1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

Earburner · May 26, 2019

1. There are some people, who readily see the forest, but scarcely see the trees.

2. And then there are those who readily see the trees, but scarcely see the forest.

Which perspective describes you best, in regards to your walk in Christ, aka the KoG?
Are you:
#1 an adventurer?
#2 an accountant?

I for one would say that I am about #1.
By the presence of the Person of God's Spirit, living within me, I am joyful to be made a partaker (participant) of His Divine Nature. 2 Peter 1:4

Nancy · May 26, 2019

Earburner said:
1. There are some people, who readily see the forest, but scarcely see the trees.

2. And then there are those who readily see the trees, but scarcely see the forest.

Which perspective describes you best, in regards to your walk in Christ, aka the KoG?
Are you:
#1 an adventurer?
#2 an accountant?

I for one would say that I am about #1.
By the presence of the Person of God's Spirit, living within me, I am joyful to be made a partaker (participant) of His Divine Nature. 2 Peter 1:4

1 John 4:4 "You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."
And who might the one who is in you be?? How many more clear scripture verses are needed to see that Christians have the Spirit of God Living inside them??

CoreIssue · May 26, 2019

Nancy said:
1 John 4:4 "You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."
And who might the one who is in you be?? How many more clear scripture verses are needed to see that Christians have the Spirit of God Living inside them??

Exactly.

Sometimes I the accountant.
Sometimes the adventure
Sometimes listening ear.
Sometimes the comforting shoulder.
Sometimes the disciplinarian.

I depend on God to show me which I need to be.

Nancy · May 26, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Exactly.

Sometimes I the accountant.
Sometimes the adventure
Sometimes listening ear.
Sometimes the comforting shoulder.
Sometimes the disciplinarian.

I depend on God to show me which I need to be.

"I depend on God to show me which I need to be."
Indeed! At any given time or place.

CoreIssue · May 26, 2019

Nancy said:
"I depend on God to show me which I need to be."
Indeed! At any given time or place.

Indeed!

CNKW3 · May 26, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
The thing about using "we" like that is that "we" can all see that no one is standing behind you, bro. I wish you the best in your walk ok. In your stand, not so much, wadr

“We” don’t know what that means.

CNKW3 · May 26, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
from your perspective i guess that is true, ya. What is currently true will shortly be false though, or so the cliche` goes anyway.

Again. Have no idea what that means.

CNKW3 · May 26, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
The point there was to arrive at a more mutual understanding of "ambassador" there, wadr. But i would be completely ok with the dictionary definition there, the one that does not involve Gov or the UN, too; that's really all i'm trying to get to ok.

The point is....the Bible gets to determine who is and is not an ambassador or official spokesperson for Christ. Here is the lexicon definition..
presbeúō ("act as an ambassador") means to act as an established statesman (diplomat) – a trusted, respected ambassador who is authorized to speak as God's emissary(represent His kingdom).
Christ specifically chose certain individuals to speak for him. That is not you and me.
Paul said...
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
I cannot write anything and claim it comes directly from the Lord. I can only pass on what has already been written. There were special individuals in the first century. We don’t have those today. I’m sorry if you cannot understand that.

CNKW3 · May 26, 2019

Earburner said:
KJV Eph. 4:30
Word: sealed: sfragizw

Pronounce: sfrag-id'-zo

Strongs Number: G4972

Orig: from 4973; to stamp (with a signet or private mark) for security or preservation (literally or figuratively).1) to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal 1a) for security: from Satan.

A seal is something visible. Did individuals know in the first century if they were “sealed” or not? Yes, they had the miraculous gifts given to them by an apostle. This is what Paul meant when he told the Ephesians they had been sealed with Spirit. He is the one who sealed them with the Spirit in acts 19:6
It was something that could be visibly seen. Like a signet or private Mark.

Earburner · May 26, 2019

Nancy said:
1 John 4:4 "You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."
And who might the one who is in you be?? How many more clear scripture verses are needed to see that Christians have the Spirit of God Living inside them??

In case you hadn't noticed in all of what I write, you are preaching to the choir!

Earburner · May 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
A seal is something visible. Did individuals know in the first century if they were “sealed” or not? Yes, they had the miraculous gifts given to them by an apostle. This is what Paul meant when he told the Ephesians they had been sealed with Spirit. He is the one who sealed them with the Spirit in acts 19:6
It was something that could be visibly seen. Like a signet or private Mark.

Okay, now pay strict attention to who else is going to receive the SAME "Promise" as the disciples.

Look at Acts 2[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[39] For the promise is unto you,
and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
.
Now, be honest, according to Acts 2:38-39, is the Gift of the Holy Spirit made available to ONLY the disciples?
No squirming now!
Answer directly: Yes or No!

Nancy · May 26, 2019

Earburner said:
In case you hadn't noticed in all of what I write, you are preaching to the choir!

Oh I had hoped you would not take that post this way, I was simply standing on your side of the issue
There can be strength in numbers

Earburner · May 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
The point is....the Bible gets to determine who is and is not an ambassador or official spokesperson for Christ. Here is the lexicon definition..
presbeúō ("act as an ambassador") means to act as an established statesman (diplomat) – a trusted, respected ambassador who is authorized to speak as God's emissary(represent His kingdom).
Christ specifically chose certain individuals to speak for him. That is not you and me.
Paul said...
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
I cannot write anything and claim it comes directly from the Lord. I can only pass on what has already been written. There were special individuals in the first century. We don’t have those today. I’m sorry if you cannot understand that.

100% Pharisaical.

Earburner · May 26, 2019

Nancy said:
Oh I had hoped you would not take that post this way, I was simply standing on your side of the issue
There can be strength in numbers

I was kind of surprised when I read your post, but KNOWING Who is within you, I thought maybe you meant to send to someone else. Being not sure, I figured I would reaffirm my position. Thank you for clearing that up

bbyrd009 · May 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
“We” don’t know what that means.

CNKW3 said:
Again. Have no idea what that means.

ok and i can't really respond bc there are more than one concept in each, sorry. If you quoted a smaller snip maybe

bbyrd009 · May 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
The point is....the Bible gets to determine who is and is not an ambassador or official spokesperson for Christ. Here is the lexicon definition..
presbeúō ("act as an ambassador") means to act as an established statesman (diplomat) – a trusted, respected ambassador who is authorized to speak as God's emissary(represent His kingdom).
Christ specifically chose certain individuals to speak for him. That is not you and me.
Paul said...
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
I cannot write anything and claim it comes directly from the Lord. I can only pass on what has already been written. There were special individuals in the first century. We don’t have those today. I’m sorry if you cannot understand that.

hmm. Ok then if you would just Quote where it is written "we don't have those today" and let's go from there maybe, ty

farouk · May 28, 2019

Butterfly said:
Is it as clear cut as that Earburner - I came to faith ' out of the blue ' when I was about 24yrs old - Just felt a prompt to go to church, didn't understand a word, but each Sunday that same prompt would come - I then experienced a ' limbo kind of phase' I didn't have peace - I couldn't go back to how I felt before, and yet I didn't have the Lord either. This continued for a few months, then one day I felt this ' quickening ' within me - that's the only way I could explain it. A few days later , while listening to a sermon on Ephesians chapter 1 , I just fell to my knees in tears, totally aware that God was interested in my life. The church I went along to was an evangelical church, they were not really into the gifts of the spirit, but I started to grow as a Christian. I remember thinking that those Christians ' who had a word from the Lord ' were a bit weird !!
Then I started to question many things, and started to experience an awareness that I did believe in the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit. Over the years that followed I started to experience , pictures , discernment and often had words laid on my heart( it's more long winded than that !! Lol )
I went along to a church that was more open.
However I have never viewed the Christians that I had known in the past as non believers, and certainly never have felt that they were not right with God. Isn't it more a case of God not forcing anything on his people, if they choose not to be open, then they will simply not experience more than they have in the moment. I was open, and wanted more - so God could work with that.
I guess it's one thing that does bother me within the forum, that where people stand with God is often challenged due to non agreement with certain things, as if it is one or the other, and cannot be a mixture of the two- different.
Rita

When it happens, it's truly a work of God, isn't it?

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6.29)

CNKW3 · May 28, 2019

Earburner said:
Okay, now pay strict attention to who else is going to receive the SAME "Promise" as the disciples.

Look at Acts 2[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[39] For the promise is unto you,
and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
.
Now, be honest, according to Acts 2:38-39, is the Gift of the Holy Spirit made available to ONLY the disciples?
No squirming now!
Answer directly: Yes or No!

What is the gift of the HS? The text does not tell us. You are assuming something that is not there.
You are also assuming that “the promise” in vs 39 is connected to vs 38. “The promise”, when you study further given to all “nations” was that of Abraham that through his SEED all the nations of the earth would be blessed and we know that was fulfilled in Christ. So, yes, “the promise” of salvation through Christ, was for All those described in vs 39, if they obeyed the gospel.

CNKW3 · May 28, 2019

Earburner said:
100% Pharisaical.

That makes no sense.

CNKW3 · May 28, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
hmm. Ok then if you would just Quote where it is written "we don't have those today" and let's go from there maybe, ty

Why does it have to be quoted? A small amount of intelligence and common sense will lead one to understand there is NOT ONE PERSON on the face of this earth like the apostle Paul. He could heal, raise the dead, the Bible specifically said he was a chosen vessel to carry Christ message. His letters were considered “scripture” by another chosen apostle. Not one person today or in the last 2000 yeRs can compare. You know that. Everybody else does too. Only those who are blind so they cannot see would ask these types of questions.

1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

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