Mark of the beast!?

(smitharbie;65673)
....And yes, I am well aware of Rev 13's reference to the mark as being "caused by Satan," and that the purpose behind Satan's plan is that eventually there would be no one left on earth who was NOT buying and selling in Satan's market. I would just like your viewpoint as to why the mark of Satan is automatically assumed to be a physical mark, but God's mark is spiritual?Thank you.
So why did God put a mark on Cain? The answer to that question might give us an idea what the mark was. Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Gen 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Now, if Cain had a visible mark, everyone would know who he was. I think Cain's mark was being unseen. He was not recognized; his kin are also not recognized. They blend in with whatever group they become a part of, be they with Judah, or any other nationality.His great grand son didn't even see him and accidently killed him;Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. Gen 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. Gen 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. By the way, for an interesting study, look at the meanings of the different names in these verses. And in the side column of the Companion Bible.

Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Now, if Cain had a visible mark, everyone would know who he was. I think Cain's mark was being unseen. He was not recognized; his kin are also not recognized. They blend in with whatever group they become a part of, be they with Judah, or any other nationality.
Genesis 4:15 clearly says that Cain's mark was visible. The whole point of him being marked in the first place was that someone would see it and not kill him.

True but you are overlooking the spiritual Cain was a murder and a liar his heart was given over to Satan for his sin he wasnt condemed becase he had an outward mark he was condemed because of his sins and giving his heart to Satan and his ways... So again his heart was sealed /marked in Satan spirtually .. the outward mark was only to idenify him outwardly to other humans...

I wasn't saying that his condemnation was because of the physical mark, just that a physical mark existed. I believe that the mark of the beast will be a physical mark as well as a spiritual one. I also believe that it's going to be something that has been around for a long time. Deception works really well through desensitization, especially over a long period of time.

(TWC;65716)
I wasn't saying that his condemnation was because of the physical mark, just that a physical mark existed. I believe that the mark of the beast will be a physical mark as well as a spiritual one. I also believe that it's going to be something that has been around for a long time. Deception works really well through desensitization, especially over a long period of time.
I realize you were not saying that and I pretty much agree with what you say I put emphasis on the spiritual because its the part most people dont get they think a government forces the mark upon you ... And just as Cain decided to follow Satans evil ways himself .. in his heart/mind and do the devils work (hand) So will those taking the Mark/ Seal of the beast decide to follow him(antichrist) in their hearts/mind willingly thinking he is christ .. the outter mark is just symbolic of their spiritual choice

(tomwebster;65692)
I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
if you care to show me the parts you do not understand .i will try better.if you wish to leave the matter alone that is fine .i will say that the issue will present itself someday then everyone can take it from there.i hope the spirit that comes in abundance[the last out pouring]will help all of us with what we need to do.....

(Christina;65702)
I hope I didn't lead you to believe I was saying other wise smitharbieI agree with you You have it exactly right Satan's mark is a spiritual mark/seal... same as Gods mark/seal except its Satan's ... seal/mark All I was saying is that even if one got a tattoo or chip to signify/ say they took Satan's mark the sin and mark is the spiritual act....... not any physical tattoo /chipMost people assume its physical because men said it was so. Not God.The book was closed by God (see Dan. 12:4 ) until the latter days (end times) it did not really begin to open till around the 20th century give or take 100 years most people go by what the reformers thought about this, but the book was sealed they could not see what God had closed. The reformers were given a different mission to spread the gospel of the good news around the World. The details of Satan, Antichrist marks/seals, trumps ect were not of the greatest importance to the Generations before us as these things would not come to pass in their lifetimes, so a general understanding was sufficient. We however are that Generation of the last days to us understanding these things is of great importance, even the apostles wanted to live in these times of Lords soon return. Unfortunately many today refuse to understand the book is now opened by God the seals are broken the book was opened to us. Rather than hear what the now opened book says they will believe what the reformers said about a closed book they could not understand.There was not even a reformed nation of Israel when their interpretations were made, many of the events of the End times, all take place around Jerusalem. How could they properly understand details of what did not even exist in their time? Yet men insist they were right about revelation and its closed book.
Christina. Thanks once again, and especially for clarification concerning the spiritual mark of Satan. As long as we're talking about the Mark of the Beast, have you or anyone else ever connected the 'number' of the beast, which is the number of man (666) with the three part makeup of humans (and God), and that 666 is an expression of man's 6 day creation, which is therefore aligned with the animal kingdom because it is flesh and blood, but that when we are born again in spirit we enter into the 7th day rest of God. Of course, entering into his rest takes us out of the sixth day creation concept. Anyway, because we are three part humans, the 6th day is expressed as 6-6-6 in order to demonstrate the three part designation of Satan's people. The alternate would be 7-7-7, which would be the three part number of God, and would represent that you have entered into God's rest (symbolized in the Old Testament by the Seventh Day), and each part of you (body, soul, spirit) has a seven. This would mean that your confession with your lips was one proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and the daily actions of your life was the second proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and then the fruit you bear by the Holy Spirit would be the third proof (final 7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus.Sorry, I probably have not made this too clear. Does anyone see this at all?And oh, BTW Christina, I appreciated your former comments concerning the forehead as the place where your mind is, and the works connected (? am I quoting you accurately?) with the hand. Of course, works would point to the mark in the hand, but would not necessarily explain why it was the RIGHT hand. I think Eccl 10:2 and Matt 6:3 explains this though.

666 is not even a devils number. It means 6th Vial, 6th Seal and 6th Trumpet. Christ's number is 888, however, Christ is coming back at the seventh and final Trumpet (II Corinthians 15:52, I Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 11:15)

(TWC;65709)
Genesis 4:15 clearly says that Cain's mark was visible. The whole point of him being marked in the first place was that someone would see it and not kill him.
Well, TWC, I think you are reading more into it than is there. But we'll see some day soon.bullfighter, the part in yellow.smitharbie, the right hand is considered the place of power.

TomwebsterYes, the right hand represents the power, in that it is the dominant hand, and because it is the hand which usually takes, and is dominant, Solomon says that the heart should be provided for with it (Eccl 10:2). If the heart (spiritual seat of man) is provided for with the left hand, and the belly (fleshly desires seat of man) are provided by the right hand, then that man will become fleshly instead of spiritual. To be born again in Spirit requires that the Spirit man reigns over the flesh. It is the flesh which gets in the way of the Spirit when we give offerings for prideful reasons, as Jesus referred to in Matt 6:3. In essence, if we are constantly reaching out to the things of this world and seldom reach out to things above, then we have our heart in our left hand and our right hand is taking everything for the flesh instead of for the spiritual things of God. It is the dominance of the right hand, in that it is the hand that is being used the most, that should be used to provide heavenly things for our spirit man.

(smitharbie;65728)
Christina. Thanks once again, and especially for clarification concerning the spiritual mark of Satan. As long as we're talking about the Mark of the Beast, have you or anyone else ever connected the 'number' of the beast, which is the number of man (666) with the three part makeup of humans (and God), and that 666 is an expression of man's 6 day creation, which is therefore aligned with the animal kingdom because it is flesh and blood, but that when we are born again in spirit we enter into the 7th day rest of God. Of course, entering into his rest takes us out of the sixth day creation concept. Anyway, because we are three part humans, the 6th day is expressed as 6-6-6 in order to demonstrate the three part designation of Satan's people. The alternate would be 7-7-7, which would be the three part number of God, and would represent that you have entered into God's rest (symbolized in the Old Testament by the Seventh Day), and each part of you (body, soul, spirit) has a seven. This would mean that your confession with your lips was one proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and the daily actions of your life was the second proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and then the fruit you bear by the Holy Spirit would be the third proof (final 7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus.Sorry, I probably have not made this too clear. Does anyone see this at all?And oh, BTW Christina, I appreciated your former comments concerning the forehead as the place where your mind is, and the works connected (? am I quoting you accurately?) with the hand. Of course, works would point to the mark in the hand, but would not necessarily explain why it was the RIGHT hand. I think Eccl 10:2 and Matt 6:3 explains this though.
I agree with you and Tom ..But I think the right hand means several things, what we have already discussed, but it also signifies who gets the inheratance. Gen 48: 17-18.. So if you have taken the mark in the right hand you have taken the inheratance from the wrong christ................... I think the 666 is to help us identify that AntiChrist is Satan himself, 6 is the number of man but this is a particular man he is the beast Which leads us to tribulation. Which is the 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal but what happens at the 5th trump that harolds the tribulation period that is the 6th trump Rev.9 1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. This star is an Angel (rev. 1:20) that is given the key to pit this angel is Satan himself, he is the King of the locust army (and army of fallen Angels) 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev. 12:9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev. 12: 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Now that we know this is Satan let those who have wisdom see who this Man is. Isa.14: 7-9 clearly identifies this is after Christs return and he is speaking about Lucifer/Satan Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Satan was filled with pride thought he should be God and set his throne above Gods 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Satan is clearly called a man here he is that man of sin, the son of perdition that we are told must come first before the gathering to our lord this is confirmed again in 2 Thess 22 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(Christina;65893)
(smitharbie;65728)
Christina. Thanks once again, and especially for clarification concerning the spiritual mark of Satan. As long as we're talking about the Mark of the Beast, have you or anyone else ever connected the 'number' of the beast, which is the number of man (666) with the three part makeup of humans (and God), and that 666 is an expression of man's 6 day creation, which is therefore aligned with the animal kingdom because it is flesh and blood, but that when we are born again in spirit we enter into the 7th day rest of God. Of course, entering into his rest takes us out of the sixth day creation concept. Anyway, because we are three part humans, the 6th day is expressed as 6-6-6 in order to demonstrate the three part designation of Satan's people. The alternate would be 7-7-7, which would be the three part number of God, and would represent that you have entered into God's rest (symbolized in the Old Testament by the Seventh Day), and each part of you (body, soul, spirit) has a seven. This would mean that your confession with your lips was one proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and the daily actions of your life was the second proof (7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus, and then the fruit you bear by the Holy Spirit would be the third proof (final 7) that your heart, mind, and soul belonged to Jesus.Sorry, I probably have not made this too clear. Does anyone see this at all?And oh, BTW Christina, I appreciated your former comments concerning the forehead as the place where your mind is, and the works connected (? am I quoting you accurately?) with the hand. Of course, works would point to the mark in the hand, but would not necessarily explain why it was the RIGHT hand. I think Eccl 10:2 and Matt 6:3 explains this though.
I agree with you and Tom ..But I think the right hand means several things, what we have already discussed, but it also signifies who gets the inheratance. Gen 48: 17-18.. So if you have taken the mark in the right hand you have taken the inheratance from the wrong christ................... I think the 666 is to help us identify that AntiChrist is Satan himself, 6 is the number of man but this is a particular man he is the beast Which leads us to tribulation. Which is the 6th trump, 6th vial, 6th seal but what happens at the 5th trump that harolds the tribulation period that is the 6th trump Rev.9 1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. This star is an Angel (rev. 1:7) that is given the key to pit this angel is Satan himself, he is the King of the locust army (and army of fallen Angels) 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev. 12:9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev. 12: 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Now that we know this is Satan let those who have wisdom see who this Man is. Isa.14: 7-9 clearly identifies this is after Christs return and he is speaking about Lucifer/Satan Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Satan was filled with pride thought he should be God and set his throne above Gods 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Satan is clearly called a man here he is that man of sin, the son of perdition that we are told must come first before the gathering to our lord this is confirmed again in 2 Thess 22 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.I definately agree with smithharbie and Christina, at 100%. But as always, I will quote a few scriptures.Genesis 48:17 - And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.Genesis 48:18 - And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:As I was saying, Joseph's father, Jacob has put his right hand on Ephraim, but Joseph wanted it on Manasseh. This is a bad decision made by Joseph. Manasseh means forgotten So to place our inheritance on a false Christ aka Satan, we have forgotten Christ.Also note that Manasseh is the first born. Likewise, Satan is coming back first. Revelation 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.II Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;II Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Some excellent observations Jordan

(Jordan;65895)
I definately agree with smithharbie and Christina, at 100%. But as always, I will quote a few scriptures.Genesis 48:17 - And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.Genesis 48:18 - And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:As I was saying, Joseph's father, Jacob has put his right hand on Ephraim, but Joseph wanted it on Manasseh. This is a bad decision made by Joseph. Manasseh means forgotten So to place our inheritance on a false Christ aka Satan, we have forgotten Christ.Also note that Manasseh is the first born. Likewise, Satan is coming back first. Revelation 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.II Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;II Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
relationship with god gives you the feast.....by the way good post.

My question still remains, where is the "camp of the saints" and why would they be ignored until the end of the thousand year reign?

They arent precepts thats your misunderstanding ...Let me ask you who are the Saints ???

Christina's
They arent precepts thats your misunderstanding ...Let me ask you who are the Saints ???
First of all, you dodged the question of where's the "camp". Secondly, we know that the firstfruits rule with Christ a thousand yrs in his temple where the ark of his testimony is seen in the old Jerusalem. Thirdly, we know it's the old Jerusalem because it's at the second ressurection that the New Jerusalem and New Earth are established without a temple. There's no mention of a "camp" until after the 1,000 yrs. All the saved are in Jerusalem. Where's the camp of the saints?
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(precepts;65973)
Christina's(Christina;65923)
They arent precepts thats your misunderstanding ...Let me ask you who are the Saints ???
First of all, you dodged the question of where's the "camp". Secondly, we know that the firstfruits rule with Christ a thousand yrs in his temple where the ark of his testimony is seen in the old Jerusalem. Thirdly, we know it's the old Jerusalem because it's at the second ressurection that the New Jerusalem and New Earth are established without a temple. There's no mention of a "camp" until after the 1,000 yrs. All the saved are in Jerusalem. Where's the camp of the saints?She didn't dodge the question, she just said it's your misinterpretation. Those words are only there in one verse, and it's impossible to make a doctrine of God with just one verse. You will just only make a doctrine of men out of one verse.There is only two sticks, Judah and Israel (Gentiles) these are the bride of Christ that shall be saved in the Lamb's blood. These are the Church, or in your case I'll say "the camp of the saints" (Ezekiel 37)

Jordan's
She didn't dodge the question, she just said it's your misinterpretation. Those words are only there in one verse, and it's impossible to make a doctrine of God with just one verse. You will just only make a doctrine of men out of one verse.
If she didn't dodge the question then where's the camp of the saints?Jordan's
There is only two sticks, Judah and Israel (Gentiles) these are the bride of Christ that shall be saved in the Lamb's blood. These are the Church, or in your case I'll say "the camp of the saints" (Ezekiel 37)
So where is the camp? You haven't answered the question of where's the camp? The camp is a different location from "the beloved city".
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Jordan;65895)
I definately agree with smithharbie and Christina, at 100%. But as always, I will quote a few scriptures.Genesis 48:17 - And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.Genesis 48:18 - And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:As I was saying, Joseph's father, Jacob has put his right hand on Ephraim, but Joseph wanted it on Manasseh. This is a bad decision made by Joseph. Manasseh means forgotten So to place our inheritance on a false Christ aka Satan, we have forgotten Christ.Also note that Manasseh is the first born. Likewise, Satan is coming back first. Revelation 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.II Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;II Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
lev 16:29 31 34 lev 23:31 isiah 29:13 math 15:8 9 mark 7:7 8 9 13 rev 14:12 rev 12:17why do people add there own words to the plain words given from god,the beast will be more perswaysive in the mark then in xmas and easter..and these things you can not even give up ,and look where they came from...its like you all try to read like you are lawyers of the law..and the law is plane infront of you tilling you what to look for and tilling you your nature that drives you to blindness..we are heading into the leadership of the beast here it is no game that can be taken lightly