Failed Prophecies

Willie T said:

Did you miss what I asked you to submit for our edification?

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Why would I provide an earnest answer to someone who is insincere and has evil intention behind his request?

Willie T said:

Sorry. I can't help you with the limitations you place on yourself.

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You were out to attack those who believe in the rapture and those who have dispensational beliefs.

Willie T said:

You bluntly said certain people were not experts on Dispensationalism. I only asked you to tell us who you think is an expert on the subject.

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I already told you. I don't think anyone is an "Expert". That is your pet label, not mine.

Stranger said:

I am interested. What made you one? What made you decide to no longer be one?

Stranger

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Mostly folks on this site who started me re-thinking the Rapture. Not that I haven't been back and forth on the issue before, to some extent. It was when I read Matthew 24:29,30 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
The way I had been taught for the most part was pre-trib but, many of my beliefs have changed over time.

Recently we have had a number of failed predictions about the end of the world, or at least of some sort of dramatic world changing event. They have passed without anything happening. I too, was guilty of pointing out a date, one given to us by the prophet Haggai, however I now realize that although the date he specifies will come to pass, we don’t know when it will fall on our calendar.

The result of this kind of scaremongering is that most people now no longer take notice of anyone who may speak the truth of what the Lord has planned. It is the ‘cry wolf’ syndrome. Also a lot of Christians abhor the idea of ‘knowing the Day and the hour’, because when Jesus was on earth, He said that even He didn’t know. But to say this about the next event prophesied, actually breaks scripture as many prophets say that we can know God’s plans.

Now, the world is lulled into a false sense of security, they hold to the belief that mankind can solve its own problems by science, diplomacy, etc.

But many prophecies say how the Lord will act unexpectedly – in an instant, etc.

1 Thess. 5:3 While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, then suddenly, [like a thief] destruction is upon them and there will be no escape.

Luke 21:35 That Day will come suddenly, like a trap on everyone the whole world over.

There is NO pretribulation rapture. REPEAT – There is NO pretrib [wrath] rapture.

1 Thess. 5:4 But you, My friends are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief.

This is an indictment, because if we are the Lord’s friend, then why don’t we know what He will do and when He will act? Therefore it is a very serious matter for us to make every effort to study the Scriptures, carefully putting aside any teachings that do not take full account of ALL the prophecies.

From prophecies like Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 12:14, we can discern that the scenario predicted so long ago, is a reality in our day. God judged the whole world in Noah’s day by a great flood, this time the prophets tell us He will use a fire judgement.

Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 22 I have in reserve, sealed in My storehouse, waiting until the Day of punishment and vengeance, at the moment My enemies’ foot slips, [makes a mistake] for the Day of doom is fast approaching. For fire is set ablaze by My anger, it envelopes the earth and devours its produce.

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the proud and evil people will be as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze leaving neither root nor branch.

Isaiah 30:26 ...the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength...

This informs us of what it is that the Lord will use on the terrible Day of His vengeance and wrath. It will be a Coronal Mass Ejection of an unprecedented magnitude. One that will cause all the graphically prophesied effects, but will maintain His hiddenness so most will refuse to acknowledge God and will establish a One World Government. But for those who do trust in the Lord and keep His commandments, there are the wonderful promises of gathering and living in the holy Land until the eventual Return of Jesus to reign for 1000 years.

As for when this shocking CME will strike, we know the ‘season’, that is in our time and it will happen ‘when My enemies make a mistake’. His enemies: those who attack Israel. So at the moment of attack, it will happen.

Willie T said:

You say there is going to be a secret rapture, and I say there is not. How is that "attacking?"

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"I" say???
Your thread is just for the purpose of making a jab & for belittling those who believe in the rapture and dispensation.

Willie T said:

So then, everyone has a right to decide for themselves? I totally agree with that.

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What's your problem Willie?
Wanna pick a fight?
Go talk to God, I think the Holy Spirit might be able to help you....

Men still prefer to follow men instead of God just as in the days of King Saul, and He still grants their desire.

Willie T said:

Uh... you might want to go read the OP again. I didn't say a thing about any of that. I only said I thought some people would get a kick out of that excerpt.

I have about 15 books by people who don't support Dispensationalism.... and I have not yet paid one red cent for any of them. Yes, downloads were offered free of charge. (PS... they aren't amillennialists. They are Postmillennialists.)

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You have a hatred for dispensationalism. It is quite evident. That you presented the quote is due to your agreeing with the quote. And I am curious as to the book it came from. Do you have it? Or is all you have is the 'downloads'. You should still be able to give me the name of the book and author.

Well you act like postmillennialists and amillennialists never wrote books to be read and sold. Instead only dispensational proponets sell their books. And of course that is for greed and money. Such a one-sided view.

I have noticed three things about those who are opponents of dispensational teaching. 1.) They a have burning hatred against them. 2.) They believe wrongly the motives of dispensationalists. 3.) They reject any explanation given them to correct their wrong view of the motive. Maybe I should add a fourth. 4.) They will deny the former three.

Stranger

Nancy said:

Mostly folks on this site who started me re-thinking the Rapture. Not that I haven't been back and forth on the issue before, to some extent. It was when I read Matthew 24:29,30 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
The way I had been taught for the most part was pre-trib but, many of my beliefs have changed over time.

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Yes, without a doubt this site is anti-dispensationalist.

I don't understand how (Matt. 24:29-30) disproves the pre-trib Rapture as it is speaking of the Second Coming of Christ. The Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture are not the same event.

Be that as it may, my point here is that when people reject dispensational teaching, they themselves are accepting another system of teaching. Be it amillennialism, or postmillennialism, or Covenant Theology. They may say they don't, but they do. Have you come to a place where you know which system you fit?

We all are affected by what we are originally presented with in the Christian faith. But, as time goes on, and we set ourselves to study the Scriptures, even though we may have started out one thing doesn't mean we will remain. And, that is good. I have changed my views over time in areas, such as the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I was taught that they had ceased, and most dispensationalists believe this, but over time have come to believe the Scriptures are teaching otherwise.

But, the overall dispensational method of studying the Scriptures, I believe is the best. In fact, I really believe that to not study the Bible through the dispensational method is to limit your understanding of the Bible. In other words it is a key to opening doors. And if you don't have the key, what is behind the door is lost to you. My opinion.

Stranger

Stranger said:

Yes, without a doubt this site is anti-dispensationalist.

I don't understand how (Matt. 24:29-30) disproves the pre-trib Rapture as it is speaking of the Second Coming of Christ. The Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture are not the same event.

Be that as it may, my point here is that when people reject dispensational teaching, they themselves are accepting another system of teaching. Be it amillennialism, or postmillennialism, or Covenant Theology. They may say they don't, but they do. Have you come to a place where you know which system you fit?

We all are affected by what we are originally presented with in the Christian faith. But, as time goes on, and we set ourselves to study the Scriptures, even though we may have started out one thing doesn't mean we will remain. And, that is good. I have changed my views over time in areas, such as the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I was taught that they had ceased, and most dispensationalists believe this, but over time have come to believe the Scriptures are teaching otherwise.

But, the overall dispensational method of studying the Scriptures, I believe is the best. In fact, I really believe that to not study the Bible through the dispensational method is to limit your understanding of the Bible. In other words it is a key to opening doors. And if you don't have the key, what is behind the door is lost to you. My opinion.

Stranger

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Hi Stranger. Reading Matthew 24:29-31, kind of makes one ponder? Especially this line here: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." As clear cut as that seems, I am still not settled on it. If anything I would say Mid Trib? I am not as good at the "dispensations" as, I do not believe I have ever ever heard the word itself until about a year ago...ON HERE!!! Lol. I know I have a ton to learn Stranger, and I am keeping my heart and mind as open as I am able to. I WANT to know the truth about all of it but, I've got a very long way to go. I just hope God keeps me alive long enough to be able to really KNOW His truth's. As far as the rapture, it's a conundrum! And, I cannot seem to get past the Matt 24 scripture. Also, wouldn't it make Jesus have a third return rather that just a second? Just my thoughts...for now

tzcho2 said:

Popular is not = expert.
Personally, I know of no "experts" in any biblical doctrines and I've never in any conversation used that term and never thought of anyone as an "expert".

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Are you saying that your camp has no trusted fathers whatsoever? Huh?

tzcho2 said:

Camping not an expert but an idiot. It is obviously unbiblical to make any predictions-- period.
All the mockers of the Pre-trib belief ....just predicted in Bible scripture. The more hate poured towards the pre-tribbers the more I look up with joy for His appearing!

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Wow you mean you literally look up into the sky?
Ok, guess that clarifies things somewhat, ty

weren't you just calling your fathers "idiots?"

Stranger said:

You certainly have a hatred for 'dipensationalism'

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I noted no hatred whatsoever, myself

Stranger said:

You say many hard things about dispensationalists yet you don't provide the

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google isn't having any probs at all, what phrase would you like verification for

Stranger said:

Have you come to a place where you know which system you fit?

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find the camp?

Willie T said:

Sorry. I can't help you with the limitations you place on yourself.

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What is the Nietzsche quote..."Faith: not wanting to know what is true."

tzcho2 said:

Why would I provide an earnest answer to someone who is insincere and has evil intention behind his request?

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I would like an answer too, and imo you are the one out of line now wadr.
Willie has not acted toward you like you are acting toward him, has he

Why are ppl like that not sanctioned here?