Defending Homosexuality

lforrest said:

Everyone I have seen try to justify the sin of Homosexuality pushes their agenda zealously.

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my maybe we should build a little comparo of our um mutually exclusive povs of zealously here? You wanna first, or shall i

lol but i got a Stranger in my pocket now bro, good luck!
HA!
right?
so i guess we're done already, huh

SkyWriting said:

That is a mistake. The acts of Sodom are not anything most queers are interested in.
They prefer just one sex partner for life, just as God asks.

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They prefer the wrong one. Making them an abomination before God.

Stranger

You pledge allegiance to a flag, right bro? Liberty, District of Columbia, all that?
You no who all those um women are right
I honestly don't blame you tho, k, turned inta Nazi 2.0 on ya tho huh
(Find that Chink yet bac?)

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Ezekiel 23:30 have brought these things upon you, because you have prostituted yourself with the nations and defiled yourself with their idols.

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dang brb later prolly, but this writes itself anyway right

lforrest said:

You need look no further than a few years ago on this forum.

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Got a keyword? Homosexual? Got a specialer one in mind maybe? How far back? Would you like me to get a couple quotes, pick the best price, and schedule a meeting for...2pm Wednesday?
lol

It sure would be nice if homophobes explored their own sin, which they see in the homosexuals they are judging....

How refreshing that would be

Stranger said:

They prefer the wrong one. Making them an abomination before God.

Stranger

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Not even God has asked you to choose who others should partner with.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Isaiah 11:3 ESV / 173 helpful votes
And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide disputes by what his ears hear,

Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

Taken said:

What does that mean?
They are born happy?
Or
They are born desiring sex with their same gender?
Or something else?
What does that mean?
How does a Person decide a Toddler is desiring sex with their same gender?
And then that Toddler is teased, Because they desire sex with their same gender?
What say you?
Glory to God,
Taken

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Glad you asked. Boys are teased because they act effeminate and have effeminate mannerisms. Lesbians grow up more confused because society is not so harsh if they are "out of character" for a female. Even the scriptures are more compassionate because lesbians tend to control their lust easier.

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Soverign Grace said:

I do not believe that even if your wife has seen it. I've seen this when we were raising our children. I was at a neighbor's house and her son asked for some heart jewelry that was hers. She immediately reprimanded him sharply "Boys DON'T play with puffy hearts!" And she shooed him away. I believe that is one of the ways children get their identities. That was just one of a myriad of ways I saw other mothers handle gender issues.

I also saw the opposite: a young child being effeminized and adults joking about him being gay. They think it's a joke but labeling a child is no joke. That to me is very dangerous. The child is given a "script" and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are sick adults. I can't tell you the number of sick adults I encountered in the school system when I volunteered. The librarian in our elementary school was likely a real witch; I wasn't the only one who saw it. She had satanic books in an elementary school library. It's worse than people know.

Satan's stock in trade is deception.

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The kid did not learn from others how to act so they can be ridiculed.
Theory rejected due to unsound analysis.

The issue here isn't whether or not homosexual activity is a sin. Scripture makes it absolutely clear that homosexual activity is a sin. The issue is that homosexuality is waved like a flag by a lot of Christians as the worst of the worst of sins.

And yes, Leviticus 18:22 does point that out as an abomination. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (ESV)

2 verses earlier, Leviticus calls out adultery as well. "And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her." (ESV)

Adultery is just as sinful as homosexual activity. It's interesting in scripture that adultery is discussed a lot more than homosexual activity. Just a couple of examples here:

Exodus 20:14 (ESV) - "You shall not commit adultery."

Proverbs 6:32 (ESV) - "He who commits adultery lacks sense; he who does it destroys himself."

Jesus talks a fair amount about adultery.

Matthew 5:27-28 (ESV) - “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

To put it in perspective, let's say you're out somewhere, and you check out an attractive woman. In the eyes of Jesus, you committed adultery, which makes you no better than one participating in homosexual activity.

Homosexuality is not the be all, end all of sins. That distinction belongs to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 3:28-29 (ESV) - “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”

We straight people are not sin-free, which is why we are not supposed to judge.

Luke 6:37 (ESV) - “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;"

None of us are sin-free:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (ESV) - "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."

1 John 1:8 (ESV) - "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

It's not our job to judge homosexuals - that belongs to God. As Christians, we should be praying for homosexuals AND pray for forgiveness of our own sins.

aspen said:

It sure would be nice if homophobes explored their own sin, which they see in the homosexuals they are judging....

How refreshing that would be

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We all know what Scripture says and we all know that we aren't allowed to change one thing in Scripture but I've seen pastors and other leaders condemn that sin while at the same time engaging in pride, pettiness, being a respecter of persons, gossip and yet never seeing what the rest of us see.

SkyWriting said:

The kid did not learn from others how to act so they can be ridiculed.
Theory rejected due to unsound analysis.

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That was one observation. I don't think it really matters but it does matter how we treat others and I think the only way to draw anyone is with love. Only then do we have a bridge to them.

SkyWriting said:

Not even God has asked you to choose who others should partner with.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Isaiah 11:3 ESV / 173 helpful votes
And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide disputes by what his ears hear,

Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

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That is a lie straight out of hell. Because we know the mind of God concerning queers we know it is an abomination and thus when one queer partners with another queer, that is an abomination. That is correct and just judgement.

(Matt. 7:1-5) is about judgement among believers. (7:3) Thus the homosexual is excluded. And it is about judgement where one does not know the motive. And the intent of the verse is to judge after you get the beam out of your own eye.(7:5)It doesn't mean not to judge at all. (1 Cor. 6:2) "...are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (6:5) "I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren." etc. etc.

(Is. 11:3) speaks of the Messiah to come. Christ. It doesn't say He will not judge. He judges by the motive, by the heart, because he can read the heart.

(Rom. 2) is not speaking to Christians. It is speaking to those who 'hold the truth in unrighteousness'. (Rom 1:18) These are those who judge upon a moral basis alone but who also have rejected the truth of God which is in Christ.

(James 2:10) So?

You have a few select verses you like to use to salve your conscience about being a queer. You pervert them just like the queers are a perverted bunch. Homosexuality is an abomination. A great perversion. And you who seek to defend it by using the Bible are equally perverse before God.

Stranger

Stranger said:

That is a lie straight out of hell. Because we know the mind of God concerning queers we know it is an abomination and thus when one queer partners with another queer, that is an abomination. That is correct and just judgement.

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That's what I thought as well for decades. But my neighbor Rob, lives across the street outside my living room window. I have observed his life for 20 years now. There is a discrepancy, because the Heterosexuals are three times as lawless as Rob. How can Rob be a good neighbor and model citizen, but not liking girls as you claim he should? How would liking girls, make him a better person?
For now, he he doesn't like girls romantically and you have imagined he is in this group:

sexually immoral
idolaters
adulterers
men who practice homosexuality
thieves
greedy
drunkards
revilers
swindlers
dishonorable passions
consumed with passion
committing shameless
pursued unnatural desire
consumed with passion
enslavers
liars
perjurers

So I was curious......WHY do none of these describe Rob?
You would never in your life say Rob was "consumed with passion".

Then it finally struck me. Scripture was only referring to people who are "consumed with passion."

We will call them Sodomites. Scripture is only referring to people who are like the people in Sodom, consumed with passion for one another and committing shameless acts, likely in public.

I've never seen Rob commit even one shameless act in his life, except the one time he refused to help me push a car when our neighbor was stuck in the snow. He refused to help.

Taken said:

Rather I would say, KIDS tease KIDS, Because they have the HUMAN trait of Likeing COMFORT of Being around that which they relate to in LIKENESS. Children TEASE other Children: who have red hair, wear a hearing aid, wear glasses, are taller than their peers, are shorter than their peers, stutter, have two different color eyes, exaggerate crying because they got a scrapped knee, wet their pants, fall down, and on and on; and yes when boys want to play with girl dolls instead of playing tag. So what?
Do we require a lengthy analysis and medication "to fix" these kids? I say no.

Children LIKE being in the company of that which is LIKE them, Just as Adults prefer the Same of being in the company of that which is LIKE them.Differences among people is a part of LIFE. Not everyone desires to EMBRACE others, or even TOLERATE being in the Presence of what they do NOT Like. Glory to God,Taken

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Yes, those people need years of wise instruction. Lots of it!

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Luke 6:32-42
“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. ...

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

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Stranger said:

That is a lie straight out of hell. Because we know the mind of God concerning queers we know it is an abomination and thus when one queer partners with another queer, that is an abomination. That is correct and just judgement.

(Matt. 7:1-5) is about judgement among believers. (7:3) Thus the homosexual is excluded. And it is about judgement where one does not know the motive. And the intent of the verse is to judge after you get the beam out of your own eye.(7:5)It doesn't mean not to judge at all. (1 Cor. 6:2) "...are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (6:5) "I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren." etc. etc.

(Is. 11:3) speaks of the Messiah to come. Christ. It doesn't say He will not judge. He judges by the motive, by the heart, because he can read the heart.

(Rom. 2) is not speaking to Christians. It is speaking to those who 'hold the truth in unrighteousness'. (Rom 1:18) These are those who judge upon a moral basis alone but who also have rejected the truth of God which is in Christ.

(James 2:10) So?

You have a few select verses you like to use to salve your conscience about being a queer. You pervert them just like the queers are a perverted bunch. Homosexuality is an abomination. A great perversion. And you who seek to defend it by using the Bible are equally perverse before God.

Stranger

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"Homosexuality" is not a word used in scripture. Scripture is only referring to Sodomites who did not control their lust.
Scripture goes into detail and illustrates who is a Sodomite.

Genesis 19:5
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

The majority of Homosexuals do not wish to have sex outside of marriage or multiple partners or more than one sex partner for life.
They are not included as Sodomites.