Mark of the beast!?

(bullfighter;64913)
that i am studing dan and rev...we read each day.and feel there is so much to understand and then live by..jesus said he would not loose one of his sheep .i must have faith in that, even if some of those sheep stray off the path..the important thing is we will be in a place where we can trust what we learn[the 1000 years]i only hope that we will all see the mark for what it is and have the faith to say no.we are in times where so much knowlege flys at us in such speed..i wonder how we go out and find the spirit of god and hear.i suppose if we start to share issues that we are in daily and try to get the responce from others we may learn to walk in the path..maybe we should till the troubles and the sins that come to our door..let us love and grow in that .............
Lloydnook:I'm not sure what you are saying here Bullfighter?

(lloydnook;64941)
Lloydnook:I'm not sure what you are saying here Bullfighter?
hoping we can share some of our sins and blessing.to share the walk..not just hopeing to be wise in our bible understanding and debateing.but showing our walk in the sub at hand..may be we need a new post on the subject of issues...i feel we will need to share experience to deal with the things to come .we may not have the luxury of this web in them days of great trouble...

(bullfighter;64958)
hoping we can share some of our sins and blessing.to share the walk..not just hopeing to be wise in our bible understanding and debateing.but showing our walk in the sub at hand..may be we need a new post on the subject of issues...i feel we will need to share experience to deal with the things to come .we may not have the luxury of this web in them days of great trouble...
Lloydnook:I am still vague as to your point. However, I share your concern for the future, and for those not saved. I do know that the only "rock" is our Lord, and His promises to His Body. The many and varied views as to interpretation I have found in my lifetime to be vexing; but, there is only one Truth, and it is Him who we love and worship Who is to be trusted. The dire times we are in/entering, are just as per. Prophecy, and we must rest in the knowledge of the outcome.If I seem to be too strong in my views in the future; it is because of long hard experience in life; which has been, and still is very rich and varied; but has been/is a continuing catalyst for study and prayer in/on Scripture.All my pronouncements are to try to share Truth as I perceive it.

(lloydnook;65015)
Lloydnook:I am still vague as to your point. However, I share your concern for the future, and for those not saved. I do know that the only "rock" is our Lord, and His promises to His Body. The many and varied views as to interpretation I have found in my lifetime to be vexing; but, there is only one Truth, and it is Him who we love and worship Who is to be trusted. The dire times we are in/entering, are just as per. Prophecy, and we must rest in the knowledge of the outcome.If I seem to be too strong in my views in the future; it is because of long hard experience in life; which has been, and still is very rich and varied; but has been/is a continuing catalyst for study and prayer in/on Scripture.All my pronouncements are to try to share Truth as I perceive it.
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''i have flapped many times with the things i know[know]and the things i think to understand....trying not to convience people to much anymore..i just warn of the great dismay that is soon apon us.so in respect of peoples studies.i will say great and go on..but we could share our day to day walk and how we deal with the things that confront us today.maybe we will grow in our faith that way.by not having people just believe what we believe...if you set up a post sharing our [day in faith]..it would work fruits......

Let me see if I can better explain this Mark lets look at a couple examples that may help one understand better. Lets look at one who has the name of Jesus tatooed on their arm. They are making an outward statement that they believe in Christ. But they are not saved because they wear his name on their skin they are saved because they believe in their heart/mind (forehead)that Christ is Lord. A person who is a Hindu might have a dot tatooed on there forehead outwardly this tells us that this person believes in a Hindu god ... This person is not going to hell for the dot tatooed on their forehead..but for their believe in their heart/mind(forehead) in a false godThis is the same with the Mark of the beast it doesnt matter if its a chip or tatoo or a bar code the outward mark doesnt condem anyone...its what you have done in your heart/mind to receive the mark...that is pledge your belief to a false christ (antchrist) that will condem you. The mark is only the outward sign that you follow a false christ.No government will ever force a mark or chip on the World that is the Mark of the beast it will have to be something you chose to take as an outward sign ..only after pledging your faith to a false christ.Many will do this willingly thinking the false christ (antichrist) is Christ returned so they will willingly pledge their faith to him....... This is a simular situation to how hebrews accepted circumscions as a sign they followed the One God ... It wasnt the circumscion that saved them it was just the outward sign showing who they had pledged their faith to. If one does not want the Mark of the beast they must know what God says about the Antichrist so they can reconize him (the fake) from the real True Christ

(Christina;65084)
Let me see if I can better explain this Mark lets look at a couple examples that may help one understand better. Lets look at one who has the name of Jesus tatooed on their arm. They are making an outward statement that they believe in Christ. But they are not saved because they wear his name on their skin they are saved because they believe in their heart/mind (forehead)that Christ is Lord. A person who is a Hindu might have a dot tatooed on there forehead outwardly this tells us that this person believes in a Hindu god ... This person is not going to hell for the dot tatooed on their forehead..but for their believe in their heart/mind(forehead) in a false godThis is the same with the Mark of the beast it doesnt matter if its a chip or tatoo or a bar code the outward mark doesnt condem anyone...its what you have done in your heart/mind to receive the mark...that is pledge your belief to a false christ (antchrist) that will condem you. The mark is only the outward sign that you follow a false christ.No government will ever force a mark or chip on the World that is the Mark of the beast it will have to be something you chose to take as an outward sign ..only after pledging your faith to a false christ.Many will do this willingly thinking the false christ (antichrist) is Christ returned so they will willingly pledge their faith to him....... This is a simular situation to how hebrews accepted circumscions as a sign they followed the One God ... It wasnt the circumscion that saved them it was just the outward sign showing who they had pledged their faith to. If one does not want the Mark of the beast they must know what God says about the Antichrist so they can reconize him (the fake) from the real True Christ
if and when the chip comes it will be something that the beast can use wither it is the mark or not..it can be used in the by and seel thing and to find people hunted for not taking the mark..the mark will in my belief will be in the mind and people will be fooled into it ,because of there pridful stubborn hearts.they will become unknown to god as they will stray closer to the beast in worship and commitment..i know it has something to do with sunday.so now you heard my 2cents on it again..i will go back to the dismay at hand.if you decide your faith is all you need i hope well for you..if my faith was measured against daniel or john or many others i do not no how i would hold up..i guess not affraid to die or suffer would be a start...

You need faith yes but knowledge gives one strength Knowing two things will help you know the truth 1. the fake comes first in theend of the 5th/ 6th trump The True christ doesnt come til the 7th trumpthis will help you see God tells us exactly what we need to know he also promises to watch over those who know the fake from the real. 2.When the real Christ returns. You will be changed from your flesh body to your incorruptible body in the twinkling of an eye. 1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality So if you are still in your flesh body he is not here yet.

I heard somewhere that the beast will have 666 heads, or names, for each religion. Like for the muslims, it would be allah. For the jews, it would be the messiah. For the buddhists, buddha. And that recieving the mark from any of these beasts and knowing what you are doing would condemn you to hell. Is this true?

Well who ever told you that they are wrong so dont believe it 666 is the number of a man it is our clue to idenify him it stands forAntichrist ( Satan) who comes in at 6th trump/6th vial/6th seal

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Your most welcome this man as is futher idenified as Lucifer (Satan) in Isa.14..... this chapter speaks from a point in time after the 2nd coming of Christ 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?Here we have what Rev. says just before the start of the 6th trumpRev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

[Cristina:This is a simular situation to how hebrews accepted circumscions as a sign they followed the One God ... It wasnt the circumscion that saved them it was just the outward sign showing who they had pledged their faith to. Lloydnook:Gen.17:11.The circumcision of all Jewish males, is as "a token of the covenant betwix Me and you".Your description, "pledged their faith" is wrong!Almighty God decreed the event as a reminder to all males ,all their lives!They did not honour their Jehovah even so! Theirs is not a "faith" mark, but a mark of their failure!Cristina:No government will ever force a mark or chip on the World that is the Mark of the beast it will have to be something you chose to take as an outward sign ..only after pledging your faith to a false christ.Lloydnook:This does not correlate to Scripture.

(lloydnook;65151)
(Christina;65084)
This is a simular situation to how hebrews accepted circumscions as a sign they followed the One God ... It wasnt the circumscion that saved them it was just the outward sign showing who they had pledged their faith to.
Lloydnook:Gen.17:11.The circumcision of all Jewish males, is as "a token of the covenant betwix Me and you".Your description, "pledged their faith" is wrong!Almighty God decreed the event as a reminder to all males ,all their lives!They did not honour their Jehovah even so! Theirs is not a "faith" mark, but a mark of their failure!(Christina;65084)
No government will ever force a mark or chip on the World that is the Mark of the beast it will have to be something you chose to take as an outward sign ..only after pledging your faith to a false christ.
Lloydnook:This does not correlate to Scripture.We are saved by grace and not of works. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:6) We are not saved by doing a physical circumcision. We are saved in the faith of Jesus Christ. Period. Just as water baptizing does not save us, but only Christ.Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:We are circumcised by the regeneration of our heart / mind. We only need the Holy Ghost. And to love Him, we need to do the Truth. So stop twisting scripture.

(lloydnook;65151)
[Cristina:No government will ever force a mark or chip on the World that is the Mark of the beast it will have to be something you chose to take as an outward sign ..only after pledging your faith to a false christ.Lloydnook:This does not correlate to Scripture.
I think You are wrong it is the pledge thats the sin Deuteronomy 11:18 18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.It the opposite of the seal/mark of God And your technically correct about the covenant but a covenant is a promise... a promise is when one party pledges to do a thing in return for another thing it was just an analogy

Hi, there. I thought I might bring something up here.The words translated as sign/mark in Deuteronomy 11:18 and Revelation 13:16-17 are different.Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.That's Strong's (Hebrew) #226 ('owth): Probably from 'uwth (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc. -- mark, miracle, (en-)sign, token. Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. That's Strongs (Greek) #5480 (charagma): From the same as charax; a scratch or etching, i.e. Stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue) -- graven, mark.To me, this implies that the mark of the beast is a physical, visible, mark, as opposed to an allegiance or an embedded microchip.

I dont disagree with you nessarily... that we may have a physical mark... Just saying that in itself is not a sin...It's why you take it thats the sin..My point is we are not condemned for taking a mark on our body, its is the what we have to pledge/believe to get the Mark and its no surprise the Words are different one is Hebrew one is Greek If we assume God tells us all things in a couple places he tells us that his sign/seal/mark is in our hearts/minds and right hand. One must to confess their belief that Antichrist is christ before receiving the mark....If we as beleivers in the true Christ refuse to confess our belief that Antichrist is christ we will not recieve a mark ... can not participate in the beast system

Question about the rapture theory, where's the "camp of the saints" especially since there will be a thousand year reign after the rapture? And if Christ is to rule a thousand years in Jerusalem on earth why would he ignore these "saints" until the end of the thousand years? I'm more familiar with Antioch as the "camp of the saints" during the Jewish and Roman prosecution of the early christians. I have no idea why there would be a camp for saints outside of Jerusalem during Christ's thousand year reign. And as for the seal of God, the bible states that the seal is to obey his commandments. Those that do God's commandments are those that are sealed. There's no scripture that supports God's seal as opposite that of the Devil. Those that do all his commandments are sealed, that's a fact.

Jordan. It's interesting to hear someone else refer to the mark as not being the chip. I agree. Would be nice to hear a little more detail of your perspective. I believe it is spiritual, and is a designation of ownership, and that the right hand marking versus the forehead denotes the reason for which mark (Satan's mark or God's mark) is given. As Revelation 13 tells us, the mark of the beast is understood by wisdom, and not by logic. Non-Christians understand the concept of the Mark of the Beast to be a physical mark, possibly a chip. If they are right, then it doesn't take 'revelation' at all. I believe the chip, and other forms of physical marking, is and has been Satan's ruse, much like the magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." Jesus spoke in parables, in order that the understanding of his words might be by revelation in the Spirit and not by logic. Any thoughts?

(smitharbie;65529)
Jordan. It's interesting to hear someone else refer to the mark as not being the chip. I agree. Would be nice to hear a little more detail of your perspective. I believe it is spiritual, and is a designation of ownership, and that the right hand marking versus the forehead denotes the reason for which mark (Satan's mark or God's mark) is given. As Revelation 13 tells us, the mark of the beast is understood by wisdom, and not by logic. Non-Christians understand the concept of the Mark of the Beast to be a physical mark, possibly a chip. If they are right, then it doesn't take 'revelation' at all. I believe the chip, and other forms of physical marking, is and has been Satan's ruse, much like the magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." Jesus spoke in parables, in order that the understanding of his words might be by revelation in the Spirit and not by logic. Any thoughts?
My perspective? How about take God's perspective.What is the mark of the beast in Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 14:11Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name....Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.The mark of the beast is to pledge allegiance to the Anti-Christ (Satan). He wants you to think that this is Jesus Christ. We seen the first mark from a certain someone way back in Genesis.Genesis 4:8 - And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him....Genesis 4:15 - And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Cain gave his mind completely to his father Satan. He pledge allegiance to Satan. Everything. Look around, to believe in a lie fully before time comes is a TYPE of the mark of the beast.I rather have the seal of God in my forehead (Revelation 9:4) which is gaining the Truth and keeping the Truth and follow the cross. THE Word of God.

(smitharbie;65529)
Jordan. It's interesting to hear someone else refer to the mark as not being the chip. I agree. Would be nice to hear a little more detail of your perspective. I believe it is spiritual, and is a designation of ownership, and that the right hand marking versus the forehead denotes the reason for which mark (Satan's mark or God's mark) is given. As Revelation 13 tells us, the mark of the beast is understood by wisdom, and not by logic. Non-Christians understand the concept of the Mark of the Beast to be a physical mark, possibly a chip. If they are right, then it doesn't take 'revelation' at all. I believe the chip, and other forms of physical marking, is and has been Satan's ruse, much like the magician who says, "nothing up my sleeve." Jesus spoke in parables, in order that the understanding of his words might be by revelation in the Spirit and not by logic. Any thoughts?
Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.This is Gods seal/mark Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Great to hear you see this God doesnt care what mark is on our body ... he judges all by whats in their heart... your mind is in your forehead your hands do the work of the Lord If you pledge your Heart to to a fake Christ i.e. the Antichrist your.. mind, heart, work (forehead, hand,) is no longer in Christ... at that point what difference does a chip or physical mark make.... you have already taken the Mark of beast in spirit... Thats what you are judged for ... Your spirit not being sealed in Christ... but you become sealed in Antichrist