Water Baptism:

justbyfaith · May 26, 2019

Wafer said:
My bible teaches otherwise.

Acts 1:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

That verse actually substantiates what I was saying to you.

H. Richard said:
So all we have to do to get our sins washed away is to be water baptized, right? We don't need to place our faith in what Jesus did on the cross where HE, HE, HE,. washed away the sins of the whole world when he shed His righteous blood on a cross to pay for them.

Sorry but I believe what Jesus did on the cross has washed away my sins of the flesh.

Col 2:12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Indeed, it is His blood that washes away our sins. But look again at Acts 22:16. There is an operation of God that takes place in water baptism, wherein the Lord washes away our sins through faith of the operation of the Lord.

Act 22:16, And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

H. Richard · May 26, 2019

justbyfaith said:
That verse actually substantiates what I was saying to you.

Col 2:12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Indeed, it is His blood that washes away our sins. But look again at Acts 22:16. There is an operation of God that takes place in water baptism, wherein the Lord washes away our sins through faith of the operation of the Lord.

Act 22:16, And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

According to Paul's gospel of grace it is the spirit that washes away the sins of the children of God.
1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
NKJV

No where in the above scripture is there a requirement of a man baptizing someone in water.

Paul's gospel only requires that a person believe that Jesus suffered on the cross and shed His blood that paid for all the sins of the world and He was dead and buried and then rose from the dead on the third day. That is the gospel of grace and it does not depend on any works of man to accomplish it.

1 Cor 15:1-4
5 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that (1) Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that (2) he was buried, and that (3) he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
KJV

Wafer · May 26, 2019

Pearl said:
Do I assume right here, that all those arguing against believers' baptism have never been through it themselves, or perhaps only as infants?

I don't know what you assume. What is your point either way?

I was baptized in the Mormon church at age 8 and I am a deacon. (All Mormon boys are ordained deacons at age 14.) My brother was baptized 14 times in behalf of 14 dead people. Does that make it right or something?

Pearl · May 26, 2019

Wafer said:
I don't know what you assume. What is your point either way?

I was baptized in the Mormon church at age 8 and I am a deacon. (All Mormon boys are ordained deacons at age 14.) My brother was baptized 14 times in behalf of 14 dead people. Does that make it right or something?

Oh well in that case you follow a different gospel to mainstream Christians.

Wafer · May 26, 2019

Pearl said:
Oh well in that case you follow a different gospel to mainstream Christians.

I didn't say I still practice that stuff, or ever did. You seem to have trouble connecting here. Work on that, ok?

Pearl · May 26, 2019

Wafer said:
I didn't say I still practice that stuff, or ever did. You seem to have trouble connecting here. Work on that, ok?

You said you are a deacon which makes it sound like you are still part of 'that stuff'. And fyi I don't want to connect with certain types. OK?

justbyfaith · May 26, 2019

H. Richard said:
No where in the above scripture is there a requirement of a man baptizing someone in water.

It would be in a different scripture, Acts 22:16.

Act 22:16, And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Wafer · May 26, 2019

Pearl said:
And fyi I don't want to connect with certain types.

Well, you seem to be pretty good at that.

Preacher4Truth · May 26, 2019

Pearl said:
Oh well in that case you follow a different gospel to mainstream Christians.

Yes, this is true. It is not the true Gospel, nor is it representing the true Christ.

Wafer · May 27, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
Yes, this is true. It is not the true Gospel, nor is it representing the true Christ.

You have no way to know if that is true. You don't know me at all. It is obviously not true. Pearl made an unwarranted assumption.

Pearl · May 27, 2019

Wafer said:
Well, you seem to be pretty good at that.

Thank you

Preacher4Truth · May 27, 2019

Wafer said:
You have no way to know if that is true.

Hello. I am fully aware that the gospel and christ of LDS are false.

07-07-07 · May 27, 2019

I believe in water baptism as Jesus was baptized by John; but, water can't wash away sin, only the blood of Jesus can do that.

101G · May 27, 2019

H. Richard said:
What is noticed is that not one of the scriptures you have used were written by Paul. Also you have said that mankind will be condemned by their not being water baptism even if they believe in Jesus' shed blood that paid for the sins of the whole world. All you are doing is telling people that it is what they do that really saves them. To you a person is saved by what they do or do not do and that is not the gospel of grace that Jesus gave to Paul.

ERROR they are saved by what they believe. hence the crust of the matter salvation by belief or works. one is not save by work, but one is save by belief . and once save then they go to work. as said many times. in the natural world, no one work before they are hired, they work because they are hired.

PICJAG.

Wafer · May 27, 2019

07-07-07 said:
I believe in water baptism as Jesus was baptized by John; but, water can't wash away sin, only the blood of Jesus can do that.

Yeah, so, do we call you "triple-oh-seven"?

Jon Mathews · May 29, 2019

H. Richard said:
Nowhere in the conversation has water baptism been mentioned. In John 3, verse 6 we see the words "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. " There is absolutely no mention of water baptism. Only two things are under discussion, being born of the flesh and being born of the Spirit.

You're spot on! Many people misinterpret the "water" in John 3:5 to be speaking of water baptism, but it is speaking of the water in your mother's womb when you are born of flesh. The only way to be saved is to be Baptized in the Spirit (Born of God). Water baptism is a picture/type/image of the One Baptism of the Spirit. John the Baptist makes this delineation most clear when he say "I baptize you in water...He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and Fire" (Matthew 3:11).

Water baptism does not automatically make you Born Again. (such as were some of John's disciples. Acts 19:2-3)
You can be Born Again WITHOUT receiving water baptism (such as thief on the cross. Luke 23:43)

Ezra · May 29, 2019

H. Richard said:
There are very few in the world and on this forum that truly teach the gospel of grace.

that is a rather bold statement and most likely very wrong..there is no other way to be saved other than by grace every thing Christ done for us on the the cross and resurrection along with accession==is Grace water baptism never saved any one no preacher has ever saved any one. when the spirit draws and the lost call out for mercy He gives them Grace

justbyfaith · May 29, 2019

Jon Mathews said:
Many people misinterpret the "water" in John 3:5 to be speaking of water baptism, but it is speaking of the water in your mother's womb when you are born of flesh.

If you are willing to take a chance on that, more power to you....

Jon Mathews said:
Water baptism does not automatically make you Born Again.

1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Jon Mathews said:
You can be Born Again WITHOUT receiving water baptism (such as thief on the cross. Luke 23:43)

Agreed.

Although a case can be made for the opposite. Consider that Acts 2:38-39 is a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call. Then compare Romans 8:30.

illini1959 · May 29, 2019

Pearl said:
Me neither Helen.

I think if God is telling you to be baptised then you should be or it would be disobedience. If you don't hear him telling you then it isn't disobedience. He told me, so I obeyed but not everybody will have that experience.

Since His word tells us repeatedly to repent and be baptized, that is God telling us to be baptized.

He won't contradict Himself so there shouldn't be any true believer who doesn't "hear Him telling you."

Baptism doesn't save, it is - as you said - a step of obedience after salvation.

I just wanted to point out that other bit.

Thank you

Pearl · May 29, 2019

illini1959 said:
Since His word tells us repeatedly to repent and be baptized, that is God telling us to be baptized.

He won't contradict Himself so there shouldn't be any true believer who doesn't "hear Him telling you."

Baptism doesn't save, it is - as you said - a step of obedience after salvation.

I just wanted to point out that other bit.

Thank you

Well yes, of course, but as is obvious by this 'discussion' not everyone hears or admits to hearing that command.

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