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Question about the rapture theory, where's the "camp of the saints" especially since there will be a thousand year reign after the rapture? And if Christ is to rule a thousand years in Jerusalem on earth why would he ignore these "saints" until the end of the thousand years? I'm more familiar with Antioch as the "camp of the saints" during the Jewish and Roman prosecution of the early christians. I have no idea why there would be a camp for saints outside of Jerusalem during Christ's thousand year reign. And as for the seal of God, the bible states that the seal is to obey his commandments. Those that do God's commandments are those that are sealed. There's no scripture that supports God's seal as opposite that of the Devil. Those that do all his commandments are sealed, that's a fact.
Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. Whats between your eyes? your forehead i.e your mind Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Gods seals his servant elect in their forehead i.e. your mind And if read the scripture those that are of the first resurection ... Saints overcomers reign and rule with Christ for 1000 years ...everything of antichrist is the oppiste a copy, fake, of the real
 

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I think You are wrong it is the pledge thats the sin Deuteronomy 11:18 18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.It the opposite of the seal/mark of God And your technically correct about the covenant but a covenant is a promise... a promise is when one party pledges to do a thing in return for another thing it was just an analogy
this is a good post..hooooowever this is exactly the way the sunday pope thing will take hold..you know that, you just been stung by the waywardness of the sda.which in there truth built a great fence around and got self rightous like all the others and created pride like most people do in some area or anouther...............
 

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Bullfighter Ive told you a 1000 times we are judged by our heart and Who our Rest is in not the day we worship if you start making every post about days again Which we are told NOT TO JUDGE BY and they are not on subject I will again start deleting them We are saved by grace Told not to judge by what sabbath days one rests on so Your opinion is just an opinion not Gods Word We are to remember the Sabbath where/whom our Rest is in not Judge others by it... Your consent judgement on others alone is going to require your repentanceCol 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: You are a man and you are judging God says you sre not to. Period Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
 

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Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. Whats between your eyes? your forehead i.e your mind Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Gods seals his servant elect in their forehead i.e. your mind And if read the scripture those that are of the first resurection ... Saints overcomers reign and rule with Christ for 1000 years ...everything of antichrist is the oppiste a copy, fake, of the real
this is a good post..hooooowever this is exactly the way the sunday pope thing will take hold..you know that, you just been stung by the waywardness of the sda.which in there truth built a great fence around and got self rightous like all the others and created pride like most people do in some area or anouther...............Pardon me, where did scriptures say that a Lie shall sting us if we (Christina, me etc) don't believe in it regardless?
 

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Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.This is Gods seal/mark Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Great to hear you see this God doesnt care what mark is on our body ... he judges all by whats in their heart... your mind is in your forehead your hands do the work of the Lord If you pledge your Heart to to a fake Christ i.e. the Antichrist your.. mind, heart, work (forehead, hand,) is no longer in Christ... at that point what difference does a chip or physical mark make.... you have already taken the Mark of beast in spirit... Thats what you are judged for ... Your spirit not being sealed in Christ... but you become sealed in Antichrist
Thanks for the reply!Question! You wrote "If you pledge your Heart to to a fake Christ i.e. the Antichrist your.. mind, heart, work (forehead, hand,) is no longer in Christ... at that point what difference does a chip or physical mark make.... you have already taken the Mark of beast in spirit..." So, I was wondering if you believe that "pledging your heart" means that you are making a conscious decision about it, or not? Do you think you can pledge your heart unconsciously?And by the way, I agree completely that any physical mark would only be an outward demonstration of what already took place inside. Yes, you are going to be judged on your heart, but I believe it takes two or three witnesses to bring judgment (Deuteronomy 17:6), so the judgment would depend on your heart (thoughts, beliefs, convictions), your actions (outward demonstration), and your fruit (what your spirit brings forth). (You know, body, soul, and spirit, our triune makeup like God's triune makeup)
 

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Pardon me, where did scriptures say that a Lie shall sting us if we (Christina, me etc) don't believe in it regardless?
i thought we were talking about the mark..and if you only wish to have your oppinion on here fine .we will respect your threat of control..sorry this was meant for the last post by kriss .and i am sure that offended her .however she told me to stick to the sub.which i did..and i know she does not believe what i think nor do you ..but if you want to become like all the churches that have there dogma of thought .fine i will not cross your walls of oppinion.and however it may sound. i do know some truth given to me and wittnessed .and the thing that i say is true .and can be proved in the bible..however again as much as i appreciate your forum.we all know that grief is soon to fall on the earth and we should act in love .soon you will be tested enough with out debates going into control issues..
 

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Pardon me, where did scriptures say that a Lie shall sting us if we (Christina, me etc) don't believe in it regardless?
i thought we were talking about the mark..and if you only wish to have your oppinion on here fine .we will respect your threat of control..The way you said sounds like you are attacking my Sister Christina, so I'll just go my way and defend a family member.
 

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The way you said sounds like you are attacking my Sister Christina, so I'll just go my way and defend a family member.
you do not have to defend any thing .if you want to use the same oppinion fine.to deffend some one is to think they are under attack..to whitch is not the case .we talk about a very sensitive issue with two strong oppinions.and needs to be left for others to judge what they wish to think..
 

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The way you said sounds like you are attacking my Sister Christina, so I'll just go my way and defend a family member.
you do not have to defend any thing .if you want to use the same oppinion fine.to deffend some one is to think they are under attack..to whitch is not the case .we talk about a very sensitive issue with two strong oppinions.and needs to be left for others to judge what they wish to think..But I want to. Is there any problem being selfless Mr. Bullfighter for defending a family member? a family member of a loved one?
 

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But I want to. Is there any problem being selfless Mr. Bullfighter for defending a family member? a family member of a loved one?
i no in the future we will have to do just that .and be on guard for many things.not in fear and in faith but our faith will be tested.i do hope the best and blessing for you.this is a spiritual war and as we all believe in christ we have a advantage in this war.but being human we have our weakness.we will see many things that will take our levels of love and forgiveness to a higher level of this war.it is won i know.but the dismay will be real and the false antichrist will fool many as it is the truth in the bible.i will be glad when we all sit in the presence of god and know we can believe what we hear.and sit in judgement with god when the distruction as we know it is done away with..
 

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Lloydnook:Yes, many Christians know that the dating of Christmas and Easter are a product of Constantine and Helena.However, for children (and adults), no harm is done in remembering our Lord's birth and death at any time of the year! The focus given by the present dating's, will in time be known by children as they grow into adulthood, and the myth is sorted from the Biblical facts.It is one of the many things children have to come to terms with, and as their minds develop. This subject is after all only one of the myriad of their coping, and, gives them eventually an enquiring and objective mind!The duty of parents IMO, is to be ready to give them "factual" information, when they are ready, and they ask, otherwise they can become cynical very quickly!The birth date of Jesus: There is considerable controversy surrounding the birth date of Jesus. The reasons are numerous, and many are linked to church history, especially the formation, enforcement, and corruptions of the Roman Church. However, even the Protestant reformists have not shed much light on the subject. Research on this subject, one would expect to be a high priority in the “mainline” churches, however that is not so, and in the main “enthusiastic laypeople” are the ones doing the work. In the case of the writer, there is a belief in, and at present a reliance on, the work of two Bible scholars; Dr. E.W. Bullinger, and Dr. David Ginsburg, on this subject. Dr. Bullinger was a Greek and Hebrew scholar, and Ginsburg the son of a Polish Rabbi, who was steeped in the Old Testament, and the “wisdom writings” of the Jews post Ezra. Both these men had powerful conversion experiences to Christ as Saviour, Dr. Bullinger after serving as a C. of E. vicar for many years, and Dr. Ginsberg after reading Isaiah 53, and the New Testament, knowing that his conversion meant expulsion from his family and home! The brief history is given to illustrate the sincerity of the two men, who met in London, and worked together for a period of time. Their joint knowledge, fidelity and dedication to Truth and detail, produced much good work, part of which is undoubtedly that on the Lord’s birth date, as Ginsburg entrusted Bullinger with his notation on his work. The significance of December 25th is not disputed by Bullinger, but the event is! Most people accept this date as “celebrating” our Lord’s birth, but “notionally,” as they think in the main that it is the ancient date of a Pagan festival, which was re- imposed by Constantine. A good starting point is the prophecy of Balaam in Numbers 24:17, which reads KJV, “I shall see Him, but (Who is) not now: I shall behold Him, but (Who is) not nigh: There shall come a Star (Prince) out of Jacob, And a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, And shall smite the corners (quarters) of Moab, And destroy (subdue) all the children of Sheth.” [The brkts.( ) denote Bullinger’s changes/ corrections ref. the manuscripts]. The ref. to “Star,” can be correct, and also “Prince,” as the Hebrew is “kokab,” Strongs 3556, “kowkab,” meaning “shining, blazing, a prince.” This particular prophecy regarding the “Star” had grown into Jewish “lore,” especially in the Babylonian Jewish community, and interpreted for some reason as happening 2 years before the event of Christ’s appearance. There is a record in Matthew’s Gospel, and in the case of the eastern records that such a phenomenon did occur, which has been explained latterly as the conjunction of the planets Jupiter and Saturn, and that in 7 BC, however, that does not mean they are the same event! The planet conjunction is now known to occur every 800 years, but that does not diminish its significance for 7 BC, and the journey of the Magi. However, the planet conjunction may be misleading, as with so many of the miraculous events of Scripture, man has tried to put natural explanations to them, totally underestimating the power of Almighty God! The Bible makes the statement regarding the appearance of the star, Matt. 2:2, and that it related to “He that is born King of the Jews.” This clearly is taken as confirmation of Num. 24:15-19, and interestingly plays on both “star” and “prince” translations! As regards the birth date of Jesus, using the datum date of 7 BC (the conjunction,) to try to ascertain the events related in Matt. 2, is problematic, as the conjunctions only last for a short period, however a comet is recorded as appearing in Feb. of the year 4 BC, and has been seized upon as possibly the guiding star. In the view of the writer, God the Father, knowing the traditions of the Jews, would use that tradition to “alert” the Babylonian sages, with the conjunctions, and also with the comet appearances, as they were/are constantly watching for Messiah’s appearing! It is the writers view also that “the guiding star” was supplied miraculously specifically for the guidance of the Magi, and that there is no need to try to “explain” the event in natural terms! Fixing a date datum on firmer ground, may be possible using the life of Herod the Great. Although the “traditional” view is that the Magi and the shepherds visited the “nativity” scene at the same time, that is the stuff of the Christmas play. It is recorded that Herod died in 4 BC, and Josephus states March 13th as the actual date due to its proximity to an eclipse of the moon, which took place on the same night that he burned alive two Jewish zealots, Judas and Matthias! At approx. the same time Herod ordered the execution of his son Antipater, and Herod died 5 days later. This would be a very good datum if it was reliable, but again records vary, and Calendar changes have created a margin of uncertainty. This is further complicated by the interpretation that Herod “accurately” in Matt. 2-16, fixed the age of the Lord by then as up to 2 years old, hence his order to kill all children up to that age! It is also apparent that the Magi did not visit a stable, but a house (Matt. 2:11,) and as soon as they departed Joseph is told to flee to Egypt. They did not return until after Herod’s death, to take up residence in Nazareth (Matt. 2:19-23.) It follows that if Herod’s death was 4 BC, and if Jesus was then more than two years old, then His nativity would have been approx. 6-7 BC. If He was not two years old, which is unlikely, then His nativity is nearer 5 BC, using the traditional dating and understanding of Dec. 25th. It is apparent that one factor is reliable, the death of Herod the Great, but not its year. That relationship to our Lord’s age may also be reliable, but many will hold different views. One of those, which Dr. Bullinger lays out with great clarity, detail and lucidity, and which the writer at present also holds, is that the Lord was not born on 25th Dec. but was “begotten by the Holy Ghost” on that date. The birth was therefore on Sept. 29th of the following year, which corresponds with the Jewish feast of Tabernacles (15th of Ethanim, or Tisri.) The detailed document also explains the dating errors, and gives academic sources to substantiate. This can be found in the Companion Bible, Appendix 179. The conclusion then in the view of Dr. Bullinger and the writer at present, is that our Lord was “Begotten” on the 25th Dec. 5 BC. That He was born on 29th Sept. 4 BC. The apparent conflict regarding Herod’s death date does not exist, see above documents. A further factor which to the writer has relevance, is that the events of Revelation and the timings are in the domain of the Father only. If the Lord’s birth date was known absolutely accurately, with other of Bible information, future event timings would probably be possible to know, which is not intended by the Father until certain times! His priority is that people should look on Him that was slain for our iniquity, and should be saved! The priority is the saving of the people, and for those that are saved to look for His appearing, both for Rapture, and for His Government on earth in “Power and great Glory.” Amen! Lloydnook Subjectindex
Lloydnook, What is amazing to me is the fact that these wise andintellectual men cannot understand from the Holy Scriptures when Jesus birthday was, at least close. Consider the evidence at Luke, chapter 2 starting with the first verse. Here we are told about a decree that went forth from Augustus Caesar to have people registered. History shows this to have happened around the year 2BC. Herod the Great died around 1BC.Look at the other names that are mentioned at chapter 3, 1-5. Tiberius was Caesar of Rome, his 15th year was from 28CE to last part of 29CE. Pontius Pilate was governor, Herod Antipus was district ruler, etc. In verse 3-6, we are told about John the baptist starting to preach throughout the area around the Jordan river. All these things can be determined to have been in 2BC. Remember that John was 6 months older that Jesus, and he preached for 6 months before Jesus came to be baptized, Luke 1:24-27,34-36. History tells us that these were all in office as the Bible says, in 2BC. Luke was an expert in the offices of the men. It was a death penalty to write about a Roman and claim wrong offices for him. Another reason for understanding when Jesus was born is recorded at Luke 2:8, where we read about shephards living out of doors with their sheep. This is not done around Jerusalem because it is too cold in December. Sheep are kept close to their sheepfolds during winter. The evidence indicates that Jesus was born around the first of October 2 BC. There is much other evidence.
 

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Lloydnook, What is amazing to me is the fact that these wise andintellectual men cannot understand from the Holy Scriptures when Jesus birthday was, at least close. Consider the evidence at Luke, chapter 2 starting with the first verse. Here we are told about a decree that went forth from Augustus Caesar to have people registered. History shows this to have happened around the year 2BC. Herod the Great died around 1BC.Look at the other names that are mentioned at chapter 3, 1-5. Tiberius was Caesar of Rome, his 15th year was from 28CE to last part of 29CE. Pontius Pilate was governor, Herod Antipus was district ruler, etc. In verse 3-6, we are told about John the baptist starting to preach throughout the area around the Jordan river. All these things can be determined to have been in 2BC. Remember that John was 6 months older that Jesus, and he preached for 6 months before Jesus came to be baptized, Luke 1:24-27,34-36. History tells us that these were all in office as the Bible says, in 2BC. Luke was an expert in the offices of the men. It was a death penalty to write about a Roman and claim wrong offices for him. Another reason for understanding when Jesus was born is recorded at Luke 2:8, where we read about shephards living out of doors with their sheep. This is not done around Jerusalem because it is too cold in December. Sheep are kept close to their sheepfolds during winter. The evidence indicates that Jesus was born around the first of October 2 BC. There is much other evidence.
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Thanks for the reply!Question! You wrote "If you pledge your Heart to to a fake Christ i.e. the Antichrist your.. mind, heart, work (forehead, hand,) is no longer in Christ... at that point what difference does a chip or physical mark make.... you have already taken the Mark of beast in spirit..." So, I was wondering if you believe that "pledging your heart" means that you are making a conscious decision about it, or not? Do you think you can pledge your heart unconsciously?And by the way, I agree completely that any physical mark would only be an outward demonstration of what already took place inside. Yes, you are going to be judged on your heart, but I believe it takes two or three witnesses to bring judgment (Deuteronomy 17:6), so the judgment would depend on your heart (thoughts, beliefs, convictions), your actions (outward demonstration), and your fruit (what your spirit brings forth). (You know, body, soul, and spirit, our triune makeup like God's triune makeup)
What I believe that scripture tells us that Antichrist will be claiming to be christ himself returned he comes in peacefully and prosperously, performing miracles and wonders, he will heal the deadly wound a delusion so great the entire world will believe he is christ returned ...Those who will willingly accept the mark will think they are following christthey wont be forced to take it they will chose to take it...out of ignorance and failure to hear Gods warning... Those of us that know antichrist comes first, that the tares are gathered first that read and hear Gods Word that the true Christ doesnt return until the 7th (last) trump those solidly sealed in Gods Word the overcomers/ Elect those who will be following the testimony of the two wittness's will refuse the mark ...Our very family members who have not heard Gods words of warning or been mislead will be trying to convince us to take the mark ..that is pledge our faith to antichrist and his one world religious system. Thinking they are trying to save us .... we are warned of this..Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. We that refuse the mark..refuse to accept antichrist as christ will be hated Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. You can read more of this in Luke 12:51 -56 God is allowing this to seperate the wheat from the chaff the true believer from the falseYou are either sealed/marked in heart/mind soul by Christ or antichrist there is no luke warm inbetween .. You will chose one side or the other ... You will either follow antichrist(mark of the beast) or the light of the two wittness's (sealed/marked by God)
 

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What I believe that scripture tells us that Antichrist will be claiming to be christ himself returned he comes in peacefully and prosperously, performing miracles and wonders, he will heal the deadly wound a delusion so great the entire world will believe he is christ returned ...Those who will willingly accept the mark will think they are following christthey wont be forced to take it they will chose to take it...out of ignorance and failure to hear Gods warning... Those of us that know antichrist comes first, that the tares are gathered first that read and hear Gods Word that the true Christ doesnt return until the 7th (last) trump those solidly sealed in Gods Word the overcomers/ Elect those who will be following the testimony of the two wittness's will refuse the mark ...Our very family members who have not heard Gods words of warning or been mislead will be trying to convince us to take the mark ..that is pledge our faith to antichrist and his one world religious system. Thinking they are trying to save us .... we are warned of this..Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. We that refuse the mark..refuse to accept antichrist as christ will be hated Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. You can read more of this in Luke 12:51 -56 God is allowing this to seperate the wheat from the chaff the true believer from the falseYou are either sealed/marked in heart/mind soul by Christ or antichrist there is no luke warm inbetween .. You will chose one side or the other ... You will either follow antichrist(mark of the beast) or the light of the two wittness's (sealed/marked by God)
Christina, thank you for your continued indulgence to my questions.Could I please bother you for another?I believe we will be marked (true Christians) with the seal, mark, name of God in our foreheads, but I was wondering why the mark, name, number of Satan (who also is a spirit) would NOT be a spiritual mark as God's mark is. And yes, I am well aware of Rev 13's reference to the mark as being "caused by Satan," and that the purpose behind Satan's plan is that eventually there would be no one left on earth who was NOT buying and selling in Satan's market. I would just like your viewpoint as to why the mark of Satan is automatically assumed to be a physical mark, but God's mark is spiritual?Thank you.
 

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Lloydnook, What is amazing to me is the fact that these wise andintellectual men cannot understand from the Holy Scriptures when Jesus birthday was, at least close. Consider the evidence at Luke, chapter 2 starting with the first verse. Here we are told about a decree that went forth from Augustus Caesar to have people registered. History shows this to have happened around the year 2BC. Herod the Great died around 1BC.Look at the other names that are mentioned at chapter 3, 1-5. Tiberius was Caesar of Rome, his 15th year was from 28CE to last part of 29CE. Pontius Pilate was governor, Herod Antipus was district ruler, etc. In verse 3-6, we are told about John the baptist starting to preach throughout the area around the Jordan river. All these things can be determined to have been in 2BC. Remember that John was 6 months older that Jesus, and he preached for 6 months before Jesus came to be baptized, Luke 1:24-27,34-36. History tells us that these were all in office as the Bible says, in 2BC. Luke was an expert in the offices of the men. It was a death penalty to write about a Roman and claim wrong offices for him. Another reason for understanding when Jesus was born is recorded at Luke 2:8, where we read about shephards living out of doors with their sheep. This is not done around Jerusalem because it is too cold in December. Sheep are kept close to their sheepfolds during winter. The evidence indicates that Jesus was born around the first of October 2 BC. There is much other evidence.
jtartar, or anyone, have you ever looked into the date of the full moon in regards to the time of Jesus' death? I'm only referring to an interesting coincidence of the Passover always being at the time of the full moon (14th or 15th of Nisan). According to SOME estimates of Jesus age (began to be about 30 years of age), and using some of the varied estimates, it would be interesting to trace the calendar(s) in order to see if the varied estimates of Jesus death coincide with a full moon. And no, I don't have the answer, just an interesting thought, and wondered if you (or anyone else) has had any insight into this, but it would (?) give some insight into the date of Christ's birth as well.
 

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Bullfighter Ive told you a 1000pardon me its been only 876 times times we are judged by our heart and Who our Rest never was it said who.jesus is lord of the sabbath and jesus gives you rest .that does not mean you can put the two together and say he is the sabbath..and try to justify a man made tradition .forsaking the camandment of god [this is one thing jesus warned about.why don't you see that it is plain truth in the bible is in not the day we worship if you start making every post about days againi do not and i do not agree with you ,it not biblical what you say.jesus is not the sabbath rest Which we are told NOT TO JUDGE BY and they are not on subject i was on subject we are talking about the mark .i do not make these coments in other post ,i am respecting your ruleI will again start deleting them i guess you got the control thereWe are saved by grace yes this is trueTold not to judge by what sabbath days one reststhat is not true how can you say that on so Your opinion is just an opinion not Gods Word We are to remember the Sabbath where/whomnever was a whom our Rest is in not Judge others by it... Your consent judgement on others alone is going to require your repentancei repent always and i do not judge you,i just know the truth on this subject and we disagree.i will be polite and not try to bring you to anger.Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: exactly the new moon can never change,niether can the sabbath be changed.and does this mean in your mind that all drunks and alcoholics are elcome in church in there drunkin state over and over again......and i do not know what the problem is ,so once in awhile i speak my truth not in long ways and not on every post....the sda is ,was wrong in many things i am not a sda..but i do no the deception that the rcc brought to the people.and so if i am wrong or so if you are wrong ,we will all see soon enough.one thing we should all know is when the seven years start,that would be a great thing to know...You are a man and you are judging God says you sre not to. Period i am sorry i get you angry.i do not judge.when it says do not judge there is only gods sabbaths and new moons they do not change.you can not judge me for acknowledging[and i do not judge you i just say that sunday is a man made day of rest made by the rcc and if that is what you want to keep fine] Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.exactly
 

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I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
 

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@ BullfighterColossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:(tomwebster;65692)
I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
Tom, read those yellow words inside Christina's quote. Those yellow words are bullfighter's words.
 

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@ BullfighterColossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Tom, read those yellow words inside Christina's quote. Those yellow words are bullfighter's words.
The yellow words don't make any sense either!
 

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Christina, thank you for your continued indulgence to my questions.Could I please bother you for another?I believe we will be marked (true Christians) with the seal, mark, name of God in our foreheads, but I was wondering why the mark, name, number of Satan (who also is a spirit) would NOT be a spiritual mark as God's mark is. And yes, I am well aware of Rev 13's reference to the mark as being "caused by Satan," and that the purpose behind Satan's plan is that eventually there would be no one left on earth who was NOT buying and selling in Satan's market. I would just like your viewpoint as to why the mark of Satan is automatically assumed to be a physical mark, but God's mark is spiritual?Thank you.
I hope I didn't lead you to believe I was saying other wise smitharbieI agree with you You have it exactly right Satan's mark is a spiritual mark/seal... same as Gods mark/seal except its Satan's ... seal/mark All I was saying is that even if one got a tattoo or chip to signify/ say they took Satan's mark the sin and mark is the spiritual act....... not any physical tattoo /chipMost people assume its physical because men said it was so. Not God.The book was closed by God (see Dan. 12:4 ) until the latter days (end times) it did not really begin to open till around the 20th century give or take 100 years most people go by what the reformers thought about this, but the book was sealed they could not see what God had closed. The reformers were given a different mission to spread the gospel of the good news around the World. The details of Satan, Antichrist marks/seals, trumps ect were not of the greatest importance to the Generations before us as these things would not come to pass in their lifetimes, so a general understanding was sufficient. We however are that Generation of the last days to us understanding these things is of great importance, even the apostles wanted to live in these times of Lords soon return. Unfortunately many today refuse to understand the book is now opened by God the seals are broken the book was opened to us. Rather than hear what the now opened book says they will believe what the reformers said about a closed book they could not understand.There was not even a reformed nation of Israel when their interpretations were made, many of the events of the End times, all take place around Jerusalem. How could they properly understand details of what did not even exist in their time? Yet men insist they were right about revelation and its closed book.