"That Wicked" has problems!

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Zechariah says that the feet of the Messiah will touch the Mount of Olives and the ground will split in two. There is no mention of fire. I agree that just before the Final Judgment (after the Millennium) He will send fire from heaven to burn up all His enemies who are surrounding Jerusalem.

I think that I explained it well, that when the KoG was taken away from the Jews/Israel, and given to another, the KoG IS NOT with them and therefore, all of God's prophetic pronouncements to them, under the OLD Covenant, became void and dysfunctional.
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Christianity is and has been "wixng mords" for years and still have not learned that we who are Born Again, are indeed "new creatures", a whole new creation, requiring only the words of God from The Word of God Himself, who speaks words that are Spirit!

Lady Crosstalk · Jun 3, 2019

Earburner said:
I think that I explained it well, that when the KoG was taken away from the Jews/Israel, and given to another, the KoG IS NOT with them and therefore, all of God's prophetic pronouncements to them, under the OLD Covenant, became void and dysfunctional.
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Christianity is and has been "wixng mords" for years and still have not learned that we who are Born Again, are indeed "new creatures", a whole new creation, requiring only the words of God from The Word of God Himself, who speaks words that are Spirit!

Zechariah 10:6-9---> " I will strengthen the house of Judah and deliver the house of Joseph [Judah and "Joseph" represents Israel]. I will restore them because I have compassion on them, and they will be as though I had not rejected them. For I am the LORD their God, and I will answer them. Ephraim will be like a mighty man, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be glad; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD. I will whistle for them to gather, for I have redeemed them; from the few who are left, they will be as numerous as they once were. Though I sow them among the nations, they will remember Me in distant lands; they and their children will live and return."

This has never happened that the Tribe of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) has ever returned to the Land. Therefore, we must conclude that it is yet in the future. No?

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
“He is coming in flaming fire.”

May I ask if you believe the thousand year reign is already or yet future?

To answer that yes and no, requires explanation, in order to help you understand why.

I can do that, but how long will it take to displace a full glass of dirty water, with clear water, one drop at a time, when all the while two drops of dirty water are still flowing into the glass, at the same rate?

VictoryinJesus · Jun 3, 2019

Earburner said:
To answer that yes and no, requires explanation, in order to help you understand why.

I can do that, but how long will it take to displace a full glass of dirty water, with clear water, one drop at a time, when all the while two drops of dirty water are still flowing into the glass, at the same rate?

Does it explain how those who reign with Christ have already refused the mark of the beast otherwise they would not reign? Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This MoB and falling away if yet future to be revealed, then comes those who refuse this mark during that time...then comes the thousand year reign of Christ? Is that what you are saying?

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Does it explain how those who reign with Christ have already refused the mark of the beast otherwise they would not reign? Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This MoB and falling away if yet future to be revealed, then comes those who refuse this mark during that time...then comes the thousand year reign of Christ? Is that what you are saying?

And there you go, keeping the glass full of dirty water, before any clear water gets started!

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Zechariah 10:6-9---> " I will strengthen the house of Judah and deliver the house of Joseph [Judah and Israel]. I will restore them because I have compassion on them, and they will be as though I had not rejected them. For I am the LORD their God, and I will answer them. Ephraim will be like a mighty man, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be glad; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD. I will whistle for them to gather, for I have redeemed them; from the few who are left, they will be as numerous as they once were. Though I sow them among the nations, they will remember Me in distant lands; they and their children will live and return."

This has never happened that the Tribe of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) has ever returned to the Land. Therefore, we must conclude that it is yet in the future. No?

I don't think there is anyone today who can track the tribes of Israel, except God if He cared to.
Rev., is about the 12000 x 12 tribes, being symbolic of the random individual Jews, who have come out of all the generations, to God through faith in Jesus.
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God rejected the Jews numerous times.
2 Kings 17[20] And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.
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Are you saying that God IS A respecter of persons, and that God will GIVE ALL of Israel the Holy Spirit, without having faith in Jesus, their Messiah?

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Does it explain how those who reign with Christ have already refused the mark of the beast otherwise they would not reign? Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This MoB and falling away if yet future to be revealed, then comes those who refuse this mark during that time...then comes the thousand year reign of Christ? Is that what you are saying?

When will you know what the MoB is?
After you have involved yourself with it, or before you do?

VictoryinJesus · Jun 3, 2019

Earburner said:
And there you go, keeping the glass full of dirty water, before any clear water gets started!

Not sure how. Projecting what the MoB will be in universal income; I was only curious if that means you see the thousand reign after that falling away and mark. If you don’t want to answer it is ok. Do understand what you are saying about maybe it is not a simple answer but one that comes a little at a time. But thanks.

Lady Crosstalk · Jun 3, 2019

Earburner said:
I don't think there is anyone today who can track the tribes of Israel, except God if He cared to.

And He will--He promised to do so. You read the Zechariah quote, right? For the Tribe of Joseph particularly, there are colonies throughout the Middle East, who claim they are descended from Ephraim and/or Manasseh. They are in the process of genetic testing by the Israeli authorities so that they can come to Israel under The Right of Return Law.

Rev., is about the 12000 x 12 tribes, being symbolic of the random individual Jews, who have come out of all the generations, to God through faith in Jesus.

No, I don't think so. Why be so specific about each Tribe if it was just symbolic? You will note that there is no Tribe of Dan listed--God apparently has His reason for excluding them--maybe there are none left alive? Ephraim and Joseph are often interchangeable names when naming the descendants of Joseph. Of course, Manasseh is named separately. Those are real tribesmen and God knows where every single one is. He will bring them into the Beautiful Land and unite them with Judah. It says so in Ezekiel 37. Some will have faith in Jesus, but some won't. God says though, He will pour out a Spirit of Grace on them.
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God rejected the Jews numerous times.
2 Kings 17[20] And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight. Are you saying that God IS A respecter of persons, and that God will GIVE ALL of Israel the Holy Spirit, without having faith in Jesus, their Messiah?

That line about God not being a "respecter of persons" (Acts 10:34) is referring to salvation--that He gives grace to everyone who embraces His Son, in repentance and faith--Jew and Gentile alike. But God admits that Israel is the "apple of my eye" in Zechariah 2:8 (other translations say "my most cherished possession") because originally the meaning of the expression was uncertain in the Hebrew. We know the expression today as meaning a favored son or daughter. God declares His love for Israel throughout the Old Testament and says it is not because they are anything special. Moses said (Exodus 33:19) that He grants mercy and compassion to whomever He chooses. The Apostle Paul quotes the Exodus passage in Romans 9:15. The Apostle Paul (in Romans 11:25-28) further states that, when the full number of the Gentiles has come into the Kingdom, then God will turn to Israel and they will know their Messiah and come to faith and repentance (pictured in the last three chapters of Zechariah). It is then that Israel will be given what has been promised to them.

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
1. Not sure how. Projecting what the MoB will be in universal income;
2. I was only curious if that means you see the thousand reign after that falling away and mark.
3.If you don’t want to answer it is ok. Do understand what you are saying about maybe it is not a simple answer but one that comes a little at a time. But thanks.

1. The confusion of what the MoB shall be, is rampant among Christians, because their approach to understanding it is all wrong, due to the many false prophets, trying to deliver it on a "religious" platter.
Clue #1- the MoB will be NON-religious.
#2- it has nothing to do with any "one" man in the future, but rather "a man" in the distant past.
#3- the focus of that man was how much gold came to him freely in one year.
#4- the number "six hundred, threescore and six" is nothing but a reference point, and is not significant of itself in the book of Revelations.
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The mark, the name or the number of the beast is all about permission to buy and sell electronically, using an approved form of Global currency, that will be available in the form of digital money (crypto currency) only.
We all have heard of it. One such trial, is that of "Bit-Coin".
Did you know, at the moment, one " Bit-Coin" equals $8018.00 US dollars?

Rev. 13[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, [for individuals]
or the name of the beast, [for governments]
or the number of his name [for businesses].
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The source of the approved, new form of global digital money, will originate from England and the EU (the Beast with 10 horns), being that of ten countries (horns) out of Europe.

The "seat" of the Beast (Rev. 16:10) shall be found to be the Elite Bankers of the world, aka the Illuminati, who literally do "worship the dragon (Lucifer/satan)", and operate through England and the EU, controlling ALL of "The Central Banks" in the world.
The Illuminati are the founders of the UN.

Earburner · Jun 3, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
And He will--He promised to do so. You read the Zechariah quote, right? For the Tribe of Joseph particularly, there are colonies throughout the Middle East, who claim they are descended from Ephraim and/or Manasseh. They are in the process of genetic testing by the Israeli authorities so that they can come to Israel under The Right of Return Law.

No, I don't think so. Why be so specific about each Tribe if it was just symbolic? You will note that there is no Tribe of Dan listed--God apparently has His reason for excluding them--maybe there are none left alive? Ephraim and Joseph are often interchangeable names when naming the descendants of Joseph. Of course, Manasseh is named separately. Those are real tribesmen and God knows where every single one is. He will bring them into the Beautiful Land and unite them with Judah. It says so in Ezekiel 37. Some will have faith in Jesus, but some won't. God says though, He will pour out a Spirit of Grace on them.
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That line about God not being a "respecter of persons" (Acts 10:34) is referring to salvation--that He gives grace to everyone who embraces His Son, in repentance and faith--Jew and Gentile alike. But God admits that Israel is the "apple of my eye" in Zechariah 2:8 (other translations say "my most cherished possession") because originally the meaning of the expression was uncertain in the Hebrew. We know the expression today as meaning a favored son or daughter. God declares His love for Israel throughout the Old Testament and says it is not because they are anything special. Moses said (Exodus 33:19) that He grants mercy and compassion to whomever He chooses. The Apostle Paul quotes the Exodus passage in Romans 9:15. The Apostle Paul (in Romans 11:25-28) further states that, when the full number of the Gentiles has come into the Kingdom, then God will turn to Israel and they will know their Messiah and come to faith and repentance (pictured in the last three chapters of Zechariah). It is then that Israel will be given what has been promised to them.

What was " Promised" to them was that the Deliverer would come, of which He did! But for them, they did not know the time of their visitation.
God is no respecter of persons, Gentile or Jew! All are sinners and are condemned ALREADY.

Earburner · Jun 4, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Zechariah 10:6-9---> " I will strengthen the house of Judah and deliver the house of Joseph [Judah and "Joseph" represents Israel]. I will restore them because I have compassion on them, and they will be as though I had not rejected them. For I am the LORD their God, and I will answer them. Ephraim will be like a mighty man, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be glad; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD. I will whistle for them to gather, for I have redeemed them; from the few who are left, they will be as numerous as they once were. Though I sow them among the nations, they will remember Me in distant lands; they and their children will live and return."

This has never happened that the Tribe of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) has ever returned to the Land. Therefore, we must conclude that it is yet in the future. No?

No.
Please think deeper than you do.

The key words to note from your quote are, "strengthen", "deliver", "restore", "as though", "glad hearts", "rejoice", "gather them", " redeemed", "few left", "will live", "remember me", and "return (to Me)" .
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Do you not recall that Jesus spoke those words, and/or ARE those words?

Earburner · Jun 4, 2019

In relation to what I have revealed, please consider what Jesus said about the prophetic words in the old Testament (covenant):
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Lady Crosstalk · Jun 4, 2019

Earburner said:
Please think deeper than you do.

Is it necessary to insult those with whom you disagree?

The key words to note from your quote are, "strengthen", "deliver", "restore", "as though", "glad hearts", "rejoice", "gather them", " redeemed", "few left", "will live", "remember me", and "return (to Me)" . Do you not recall that Jesus spoke those words, and/or ARE those words?

Yes, He did and yes, I remember that He did. He came to bring the spiritual kingdom in His first visitation. He will come to judge and then cover the earth with His righteous rule in His second visitation. Listening to so-called "deeper truths" was what got the church at Thyatira into trouble with the Risen Lord Jesus (Revelation 2:24). The obvious and clear meaning of the surface text is quite enough for me, thanks.

Earburner · Jun 4, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Is it necessary to insult those with whom you disagree?

Yes, He did and yes, I remember that He did. He came to bring the spiritual kingdom in His first visitation. He will come to judge and then cover the earth with His righteous rule in His second visitation. Listening to so-called "deeper truths" was what got the church at Thyatira into trouble with the Risen Lord Jesus (Revelation 2:24). The obvious and clear meaning of the surface text is quite enough for me, thanks.

No insult intended! Just a reminder to think about how Jesus FULFILLED Zechariah, in the WAYS of how God THINKS, and not how our "natural" mind wants to think about it. Isaiah 55:8, John 5:39.
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The next event of God from Heaven, is Jesus will return, not secretly/invisibly, but rather visibly in flaming fire. 2 Thes. 1:8.

Waiting on him · Jun 4, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Is it necessary to insult those with whom you disagree?

Yes, He did and yes, I remember that He did. He came to bring the spiritual kingdom in His first visitation. He will come to judge and then cover the earth with His righteous rule in His second visitation. Listening to so-called "deeper truths" was what got the church at Thyatira into trouble with the Risen Lord Jesus (Revelation 2:24). The obvious and clear meaning of the surface text is quite enough for me, thanks.

Does Christ not rule now over those in Him?

Earburner · Jun 4, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
And He will--He promised to do so. You read the Zechariah quote, right? For the Tribe of Joseph particularly, there are colonies throughout the Middle East, who claim they are descended from Ephraim and/or Manasseh. They are in the process of genetic testing by the Israeli authorities so that they can come to Israel under The Right of Return Law.

No, I don't think so. Why be so specific about each Tribe if it was just symbolic? You will note that there is no Tribe of Dan listed--God apparently has His reason for excluding them--maybe there are none left alive? Ephraim and Joseph are often interchangeable names when naming the descendants of Joseph. Of course, Manasseh is named separately. Those are real tribesmen and God knows where every single one is. He will bring them into the Beautiful Land and unite them with Judah. It says so in Ezekiel 37. Some will have faith in Jesus, but some won't. God says though, He will pour out a Spirit of Grace on them.
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That line about God not being a "respecter of persons" (Acts 10:34) is referring to salvation--that He gives grace to everyone who embraces His Son, in repentance and faith--Jew and Gentile alike. But God admits that Israel is the "apple of my eye" in Zechariah 2:8 (other translations say "my most cherished possession") because originally the meaning of the expression was uncertain in the Hebrew. We know the expression today as meaning a favored son or daughter. God declares His love for Israel throughout the Old Testament and says it is not because they are anything special. Moses said (Exodus 33:19) that He grants mercy and compassion to whomever He chooses. The Apostle Paul quotes the Exodus passage in Romans 9:15. The Apostle Paul (in Romans 11:25-28) further states that, when the full number of the Gentiles has come into the Kingdom, then God will turn to Israel and they will know their Messiah and come to faith and repentance (pictured in the last three chapters of Zechariah). It is then that Israel will be given what has been promised to them.

LCT wrote:
"That line about God not being a "respecter of persons" (Acts 10:34) is referring to salvation--that He gives grace to everyone who embraces His Son, in repentance and faith--Jew and Gentile alike."
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> The newly fabricated Jewish nation of Israel does not "embrace His Son". Apart from the "remnant" of all the tribes of Israel, some DO embrace His Son, and are born again of His Spirit.
The majority however, are and have been quite literally "of that spirit of antichrist".
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1 John 4[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
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God is no respecter of persons!!

Waiting on him · Jun 4, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Does Christ not rule now over those in Him?

Revelation 2 is a very searching chapter.
I especially am interested in the verse where Jesus says, they will be broken into shivers even as I received of my Father?

VictoryinJesus · Jun 4, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Revelation 2 is a very searching chapter.
I especially am interested in the verse where Jesus says, they will be broken into shivers even as I received of my Father?

Revelation 2:27
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Beautiful isn’t it? Can’t tell you how many times as the thread title “the wicked has problems” it is said of God in a negative evil way that He will rule them with a rod of iron.

Hebrews 12:7-12
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? [8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. [9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us , and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? [10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. [12] Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

“And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father” God always works “for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

There is only One who profits...
“EVEN as I received of my Father”
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

VictoryinJesus · Jun 4, 2019

Earburner said:
The "seat" of the Beast

We are in the seat of the beast right now. In but not of that seat which authority(man’s) is comes down under His feet.

"That Wicked" has problems!

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