Explaining the Trinity

101G said: ↑
"but did you not say that it was the FATHER who took on that added NATURE, so it is the Father in that flesh yes or no?".
justbyfaith said: yes.
well if that's the case it's the same person.

justbyfaith said:

There was a Person who came into being through the hypostatic union. The human aspect of Jesus didn't exist until the incarnation. The Person of the Son is both human and divine. The Son, as He exists in a human body, came into being when the Spirit of God became one with the egg in the womb of the virgin Mary. It is not that God came into being, but that His human aspect, which affects person and personality, came into being at the moment of incarnation.

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ERROR on your part. The Lord Jesus is "ETERNAL" no begining, nor any end. he is before his flesh, (correct), but he could not have "come into being". and as for his person, (as said he is the Father), God the Father "expressed" himself in flesh is the reason why he is called "Son". because the term "Son" has nothing to do with Gender or the sex. understand the title "Son". it's the Greek word,
G5207, huio. primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God whereinto men are brought by the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 8:19; Gal 3:26. ...

so the term "Son" has nothing to do with GENDER, but with "character". listen, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".

see it now? ... "his person"so the "PERSON" IN THAT FLESH IS THE SAME "PERSON" YOU CALL THE FATHER. see it now? not some separate "person", but the same "person" shared.

hope God open your eyes.

PICJAG.

Same Person, but with a personality affected, in one case, by the fact that He inhabits eternity; and in the other, by the fact that He is Human.

justbyfaith said:

It is biblical thought. I would say however, that more accurately, the Father took on an added nature of human flesh and that the Person that came into being was the Son of God.

It was not a 2nd God, and neither was it 1/3 of God, who became a Man. It was God.



Still one Spirit; because the distinction (not separation) between Father and Son has to do with the fact that the Father is Omnipresent while the Son is confined to a body of human flesh (and a few other things); however these are essentially the same Spirit.

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Still more anti-Trinitarian drivel.

justbyfaith said:

It is biblical thought. I would say however, that more accurately, the Father took on an added nature of human flesh and that the Person that came into being was the Son of God.

It was not a 2nd God, and neither was it 1/3 of God, who became a Man. It was God.



Still one Spirit; because the distinction (not separation) between Father and Son has to do with the fact that the Father is Omnipresent while the Son is confined to a body of human flesh (and a few other things); however these are essentially the same Spirit.

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He doesn't believe Scripture unless he takes it out of context. IOW he believes himself instead.

101G said:

Error, God is "a", "a", "a" Spirit, and Spirit is capitalize. see John 4:24a

so no more from you. you have no clue as to who or what God is.

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Hello 101G,

Lord Jesus did NOT say that God is exclusively Spirit in this passage here:

God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4:24)

God is Light (John 8:12, 1 John 1:5).

God is Love (1 John 4:8).

God is the Truth (John 14:6).

God is the Way (John 14:6).

God is the Life (John 14:6).

God is the Father (John 5:18, John 6:27, Romans 1:7).

God is the Son (John 1:1, John 1:18, John 20:28, John 8:58 - referring back to Exodus 3:14).

God is the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).

Immersed in the One True God that is three distinct personifications of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit,
Kermos

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,
(John 15:26)

This quote is comforting words of Lord Jesus, the Redeemer of criminal's against God.

Jesus referred to himself as "I" and "Me", so Jesus is a first person of one God in this passage.

Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Helper", "the Spirit of Truth", and "He", so the Holy Spirit is a second person of one God in this passage.

Jesus referred to the Father as "the Father", so the Father is a third person of one God in this passage.

The sum is three personifications of One God in the John 15:26 passage.

@101G and @justbyfaith persist to express deceit and confusion regarding the fundamental semantics of pronouns such as (1) the grammatical first person of "I" and "Me" and "Us" and "Our" and (2) the grammatical third person of "He" and "Him". By Lord Jesus' pattern Jesus distinguishes between the person of God the Father, the person of the Son of God, and the person of the Holy spirit (John 14:16-19, John 15:26), but in elementary error 101G and justbyfaith deny that when Lord Jesus says "I" that Jesus speaks of Jesus; in opposition, 101G and justbyfaith claim that the "I" which Jesus spoke refers to the Holy Spirit despite the fact that in the same passage Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as "He"! Only spiritual blindness can explain such bizarre conclusions that "I" does not mean the person speaking.

Anything short of 101G being a group, then 101G expresses further confusion regarding the fundamental semantic of the plural pronoun "we" because 101G refers to 101G as "we" instead of "I"; in other words, 101G utilitizes the plural first person for self reference within a post disputing conflict of belief with justbyfaith thus demonstrating 101G's severe deficiency with grammatical person as well as singular/plural distinctions. Here is 101G's sentence to justbyfaith in post #149 "now we ask you, proceedeth here means to emanate" - the "we" refers to 101G while the "you" refers to justbyfaith.

Misinterpretation of the Word of God by 101G and justbyfaith directly relates to their blindness that manifests as grammatical person confusion.

Now, all of these posts remain true and valid scripturally:

"One God Three Persons Post (in this thread)"

"The 'I' in John 14:18 Refers to Lord Jesus Post (in this thread)"

"Mary, Pregnant with Lord Jesus, greets Elizabeth, Pregnant with Holy Spirit filled John the Baptist who leaped, Post (in this thread)"

"Refutation that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one person (or maybe it's one spirit or maybe it's both that justbyfaith and 101G attempt to eisegete from scripture) Post (in this thread)"

"The Immeasurable Value of Lord Jesus' Words according to the Son of God Post (in this thread)"

"Refuting License to Abuse Grace Post (in this thread)"

"YHWH, LORD, Elohim, Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3, and Principles of Bible Translation Post (in this thread)"

"God is the Great I AM Post (in this thread)"

Immersed in the One True God that is three distinct personifications of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit,
Kermos

Kermos said:

Lord Jesus did NOT say that God is exclusively Spirit in this passage here:

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we believe so, for the scripture say so. John 4:24 "God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth".
so that want fly.

Kermos said:

Immersed in the One True God that is three distinct personifications of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit

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that's an error, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood".

well Kermos is this your three distinct personifications of the Father
A. he which is, and which was, and which is to come
B. he the seven Spirits
C. Jesus Christ the faithful witness

so yes or no is this your three distinct personifications of the Father. will be looking for your answer.

PICJAG.

101G said:

we believe so, for the scripture say so. John 4:24 "God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth".
so that want fly.

that's an error, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood".

well Kermos is this your three distinct personifications of the Father
A. he which is, and which was, and which is to come
B. he the seven Spirits
C. Jesus Christ the faithful witness

so yes or no is this your three distinct personifications of the Father. will be looking for your answer.

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Hello 101G,

God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4:24)

So says Lord Jesus God eternal!

101G, you are in the error for Jesus said "God is Spirit" because the Greek behind John 4:24 does not contain the indefinite article "a" within the phrase "God is Spirit" - hence the NASB's accuracy above.

Now, it appears you are trying to say that there are seven more spirits in God after you say there is only one spirit that is God - wow your interpretation is really convoluted, confused, and deceived.

You and your foolish traps, 101G. Cease with your foolish trap questions or you can continue asking your foolish trap questions yet do not expect answers from me, but if you ask of me earnestly seeking the Truth then by the grace of God I will endeavor to answer genuinely based on the Word of God.

By the way the phrase "greetings from Joseph and from Mary" does not make Mary to be Joseph nor does it make Joseph to be Mary. You really should re-read Revelation 1:4-5.

You are deceived in error, so I repeat this true saying:

Immersed in the One True God Eternal that is three distinct personifications of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit,
Kermos

P.S. Now, all of these posts remain true and valid scripturally:

"One God Three Persons Post (in this thread)"

"The 'I' in John 14:18 Refers to Lord Jesus Post (in this thread)"

"Mary, Pregnant with Lord Jesus, greets Elizabeth, Pregnant with Holy Spirit filled John the Baptist who leaped, Post (in this thread)"

"Refutation that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one person (or maybe it's one spirit or maybe it's both that justbyfaith and 101G attempt to eisegete from scripture) Post (in this thread)"

"The Immeasurable Value of Lord Jesus' Words according to the Son of God Post (in this thread)"

"Refuting License to Abuse Grace Post (in this thread)"

"YHWH, LORD, Elohim, Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3, and Principles of Bible Translation Post (in this thread)"

"God is the Great I AM Post (in this thread)"

"Heretical Teachers about God's Revealed Nature Exposed Post (in this thread)"

Kermos said:

So says Lord Jesus God eternal!

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since you're quoting the Lord Jesus, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female". the eternal Lord Jesus said, that God is a "he", and not a them. so "a" Spirit who is ONE person. so are you saying that the "eternal" Lord Jesus is lying? I hope not.

so your assessment is in ERROR. 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.1 Timothy 2:5 "For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

but not all men have this KNOWLEDGE, 1 Corinthians 15:34 "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame".

PICJAG.

101G said:

since you're quoting the Lord Jesus, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female". the eternal Lord Jesus said, that God is a "he", and not a them. so "a" Spirit who is ONE person. so are you saying that the "eternal" Lord Jesus is lying? I hope not.

so your assessment is in ERROR. 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.1 Timothy 2:5 "For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

but not all men have this KNOWLEDGE, 1 Corinthians 15:34 "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame".

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Hello 101G,

You remain in error, and you do not recognize that I present the Truth to you. Lord Jesus said:

Have you not read that He who created [them] from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE
(Matthew 19:4)

BTW, that passage just decimates old earth evolutionism because claiming millions or billions of years would be attempting to negate the very words of the person of Jesus Christ, the One True God!

But, I digress, back to your point about "He who created" in English. In Greek the phrase "He who created" resolves back to a single word that is poiEsas (Strong's 4160, except 4160 is preceded by the definite article "ho" which is "the") which really comes to Egnlish as One-making, so God is "the One making" seems so much smoother than a tranlastion of "the He making" - notice that "the" is not in the English translastion!

Hear the knowledge of God, understanding Truth, the wisdom of God! His name is Jesus Christ, my Lord and my God!

Immersed in the One True God that is three distinct personifications of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit,
Kermos

P.S. Do not forget these relevant posts that remain true and valid scripturally:

"One God Three Persons Post (in this thread)"

"The 'I' in John 14:18 Refers to Lord Jesus Post (in this thread)"

"Mary, Pregnant with Lord Jesus, greets Elizabeth, Pregnant with Holy Spirit filled John the Baptist who leaped, Post (in this thread)"

"Refutation that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one person (or maybe it's one spirit or maybe it's both that justbyfaith and 101G attempt to eisegete from scripture) Post (in this thread)"

"The Immeasurable Value of Lord Jesus' Words according to the Son of God Post (in this thread)"

"Refuting License to Abuse Grace Post (in this thread)"

"YHWH, LORD, Elohim, Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3, and Principles of Bible Translation Post (in this thread)"

"God is the Great I AM Post (in this thread)"

"Heretical Teachers about God's Revealed Nature Exposed Post (in this thread)"

Kermos said:

In Greek the phrase "He who created" resolves back to a single word that is poiEsas (Strong's 4160, except 4160 is preceded by the definite article "ho" which is "the") which really comes to Egnlish as One-making, so God is "the One making" seems so much smoother than a tranlastion of "the He making" - notice that "the" is not in the English translastion!

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ERROR, for the Gospel of Mark make the truth comes to light, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female".God here is the "HE" in Matthews...

so I leave you to Revelation 22:11. Good day.

so your assessment is incorrect.

CoreIssue said:

This confuses more people than many believe. Therefore we see beliefs such as Modalism

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Yes the Trinity can be confusing but it basically means Catholics aren't so wrong. It means there are three Gods. Jesus, the Father, and God to put it seemed. But there are many Gods as pagans believe. I think all living things stride for power in some way. They want to be all they can.

Kermos said:

God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4:24)

So says Lord Jesus God eternal!

101G, you are in the error for Jesus said "God is Spirit" because the Greek behind John 4:24 does not contain the indefinite article "a" within the phrase "God is Spirit" - hence the NASB's accuracy above.

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Either can be correct depending on which meaning one has of 'spirit' in this verse.

If you think Jesus is referring to a spirit person, then the rule for NT Greek count nouns would make the verse say "God is a spirit." (KJV)

If you think 'spirit' is an abstract word, or a word meaning substance (flesh, spirit, water, etc.), then the rule for noncount nouns would make the verse say "God is spirit." (NASB)

CoreIssue said:

Remember the old saying, the biggest lies begin with a grain of truth.

Jesus, the man, his flesh, is not God.

The second person of the Trinity, his spirit, his job.

The flesh is the vessel for the spirit. It is not a personage on its own.

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Ohh ok. So there are more than 3 Gods but one isn't Jesus. But many lesser gods as pagans believe?

So the holy spirit is a God?