Defending Homosexuality

aspen · Jun 3, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
I would say a firm no to hating any human being. Hating someone is like drinking poison and hoping that the hated person dies. But hating the evil deeds is aligning ourselves with God in hating what He says He detests. He says He hates the shedding of innocent blood--that is why I hate abortion. But I do not hate the abortionist--I hope he or she comes under the conviction of the Holy Spirit and stops doing the evil deed. That is also my prayer.

I think the problem with this model is that many homosexuals have over-identified with their behavior; they believe they are their behavior. So, when you come along and reject their behavior, they believe you are rejecting them. Some homosexuals have a good reason for over-identification of their behavior (what some Christians call ‘flaunting’ their homosexuality) because they have had to hide it for much of their lives in order to feel safe

Interesting enough, many Christians, some of whom are overly critical of homosexual behavior, have themselves, over identified with their Christianity, the Bible, Catholic dogma, etc. Indeed, the very people accusing homosexuals of flaunting their gay-ness are constantly flaunting their Christianity by trying to mold their environment and everyone around them into their ideal of the Kingdom of God.

I tend to believe people will do anything to avoiding loving others - one of our favorite dodges is playing dress up - hiding our true self behind false identities just like our parents used fig leaves in the garden.

Pearl · Jun 3, 2019

Stranger said:
They flaunt it because they know people like you and me detest it. Because God detests it.

They really think they are doing their own thing. That they will choose the way they want to go and no one can tell them otherwise. They are so duped. They don't realize that they are homosexual because they are under the judgement of God. Homosexuality is itself a judgement from God upon a people. (Rom. 1:26-27) God has literally turned them over to it. Yet they think they are 'free spirits'.

Stranger

But what if they see the truth? And do you think that is likely?

Stranger · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
It's normal to them.

It's abnormal to God. And isn't that Who sets the benchmark for normality.

Stranger

aspen · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
It's normal to them.

It certainly is not normal to hate our enemies

Pearl · Jun 3, 2019

Stranger said:
It's abnormal to God. And isn't that Who sets the benchmark for normality.

Stranger

But I mean they don't know God, they don't recognise his authority and by their own standards it's normal.

Pearl · Jun 3, 2019

aspen said:
It certainly is not normal to hate our enemies

No and we should not hate gays or anybody else whose lifestyle we disagree with.

Stranger · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
But what if they see the truth? And do you think that is likely?

Scripture says they already know the truth but have rejected the truth. (Rom. 1:19) "...that which may be known of God is manifest in them..." (Rom.1:21) "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God...." (Rom. 1:24) "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness..." (Rom. 1:25) "Who changed the truth of God into a lie...." (Rom. 1:26) For this cause God gave them up to vile affections...." (Rom. 1:28) "...as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over..." (Rom. 1:32) "Who knowing the judgment of God...."

I would say anyone can repent who have strayed away from God. Nothing is impossible with God. But the chances of those who have denied God and have spiraled downward to the second giving up of God, the chances of them seeking God in repentance is slim and none. Most have reached the place where they do not care to be right with God.

Stranger

Stranger · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
But I mean they don't know God, they don't recognise his authority and by their own standards it's normal.

See post (987).

Stranger

Helen · Jun 3, 2019

I had often wondered if they called themselves Gay, or whether they were 'called Gay' by others.

Wiki

It seems they called themselves gay. I wonder why.
Quote:- Terms used to describe homosexuality have gone through many changes since the emergence of the first terms in the mid-19th century.
In English, some terms in widespread use have been sodomite , sapphic, Uranian , Homophile, lesbian , gay , and same-sex attracted.
Some of these words are specific to women, some to men, and some can be used of either. Gay people may also be identified under the umbrella terms queer and LGBT.

The term Homosexual was coined in 1869. > end quote.

A number of years back I heard a preacher say that Masturbation is a same sex relationship activity. It is relationship with self...= same sex having sex.

So...how do you like them apples!! ?

Maybe it would cause some to rethink their quick judgement eh?

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

Waiting on him said:
If infants are born homosexual, is it ok to abort them? By Gods standards that is?

People use many reasons to abort their unborn baby. And many reasons as others use not to adopt the unwanted.

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
I had often wondered if they called themselves Gay, or whether they were 'called Gay' by others.

Wiki

It seems they called themselves gay. I wonder why.
Quote:- Terms used to describe homosexuality have gone through many changes since the emergence of the first terms in the mid-19th century.
In English, some terms in widespread use have been sodomite , sapphic, Uranian , Homophile, lesbian , gay , and same-sex attracted.
Some of these words are specific to women, some to men, and some can be used of either. Gay people may also be identified under the umbrella terms queer and LGBT.

The term Homosexual was coined in 1869. > end quote.

A number of years back I heard a preacher say that Masturbation is a same sex relationship activity. It is relationship with self...= same sex having sex.

So...how do you like them apples!! ?

Maybe it would cause some to rethink their quick judgement eh?

Better themselves than me, I always say.

Waiting on him · Jun 3, 2019

Ok so we have two neighborhoods. In one there’s a neighbor, that say Christ died for me while I was yet in my sin. In the other neighborhood, there’s a neighbor with a sign in his yard that reads, I reject queers, ms 13 gang members, anyone that’s a different color than me, murderers, thieves. Etc. the sign reads on, I am the one with the winnowing fork in my hand, I decide who is the weed and who is the wheat.
Which neighborhood do any of you wish to live in?

Helen · Jun 3, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Ok so we have two neighborhoods. In one there’s a neighbor, that say Christ died for me while I was yet in my sin. In the other neighborhood, there’s a neighbor with a sign in his yard that reads, I reject queers, ms 13 gang members, anyone that’s a different color than me, murderers, thieves. Etc. the sign reads on, I am the one with the winnowing fork in my hand, I decide who is the weed and who is the wheat.
Which neighborhood do any of you wish to live in?

Oh wise one...

Thou knowest.

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

Fortunately, God has a higher and less "flexible" standard. He judges all by His standard--not that of men. The law in several states has decided it is just dandy to kill infants moments before natural birth. That is murder of the innocent--do you not think God will judge that? I hate what God has declared to be evil. Men can pass all kinds of laws permitting what is clearly evil but I will NEVER agree that a true Christian will or should praise it.

Being a born sinner, we are disqualified from judging True Christians ™ from the foulest ones.

I'm from Milwaukee and would be in the same Year Class as Jeffery Dahmer. I've had years
to dwell on one of the most heinous crimes in human history. How did it happen practically in my neighborhood?
People stayed away from Dahmer for whatever reasons. Evidently even his building manager.
AS A DIRECT RESULT of people avoiding Dahmer, he managed to drill holes in peoples heads.
Even the police backed away two months earlier failing to make a solid connection with him.

As a matter of background, I was an apartment building manager at two buildings around that time and I intentionally
kept conversation going with my residents because dialogue worked well to keep the drug dealers better
controlled, the thieves wary, and the prostitutes more sober. And that was just the building I lived in.

So I really don't care HOW offended people are by the actions of prostitutes, drug dealers,
same sex partners, or cannibals. Keeping an open dialogue with gay Jeff Dahmer could have
helped me, personally, to be the one to stop one of the most heinous killing sprees in history.

Advice from people who wish to keep their head in the sand is the proven downfall of civilization
and allowed JD to eat his victims. So complain about your pet peeves all you want.

Waiting on him · Jun 3, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Being a born sinner, we are disqualified from judging True Christians ™ from the foulest ones.

I'm from Milwaukee and would be in the same Year Class as Jeffery Dahmer. I've had years
to dwell on one of the most heinous crimes in human history. How did it happen practically in my neighborhood?
People stayed away from Dahmer for whatever reasons. Evidently even his building manager.
AS A DIRECT RESULT of people avoiding Dahmer, he managed to drill holes in peoples heads.
Even the police backed away two months earlier failing to make a solid connection with him.

As a matter of background, I was an apartment building manager at two buildings around that time and I intentionally
kept conversation going with my residents because dialogue worked well to keep the drug dealers better
controlled, the thieves wary, and the prostitutes more sober. And that was just the building I lived in.

So I really don't care HOW offended people are by the actions of prostitutes, drug dealers,
same sex partners, or cannibals. Keeping an open dialogue with gay Jeff Dahmer could have
helped me, personally, to be the one to stop one of the most heinous killing sprees in history.

Advice from people who wish to keep their head in the sand is the proven downfall of civilization
and allowed JD to eat his victims. So complain about your pet peeves all you want.

Jesus touched the leper’s.

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Ok so we have two neighborhoods. In one there’s a neighbor, that say Christ died for me while I was yet in my sin. In the other neighborhood, there’s a neighbor with a sign in his yard that reads, I reject queers, ms 13 gang members, anyone that’s a different color than me, murderers, thieves. Etc. the sign reads on, I am the one with the winnowing fork in my hand, I decide who is the weed and who is the wheat.
Which neighborhood do any of you wish to live in?

Living in the city, my neighbors are on that list. God has very specific ideas on how I treat them.

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
Yes they have, gay used to be a word that meant merry and happy but you can't use it like that anymore as it's been hijacked. If people want to be 'gay' then that's their choice but why do they have to be so in your face about it. Surely our sexuality is a private matter but they flaunt it and that's what gets me.

Most do not flaunt. Those that do are not outnumbered by your preferred choice of sex partner, who does.

SkyWriting · Jun 3, 2019

Pearl said:
In the UK you could be arrested for calling somebody a 'queer' It would be counted as a hate crime because it is derogatory. We are not supposed to use such terms even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

Follow your local law as it is God's will for man.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17

Waiting on him · Jun 3, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Living in the city, my neighbors are on that list. God has very specific ideas on how I treat them.

My opinion is that all of this hate is grounded in fear.

Waiting on him · Jun 3, 2019

Waiting on him said:
My opinion is that all of this hate is grounded in fear.

The fear of losing one life. After all it’s the only true leverage that Satan has.

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