies. Secondly, there can't be any "25 years post-heaven judgment" because Daniel 2 plainly says those nations are destroyed at the Second Coming by the arrival of the Stone.If what you claim is true then we should be able to see the empire beasts today coming up to the time of their judgement as told to us in Daniel.7:11-12.
Again, the symbolism refers to their philosophies, what they stood for, the distinctive characteristic of them. Ruling those nations out as candidate kingdoms - especially when the various descriptions of these kingdoms throughout Daniel dovetail so unbelievably seamlessly - by virtue of demanding they must still be around after the Bible says they are conquered and after human experience has taught that the conquered are either destroyed or assimilated but never allowed to remain...is just unrealistic expectation, plain and simple.You claim that your understanding is correct, but the evidence associated with the judgement of the beasts does not support your POV at all as the beasts that you described are not present today to be judged, then you POV must be in error, and will not happen. Scriptural this is the evidence of a false prophet and the OT tells us to stone the false prophet.
So it appears on the scales I've got an immense amount of evidence that links the beasts throughout the chapters of Daniel in a way that all but makes any other interpretation impossible, and you've got just one obscure verse about "preserving their lives for a season" for a future judgment on your side.... After driving past miles and miles of aligned fence posts and happening upon one that is out of alignment, would you recommend going back to the beginning and digging up the rest in order to reset them in line with the one...or just pick up the one and move it so that it aligns with the rest?