Scripture is not the last word.

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Episkopos

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This thread is the perfect example of how some ppl view the insufficiency of the Bible. They must have some sort of outside experience to aid the Bible. Not so. The Bible is sufficient to the believer.


Insufficiency of the bible? You are very far off track here. Christ is our sufficiency not a book. Grace is our sufficiency...not bible verses.

You are not understanding the bible you find so sufficient. It points to a LIVING God. A God who we can walk with and experience. The whole point of Jesus' coming to us was that we might have fellowship with Him and the Father....through the Holy Spirit. The point wasn't to get a book deal.
 
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"ScottA,


[We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense. To do so, is to admit that we do not understand where we are in God's master plan of revelation, and that we do not have the Holy Spirit leading us unto all truth.
John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.]"


Scott makes the common mistake on jn 16, that causes his error here
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25 These things have I spoken unto you, [The Apostles}

being yet present with you.{The Apostles]

We were not there. Only The Apostles were. Jesus had concluded His public ministry and was now speaking with the Apostles.
This thread is dealing with the topic of the Apostles and why they were unique and given promises and gifts that we do not receive.

This thread was never questioning the truth of God allowing believers to welcome truth, and grow in grace. That is obviously why we are given the Spirit of God.

That being said, there is no verse I know of that promises we are going to receive all truth as in special revelation as the Apostles were. There should not be any confusion on this.
There is no verse saying we the church are going to be "guided into ALL TRUTH".

Any "truth "we come to, is given by God . that is not the issue here at all.


There is something that makes the Apostles different from us.
All believers have the Spirit of God. Not all believers are Apostles.


There were signs of an Apostle;
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.



26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,

he shall teach you all things,[The Apostles]

and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[ you the Apostles]

Jesus cannot bring to our remembrance what we did not hear Him teach when he was here on Earth.

Does the Spirit allow believers to welcome the truth of scripture? yes
Does the Spirit help us remember things, yes

However that is not what was being taught in Jn14, 15, 16.

Jn.15
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


This is addressed to the Apostles;

mk 3:14
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

jn16;
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Again, THE APOSTLES...

jn16;
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jesus is clear that He has many additional truths to teach to the Apostles, but they could not welcome these things until the Spirit allowed them to.
This is not spoken to the church, but the Apostles. He was speaking and teaching THEM audibly.



13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

This again is spoken directly to the Apostles, not everyone.
We can learn things based on what they wrote, but not one of us, is "guided into all truth".
We can learn truth from what they wrote, yes. But we are not promised to be guided into ALL TRUTH as they were.

Every false teacher pulls verse 13 out of the gospel of jn and adds 1jn 2:27 to explain why they are guided into all truth...NOT
Ya, ScottA LIFTS himself up as a Prophet & Apostle and when you challenge him on TAKING scriptures out of context & placing meaning on them that was not in the original scripture -- He gets offended and he says he is the voice of God!
Classic False prophet maneuver.
 

ScottA

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This thread is the perfect example of how some ppl view the insufficiency of the Bible. They must have some sort of outside experience to aid the Bible. Not so. The Bible is sufficient to the believer.
And this is your testimony of you saying that there is a limit to the things of God. Apparently, this is what you believe.
 

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This is why 'Scripture alone' is so important.
"He has spoken to me…" is not from God (including the chuckling); it is from the deceitfulness of your own heart.
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice." John 10:3-4


Are you saying that we are not and cannot be His sheep?
 

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this is why there is a "NEW TONGUE" in the body. the same tongue, just "NEW" which the Holy Ghost teach, because many have not heard it before, Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues".

Acts 1:16 "Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus".

the Holy Ghost been speaking through men. the same tongue, but "NEW" things taught.

PICJAG
 

amadeus

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He said he was taken up in the Spirit. He’s saying he’s on level with Paul and John.
And who are any of us to deny his testimony? If you don't believe it that is you, but only God can know the truth [or not] of his words. Unless you have had a personal revelation from God yourself, how can you deny the revelation of anyone else?

Remember here the advice of Gamaliel:

And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5:38-39


He was taken up in the spirits is more like it.
#Hic

Would you mock his words and testimony because your beliefs differ from his? Consider what happened in the following verses and especially the explanation of Peter and his citation of the prophet Joel:

"Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" Acts 2:4-17
 
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amadeus

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You are 100% we know nothing of you. But what we do know is God speaks to us via His word, the Bible. If I want to hear from Him, I open my bible and read.
What are you saying then for here we see where the devil had also been reading the Bible which he even quoted to Jesus:

"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone" Matt 4:6

And then see here the response of Jesus:

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7

Remember Gamaliel's warning!
 
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There is No new revelation coming from God. If it were not so , the Bible would have said wait for the new prophets , but instead Jesus warned about the coming False prophets & False teachers who would claim to be Christ. i.e. that includes to speak for Him.
There is only ONE Word of God and that is contained only in the pages of the Judeo-Christian Bible. The LORD God made sure HIS Whole counsel was compiled in the scriptures that we have. Jesus warned that in the end times false Christs would go out to deceive many.
It's a spirit of deception that promotes that the Bible is not the last word.
It is people with itching ears that seek for new teachings & a "fresh" word.
Matthew 24:5,11
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many…
2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction…
 
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It is my testimony that you know nothing of me, God knows. But you, you speak against the Spirit.
You can claim anything you want but we are not following these falsehoods.
Cults get started that way.
We stay in scripture which is what Jesus gave to His saints...jn17:17
We are not speaking against the Spirit.
We are speaking against your posts which are unbiblical.
Every false teacher makes these claims but is easily refuted.
God is not giving new revelation today.
There is no reason to "take you up in the Spirit".
What revelation did He not tell us, that you had to be caught up?
 

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If you were at all correct, you would have to include Paul who said, "press on."

But, no, it is therefore you who "goes on ahead" against and not "abiding in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son."
Lolzzz...the "press on" passage is not even CLOSE to the same category as 2 John 1:9. Since you cannot make that simple distinction it shows how easily you run off into heresy and error. And you are off into both and are self deceived.

My usage of 2 John 1:9 describes you perfectly and stands. You're off into error and the passage warns us about you and where you've been led astray. It's quite sad to see @amadeus and others agreeing with you, but it's no surprise there, anything goes and passes as true Christianity to these types, sadly.
 
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That's not what he said, not even close. Complete category error and false accusation. Make you feel good, champ?

You're an expert at distorting what others say in order to glorify you. You love some glorifying you. Big time.

Harsh....Where is this attitude coming from in you? Are you posting from love in the Spirit? Or is it from somewhere less edifying?

I use scriptural arguments. Personal attacks are both a sign of failure as well as showing a lack of love.
 
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amadeus

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Says you......who has obviously never heard the voice of the Lord out side of reading the bible.
It gives us good reason, does it not, for believing that a person reading even the very scriptures without the Holy Spirit might as well be reading the Encyclopedia Britannica.
 

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You are the liar Scott, you falsely accuse me of lies. You twist scriptures & you are here to self promote and elevate yourself as a Prophet.
You are not God Scott.
God is complete and HE doesn't need the likes of false teachers, and false prophets such as yourself to arrogantly claim that you speak for HIM.
You want status as all false teachers, false prophets.
Your testimony is clear. You attempt to tear down what you do not understand, just as those who killed the prophets of old.

And this you do against my own testimony of Christ crucified, raising Him up by the Spirit of God according to His promises. Your are against me, and therefore, also against Him who sent me.