Revelation 17: 1-18Please read Revelation 17 so we can continue with the revealing of the Great ***** and the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns.Briefly, John is shown the final judgment of the great ***** due to her own course of action. This great *****, referred to as Babylon the great, was shown to John in the wilderness. This is an important setting, as will be seen later.The description of the ***** is parallel to the first beast of Revelation 13 that also has seven heads and ten horns indicating that both symbols represent the same entity – that being the Roman Catholic papal system. Furthermore, the ***** is described as sitting on seven mountains Rome has frequently been identified as the City of Seven Hills, from classical times down to contemporary time.Whereas in Revelation 13 the union of church and state was blended in one symbol, in Revelation 17 God has pictured them separately. A woman always symbolizes a church in the Bible, in this case the ***** – an impure church. And a beast has always signified a kingdom or state that persecutes God's people. So we have an impure woman sitting on (i.e. controlling) a scarlet-colored beast (state). This again reinforces the reality of the Catholic system being the only system that is a church and an earthly kingdom at the same time. This church is described as being eminently rich, proud, and more importantly, very corrupt. Indeed, it represents Satan's final supreme instrument of deception.When one of the seven kings reappears from the bottomless pit as the eighth king but in the form of a beast, the ten kings of the earth (ten is an all-inclusive, universal number indicating that this includes all earthly rulers; cf. parable of ten virgins) will be greatly awed by the beast, and will willingly surrender their power to the beast for a short time. Both the beast and the ten kings will rule and war against Christ in the person of His followers for a short time, but will not overcome them.Just before the end of all things, the ten kings will discover that they have been ensnared and deceived by the beast (the eighth king from the bottomless pit) and they will turn with vengeance against the beast system, and destroy it. For they will this time, though belatedly, be doing God's will.1. Great ***** sitting on the beast was viewed in the wilderness (Rev. 17:3).This is important as it is not by happenstance that the "great ***** who sitteth upon the scarlet beast" was seen in the wilderness. In Revelation 17, God is indicating the time-period that the Roman Catholic Church is viewed in. To understand what will happen to the world when she comes out of her wilderness experience, we need to understand how the Roman Catholic Church entered this wilderness experience.2. What does wilderness mean in Bible prophecy?In the Book of Revelation we have another instance of a church that went into the wilderness. It was God's true church during the Middle Ages, when the church was subject to papal persecution: “And the woman (church) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand and two hundred and threescore days.” Revelation 12:6. We know that this church was pure, for it is God who led her to the wilderness, away from the papal persecution that raged for 1260 years from 538 A.D. until 1798 A.D. The dragon (Satan) was warring against the church during this period, using his earthly instrument, the Roman Catholic Church: "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Revelation 12:14. The wilderness then, in Bible prophecy, is a figure of speech picturing the harsh conditions facing a church in a particular period in her history.3. When did God's true church come out of her wilderness experience?The logical answer to this question would be, when the papal persecution ceased. This officially happened in 1798, when Napoleon Bonaparte sent to Rome where he exiled Pope Pius VI to Valence in France. At the same time Berthier declared an end to the temporal power over much of Europe that the Catholic Church had enjoyed up to that time. It was a most humiliating and abrupt end to a long rule of power that lasted 1260 years. Shortly after, Christian Bible Societies spread all over the world, with their work unhampered or threatened by papal constrictions. Thus, 1798 marks the date when God's church ended her wilderness experience. Now God's church was totally free to focus her energies on translating and printing the Bible in as many languages as possible and to conduct missionary activities all over the world.4. Catholic Church enters her wilderness experience just as Gods true church escapes hers.In 1798 the Catholic Church not only lost her temporal power over the kings, dukes, and princes of much of Europe, but was in fact no longer free to carry her own ecclesiastical privileges, such as selecting a pope to succeed Pius VI. Her representatives needed the permission of Napoleon Bonaparte before they could appoint Pius VII in 1800 to succeed the pope who died in exile, a year earlier. 5. What is the significance of the Lateran Treaty of 1929 to the wilderness experience which the Roman Catholic Church was in since 1798?What the Roman Catholic Church got in 1929 was its independence and sovereignty. The political independence means that now they had a monarchy, although on much reduced area of land, where the pope was the absolute ruler. The pope now was not only the supreme head of the Catholic Church universally, but also the indisputable temporal king over the State of Vatican City. He was no longer a prisoner of captivity. This however did not end the wilderness experience for the Catholic church but this is a very significant date none the less.6. What about the seven kings of the Roman Catholic Church during her wilderness period?Now we come to the most important part of the whole chapter. God has prophesied that there will be only seven kings: "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." Revelation 17:10. From this verse the following facts can be gleaned: 1. Seven kings in total. 2. John was taken in vision to the time of the sixth king: “five are fallen, and one is.” He comes after the first five have fallen. Again, it is not coincidental that when taken in vision, John was taken to the time of the sixth king. It is a divine hint by which God is guiding us to focus our attention on this particular king, as he will play a very important role in the end-time events. 3. The seventh king “must continue a short space.” 4. 11. So who are the seven kings/popes?So lets have a count.....Pius XI was the first Roman Catholic pope (from February 6, 1922) who became king as well on February 11, 1929. He along with Mussolini, engineered the Lateran Treaty.1st King - Pius XI - Feb 11, 1929 - Feb 10, 1939 - 10 years2nd King - Pius XII - Mar 2, 1939 - Oct 9, 1958 - 19 years3rd King - John XXIII - Oct 28, 1958 - Jun 3, 1963 - 5 years4th King - Paul VI - Jun 21, 1963 - Aug 6, 1978 - 15 years5th King - John Paul I - Aug 26, 1978 - Sep 28 1978 - 33 days6th King - John Paul II - Oct 16, 1978 - Apr 2, 2005 - 27 years7th King - Benedict XVI - Apr 19, 2005 - "A short space" Revelation 17:107. What is destined to take place after the prophesied short monarchy of Benedict XVI?"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." Revelation 17:11. Here, we learn the following: 1. The Roman Catholic Church was once a beast (up to 1798), but now is not (as she has been in the wilderness experience since 1798); however, she will regain the beast status (meaning she will come out of her wilderness experience) after the fall of the seventh king, Benedict XVI. 2. The next one to come after Benedict XVI will be one of the other seven kings. But he will no longer be considered a mere king, but will be a beast as well; for with him the Roman Catholic Church will regain her former power to persecute her enemies. 3. The eighth, when he comes, will be the last; for he “goeth into perdition.” 8. Who is the eighth who will restore the beast status to the Roman Catholic Church anew?To answer this question we need first to note the origin of the eighth: “The beast that thou sawest was [the Catholic Church was once a beast until 1798] and is not [during her wilderness experience], and shall ascend [after the fall of Benedict XVI, the eighth will restore her beast status] out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.” Revelation 17:8.From this verse we can conclude the following: 1. Only one more king will come after Benedict XVI, and he will be the eighth. And this king will restore the beast status to the Roman Catholic Church – for during his reign persecution of God's people will resume again, just as it was in the Middle Ages. 2. That the eighth king will ascend from the "bottomless pit", and in due course will "go into perdition."9. What is the bottomless pit from which the eighth will ascend?Once again, we go only to the Bible to answer this valid question. The Greek word translated ‘bottomless pit’ is abussos which has the English counterpart, ‘an abyss’. The following verses will unfold what is the abussos.“...a certain man, which had devils long time…30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. 31 And they besought Him that He would not command them to go out into the deep (abussos)… 33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine...” Luke 8:27, 30, 31, 33.From the above Bible passage we learn that the Greek abussos (in the Bible translated ‘deep’ or ‘bottomless pit’) is a certain location (not known to man) where some of the fallen evil angels are confined. Not all the evil angels are permitted to leave the abussos, which is not a very pleasant place to be in, even for the evil angels. One can imagine the pandemonium and the constant jostling that goes on at the abussos among the rebellious evil angels. The legion of devils, who were tormenting a certain man in the above story, dreaded that Christ would command them to go to the abussos. And they begged Him not to command them to go to the deep (abussos). They find much happiness in tormenting people and animals than to be in the company of others of their kind.To summarize, the bottomless pit is a certain location that serves as a confined habitation for some of the evil angels (devils). 10. The eighth will be a devil from the abussos impersonating one of the 7 kings. When the eighth will appear on the scene, he will rapidly spearhead the coming of the Roman Catholic Church out of her wilderness experience into a full-fledged beast.It is not difficult at all to visualize this prophesied dramatic transformation of the Roman Catholic Church (out of her wilderness status and into a full beast status) once we identify the king (out of the seven) who will be impersonated by a devil who ascends from the bottomless pit. It will most likely be John Paul II after all he was the most recognized and most loved pope in recent history. He is also the Pope that John say in his vision. God is giving us a very important clue here.I hope you enjoyed reading I know it was long and I apologize for that, but I hope we can all understand Gods word and recognize what will happen in the near future.God Bless.
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What is up with people always saying that the Roman Catholic papal system is the beast? Are they the only one in Babylon? I'm afraid not, there's Catholic, Mormon, Pentecostal revival, Islam, Buddhism, Hindu, etcThe true church is the Body of Christ... If I want to put it in more realistic, they are two churches God is so pleased with... are...The church of Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11)ANDThe church of Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13)However, as the end times is here, we are in a period of this church... the church of Laodiceans (Revelation 3:14-22)
God is talking about one church here. That is why there is so much detail describing her. God is describing a system that is a church and an earthly kingdom at the same time. There is no other church that has this "luxury". The Roman Catholic church is the only church that has its own sovereign state (Vatican City). That is what is being described here. I agree that they are not the only ones that are wrong like you pointed out. But the others are not the ones being talked about in Rev 17-18.
Alpha you have the right idea, but your trying to apply it to a religion that already exists all religions on earth now will be absorbed into this new one religious system,christian,muslim,Buddistwhatever. Remember its a World wide event not a christian one. one church However its not the catholic church per say a world wide religious system setup by Antichrist after the Abomination of Desolation (that is the the Political beast Anchrist) stands in the Temple and declares himself God that is the one world religion it is not any current religion it is not the catholic religion it is the new harlot one world religion. this Pope catholic church teaching was a view by the reformers the Book of Rev was for the most part sealed by God until more recent/End times It is mans words not Gods Words.
Could the person that stands in the temple declaring himself to be God be the he "is the eighth, and is of the seven," king?EDIT: For me Revelation 17 describes the Catholic church perfectly to a tee. Maybe it is because I was part of that church for so long and I can see it in this chapter. I'm not sure but I cannot see it any other way.
It is not a church its the Antichrist himself that is Satan he sets up a new one world religion that includes all religions and all atheist think about it this is a fake christ coming the whole world will believe he is christ except the Elect the Pope could never convince Muslims atheists etc. to believe he is christ. And to make it more complicated he only has a few months to accomplish this ......a human man alone calling himself Pope could not fool the whole world into believing he is christ. This is a fake second coming Satan is the great copycat he has always wanted to be god. Parable of the tares the first gathered are the wicked the tares we are to wait until the 7th trump the true second coming. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heavenRev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. This is the End of the 5th trump issuing in the 6th trump which is the tribulation period.
(Christina;59371)
It is not a church its the Antichrist himself that is Satan he sets up a new one world religion that includes all religions and all atheist think about it this is a fake christ coming the whole world will believe he is christ except the Elect the Pope could never convince Muslims atheists etc. to believe he is christ. And to make it more complicated he only has a few months to accomplish this ......a human man alone calling himself Pope could not fool the whole world into believing he is christ. This is a fake second coming Satan is the great copycat he has always wanted to be god.
Your right, muslims, atheists etc would not believe a pope to be Christ. Unless....The 8th king is of the 7. Meaning the 8th King is one of the seven previous from the time the Catholic church received her independence. If this Pope/king comes back to life as in the 6th King (Pope John Paul 2) that John saw in his vision that would make the 6th pope/king the most popular and loved probably of all time. And the most reasonable for Satan to disguise himself as. Now if the 6th king comes back and he is Satan disguised as Pope John Paul 2 then everyone will believe him to be the Christ wouldn't they?Also I have seen all this talk about one world government and one world religion but never have seen scripture. Can you kindly direct me to it?
It is not a church its the Antichrist himself that is Satan he sets up a new one world religion that includes all religions and all atheist think about it this is a fake christ coming the whole world will believe he is christ except the Elect the Pope could never convince Muslims atheists etc. to believe he is christ. And to make it more complicated he only has a few months to accomplish this ......a human man alone calling himself Pope could not fool the whole world into believing he is christ. This is a fake second coming Satan is the great copycat he has always wanted to be god.
Your right, muslims, atheists etc would not believe a pope to be Christ. Unless....The 8th king is of the 7. Meaning the 8th King is one of the seven previous from the time the Catholic church received her independence. If this Pope/king comes back to life as in the 6th King (Pope John Paul 2) that John saw in his vision that would make the 6th pope/king the most popular and loved probably of all time. And the most reasonable for Satan to disguise himself as. Now if the 6th king comes back and he is Satan disguised as Pope John Paul 2 then everyone will believe him to be the Christ wouldn't they?Also I have seen all this talk about one world government and one world religion but never have seen scripture. Can you kindly direct me to it?
Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."Remember in verse eight, "he" was the one out of the pit. Satan's "eighth" role is when he goes into perdition. Why, "of the seven"? Because he was over the seven, one entity in all seven positions; and now this eighth is his last. No one except Satan has been judged and sentenced already to perdition, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:18. This beast is the son of perdition, and "perdition" means "to destroy" or destroyer. Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power [authority] as kings one hour with the beast."These "ten horns" are ten kings, and all these kings exists at the same time. They are not like the seven kings of the roles of Satan. They do not rule until a specific time, and then they rule for one hour. The beast [Antichrist] must appear first, then their power will be given to them by the Antichrist. This is after the deadly wound has been healed, the ending of the one world political system. This is the "hour of temptation" Jesus speaks of and warned us of seven times. The warnings are given so that we will not follow, or be deceived by this beast in that final hour [of this age]. The elect and the sealed of God will not be tempted in that hour, for they know who the tempter is [Satan].Revelation 17:13 "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."There can be no doubt now who rules over the ten kings, or authorities, or agencies: it is Antichrist, the beast. The nations of the world have no borders, or boundaries. The Euphrates has dried up, and Israel and Babylon are one in mind and accord. These authorities must be similar to the ten agencies that now rule the earth, under the United Nations.Revelation 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."He continues explaining the symbols. The "waters" are "the people, and nations of all languages of the earth" that the Antichrist will sit upon. Mystery Babylon will control the entire earth, and that means you, unless you have been sealed in your mind, prior to when the Antichrist arrives.Revelation 17:16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."These ten horns, or agencies of authority will actually hate the people caught up in this satanic religious system. In Revelation 9:4 we saw this army of locust will burn [deceive] all, with the permission of God, except for the elect.......................................Ive attempted to lay some of the basics of this out should you be interestedhttp://www.christianityboard.com/antichrist-t8284.html
hey there. Sorry to butt in, if i'm being rude please tell me clear off.I have an interest in eschatology and i was reading your posts. I'm afraid I also have to ask what is the trend with thinking the RCC is the beast. True, throughout church history the office of pope has continually become corrupted, but I don't think it quite fits.Some more recent posts are talking about a "religious system" set up by the Antichrist whom is supposed to rule it. I'm getting the feeling that unity under one religion is considered a bad thing by most of you.Alpha, are you saying you think Satan is going to disguise himself as one of the dead popes in history "come back to life" and this figure will "once again"(sort of) take the office of pope? or did i misunderstand you? (no offense, just curious)Christina, you seem quite biblically knowledgeable (you have a lot of quotes lol), who do you believe the beast from the sea, the beast from the earth, and the prostitute to be?
Hello hiswordisfire You are welcome to weigh in on any thread its a public discussion all are welcome and by the welcome to CB. The beast that rises from the sea is a system sea is used here in scripture to be symbolic for peoples (God interpts his own symbology) The system arises out of a sea of peoples the first beast in Rev. is a system of men (one world order) think a UN type system one of the countries(heads) in this sysyem receives a deadly wound (that is through the economy or war or some unknown reason the country is wouned not a person)The second beast is Antichrist (Satan) who comes heals the deadly wound and sets up his own beast system the prositute is a harlot Religion a one World religion that includes all religions it follows after the false Christ. In the middle of the tribulation Antichrist (Satan) commits the Abomination of desolation, that is he declares himself to be god.P.S.LOL...A lot of quotes? Are you saying I talk alot??
I'm not gonna go as far and say that the Pope is the Antichrist... but the Roman catholic Church is indeed the w***e of Revelation 17. If you do a historical research on Roman Catholicism, its involvement in Christianity, and the paganism that has led it, you would come to realize that too.The doctrines that this religious system follows prove that it leads people astray... yes, I said it. Catholicism is a religion, it's not Christianity...Christianity says that Christ died for us, and there is nothing we can do in works that can save us, but accept him inwardly as our Lord and Savior and have faith in our lives. Catholicism says that Christ for 99% of our sins, and we must follow the traditions of the Catholic Church, get baptized in the Catholic Church, and continue to do works righteousness to get into heaven.it is ridiculously obvious that this is the w***e of Babylon...I want to share a story with you from a church member of mine who visited a small village in Mexico a few years ago... She was part of a missionary group, and when she went down there, she saw that this village was drowned in poverty and sickness. She walked down the main street towards the church, and people barely had anything... no shoes, rags for clothes, just people who had nothing and suffered at the hands of utter poverty. When she got to the church courtyard, there was a stone ground with people of all ages, old, young, all in rags, crawling on their hands and knees like animals to the main door of the church.She went inside, and it was a cathedral, with high ceilings, the whole medieval cathedral look that most Catholic churches have, and on the top of the die walls, there was a ledge that went around the entire church, and on this ledge were statues of angels and saints, all made out of stone and marble. In the front of the church, behind the podium, was a statue of Jesus made out of pure gold encased in a clear bulletproof shielded glass container...the Ten Commandments said to not have any graven images... their worship of Mary, Angels, Saints, and the statue of a Jesus in gold breaks that commandmentno wonder John stared at this church in amazement... it sickens me to the core to see this church parade around and call itself a church of Christ. By their own actions, this church proves that it serves another being.christina, you said that this church will dissolve all other religions into one religion... you may want to watch this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoXGuKVQ6I
That may well be your opinion but it is not Gods Word it's men's small thinking if you think all Muslims,buddhists atheist Christians and Jews are going to become Catholic then you are believing a lie of men your thinking is of this World. THE WHOLE WORLD FOLLOWS AFTER THE BEAST the catholic church would be so obvious it would not even fool a non believer that never even picked up a Bible much less cause a whole world into following it.Believe what you like but Gods Word says this is a new One World religion based on the fact the world will believe the Antichrist is christ second coming its his(antichrists) harlot religion... not one of mens religionsAs far as your youtube video more lies of men I follow Gods Word not mens imagination and twisting of scripture to make a lie seem trueI have no doubt the catholic church is against Gods Word but so are lots of others they just dont have the size,money and arrogance of the catholic church I also have no doubt the catholic church will be among the first to join Antichrists religious system but it is not in itself the Antichrist nor the Harlot religious system
it was also men's small thinking and the deception of the devil that started the belief that all of this would happen in the far distant future as well... where do you think Futurism came from, Christina?
No it was mens lack to understand what God didnt intend them to see as the book was closed until the End times seal up the book Daniel but Im not going to argue with you you will see soon enough
Christina, the pre-trib rapture doctrine says that people will be snatched away secretly, and they claim that that doctrine is their eyes being opened...A Preterist claims that the entire book of Revelation was fulfilled at the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and that Christ's return was symbolic as well as invisible, Nero was the Antichrist, and the thousand year reign with Christ is symbolic and we're living in the Thousand year reign right now, and I ebt they also claimed that their eyes were opened...the futurist claims that all of this will happen in the far distant future with a super powered one man dictator and our lives will not matter, because we'll probably be dead by the time it happens, and I bet they say the same thing about their eyes being opened...you know what's in common with all, yes, I said ALL, of these teachings?... they were all started by the Roman Catholic Church as a counter reformation to Protestantism.Futurism: Francisco RiberaPreterism: Luis De Alcazarrapture theory: Emmanuel Lacunzawhat do these men have in common?... ALL of these men were part of the Jesuit Order, created solely by the Catholic Church to further their traditions and doctrines over God's Word... the link below is their oath to the Catholic Church and to the Popehttp://www.remnantofgod.org/jes-oth.htmbut there's something I want to point out though... a paragraph that caught my eye
Jesuit Oath)
I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
this Order was made to violently uphold the heresies of works righteousness, penance, purgatory, indulgences, declaring the Pope infallible, and having traditions being held equally with the Bible...I don't want to argue either, Christina... but I do want the truth to be known. We cannot simply ignore something like this... Catholicism was deeply involved in Christianity in a very negative way, and even killed millions of Christians for having an English Bible... they KILLED Christians because they were afraid that if they read the Bible in their own tongue, they would see that the doctrines that they taught went completely against scripture.
Jesuit Oath)I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
this Order was made to violently uphold the heresies of works righteousness, penance, purgatory, indulgences, declaring the Pope infallible, and having traditions being held equally with the Bible...I don't want to argue either, Christina... but I do want the truth to be known. We cannot simply ignore something like this... Catholicism was deeply involved in Christianity in a very negative way, and even killed millions of Christians for having an English Bible... they KILLED Christians because they were afraid that if they read the Bible in their own tongue, they would see that the doctrines that they taught went completely against scripture.
Then follow Gods Word not mans Rev. has not happened the Antichrist is not here nor his harlot religion I have studied religious studies for 20 years I know where all the things you mention come from there is little about this mens trash I havent heard or read. If you want the truth stop listening to mens ideas. if you insist on believing this trash of men its your choice but do not try to convince me I understand fine what Gods Word says about these things. I choose to follow him not men
By the way the churchs of today are the reason for the famine of Gods true Word today Amos 8:11-12 the catholic church may be one of the big offenders but it is one of the reasons Antichrist will suceed its not the Antichrist
(Christina;60021)
Then follow Gods Word not mans Rev. has not happened the Antichrist is not here nor his harlot religion I have studied religious studies for 20 years I know where all the things you mention come from there is little about this mens trash I havent heard or read. If you want the truth stop listening to mens ideas. if you insist on believing this trash of men its your choice but do not try to convince me I understand fine what Gods Word says about these things. I choose to follow him not men
you say you follow God's Word... but the very interpretation you follow was created by a corrupt religion that calls itself Christianity and yet has killed millions of people for and reading the Bible and not obeying it's traditions...i see that as a contradiction, Christina... and my pastor at my church has studied the Bible through and through for over 30 years, and he still beleives in a pre-tribulation rapture... is the pope the Antichrist?... I don't believe so... now, if in some way a pope comes and claims to be John Paul II re-incarnated, or something along that line, my mind will change... is the w***e of Babylon the Roman Catholic Church?... lets read the Bible to see what it says:Revelation 17:3-6"3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."
I only go by what the Bible says, Christina...
Then follow Gods Word not mans Rev. has not happened the Antichrist is not here nor his harlot religion I have studied religious studies for 20 years I know where all the things you mention come from there is little about this mens trash I havent heard or read. If you want the truth stop listening to mens ideas. if you insist on believing this trash of men its your choice but do not try to convince me I understand fine what Gods Word says about these things. I choose to follow him not men
you say you follow God's Word... but the very interpretation you follow was created by a corrupt religion that calls itself Christianity and yet has killed millions of people for and reading the Bible and not obeying it's traditions...i see that as a contradiction, Christina... and my pastor at my church has studied the Bible through and through for over 30 years, and he still beleives in a pre-tribulation rapture... is the pope the Antichrist?... I don't believe so... now, if in some way a pope comes and claims to be John Paul II re-incarnated, or something along that line, my mind will change... is the w***e of Babylon the Roman Catholic Church?... lets read the Bible to see what it says:Revelation 17:3-6"3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."
I only go by what the Bible says, Christina...(Super Kal;60027)
(Christina;60021)
Then follow Gods Word not mans Rev. has not happened the Antichrist is not here nor his harlot religion I have studied religious studies for 20 years I know where all the things you mention come from there is little about this mens trash I havent heard or read. If you want the truth stop listening to mens ideas. if you insist on believing this trash of men its your choice but do not try to convince me I understand fine what Gods Word says about these things. I choose to follow him not men
you say you follow God's Word... but the very interpretation you follow was created by a corrupt religion that calls itself Christianity and yet has killed millions of people for and reading the Bible and not obeying it's traditions...Excuse us, we don't follow the Roman Catholic Church... And if Gods say one thing, we should listen to Him. God only says one thing and He keeps repeating the same thing over and over. And you are saying He Himself is flawed? Why don't you read Christina's quote in her signature and then read my quote in my signature? It explains why both of our quotes agrees with each other.
(Christina;60021)
Then follow Gods Word not mans Rev. has not happened the Antichrist is not here nor his harlot religion I have studied religious studies for 20 years I know where all the things you mention come from there is little about this mens trash I havent heard or read. If you want the truth stop listening to mens ideas. if you insist on believing this trash of men its your choice but do not try to convince me I understand fine what Gods Word says about these things. I choose to follow him not men
you say you follow God's Word... but the very interpretation you follow was created by a corrupt religion that calls itself Christianity and yet has killed millions of people for and reading the Bible and not obeying it's traditions...Excuse us, we don't follow the Roman Catholic Church... And if Gods say one thing, we should listen to Him. God only says one thing and He keeps repeating the same thing over and over. And you are saying He Himself is flawed? Why don't you read Christina's quote in her signature and then read my quote in my signature? It explains why both of our quotes agrees with each other.
I have read it, jordan... and I applaud it.God does indeed say one thing: by grace you are saved, through faith"... not through works righteousness, not by the traditions of the Catholic Church, and certainly not through the doctrines of the Catholic Church.You're absolutely right... God is perfect in every way... The pope is not... and yet, Catholicism views the Pope as an infallible leader in its religion.I agree with both of you... but I will not follow a religion that calls itself "Christianity", but damns someone to hell, and Catholicism does exactly that, and I will certainly not follow a teaching that that same religion starts to try and confuse Biblical Christianity... Satan is EXTREMELY prevalent in Catholicism today... he was prevalent in the Papal Inquisition when he started to kill Christians for reading God's Word.also... keep in mind that Catholicism teaches the theory of Evolution as truth... the Bible says otherwise.
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