Who is more dangerous? Islam, or Catholicism?

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A word study on "traffic" in relation to the king of Tyre (Satan) in Ezekiel 28 shows that the words merchandise v16 , and traffic v18 are derived from the same root meaning slander/lied. Strongs# 7400
We ought not be surprised when papal defenders cast that accusation against those exposing their perfidy and hypocricy. Baking black white and white black. Evil for good and good for evil.
 

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... about "C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C-I-S-M, which is an ideology, not C-A-T-H-O-L-I-C-S, which are people.

You parse words. The fact is people who have to "feel better about themselves" like to denigrate others, -- Jews, Catholics, Protestants, -- it cuts all directions. But it cuts.


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You parse words. The fact is people have have to "feel better about themselves" like to denigrate others. Jews, Catholics, Protestants, -- it cuts all directions. But it cuts.


Bobby Jo
As long as you understand your mistake in lumping in those who condemn erroneous ideologies with those who condemn people.
 

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As long as you understand your mistake in lumping in those who condemn erroneous ideologies with those who condemn people.

As long as YOU understand:

My grandfather was born in 1899, and as a young man he joined a "social club" called the Klu Klux Klan. And in South Dakota there didn't have any blacks and very few Jews to pick on so they picked on the Catholics.

These same types of people are in the "church" parading as "christians" (small "c"), but we know they're not Christians (capital "C"). And while they HATE (murder) their fellow christians, some of that bias creeps into "bible prophecy" (small "b", small "p") where the Catholic Church is supposed to be an evil co-conspirator with satan.


But I understand Bible Prophecy (capital "B", capital "P") well enough to know that FALSE doctrines come from the chief liar and his minions, -- among which includes the FALSE assertions that the Catholic Church is this evil co-conspirator.

And to be perfectly clear, -- I'm not a Catholic, and don't agree with many of their doctrines and practices --, but I also don't agree with many of the Protestant doctrines and practices. The ONLY doctrines and practices I follow are from Scripture, -- not men.

So who can divest themselves from the KKK mentality, and exhort and encourage BOTH Catholics and Protestants to LEARN about and TRULY FOLLOW Jesus?

Not too many I suspect ...
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As long as YOU understand:

My grandfather was born in 1899, and as a young man he joined a "social club" called the Klu Klux Klan. And in South Dakota there didn't have any blacks and very few Jews to pick on so they picked on the Catholics.
So, he was a Democrat? Democrats founded the KKK.
These same types of people are in the "church" parading as "christians" (small "c"), but we know they're not Christians (capital "C"). And while they HATE (murder) their fellow christians, some of that bias creeps into "bible prophecy" (small "b", small "p") where the Catholic Church is supposed to be an evil co-conspirator with satan.
Why do you keep equating criticism of an ideology with hating and murdering people?

Do you not understand the diff? Yes, the papacy is the Antichrist of Bible prophecy, and saying so does NOT make me a hate monger or a murderer, got it? If I really hated Catholic people, I'd keep quiet and watch them with a smile of keen satisfaction continue down the road to idolatrous perdition which ends at a Christ-less grave and leaves them lost for all eternity.

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between criticism of ideology and those who believe it - those of us who can do so consider it a negative reflection on your part: anxious to argue and slow to comprehend.

Or maybe you do understand the difference between criticizing ideology and those who believe it, but you think any reason to condemn the opposition - even straw man reasons - makes your position all the more "right" in the eyes of others? It doesn't.​
 

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Why do you keep equating criticism of an ideology with hating and murdering people?​

When you get YOUR ideology correct, then PLEASE feel free to criticize others. In the meantime. DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE. :)

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

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When you get YOUR ideology correct, then PLEASE feel free to criticize others. In the meantime. DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE. :)

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

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Bobby Jo, as a Christian and a gentleman, I must respectfully withdraw from the discussion. While I think your position is total assininity, especially when I've so clearly shown you that condemnation of ideology is not the same as condemnation of those who subscribe to ideology, I support your right to hold that position, however wrong you may be :)
 

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A word study on "traffic" in relation to the king of Tyre (Satan) in Ezekiel 28 shows that the words merchandise v16 , and traffic v18 are derived from the same root meaning slander/lied. Strongs# 7400
We ought not be surprised when papal defenders cast that accusation against those exposing their perfidy and hypocricy. Baking black white and white black. Evil for good and good for evil.
Bro, I brought that up in SS today! Satan used false accusation to deceive his supporters. Alinsky who acknowledged "the first radical, Lucifer" has as one of his "rules for radicals" slander of the enemy, and it should not surprise us that Satan's agents are here doing the same thing.
 
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False Teacher/False Prophet, take your pick. -- You're FALSE.
No Bobby Jo, you are incorrect in that accusation. brakelite is anything but false....that is evident in his posts, his manner and how he deals with people here.
You will know them by their fruits is ultimately the litmus test. Pretence can only be sustained for so long. The core of a person comes through sooner or later and brakelite as said before, is anything but false. I am certain many will attest to that.
 

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No Bobby Jo, you are incorrect in that accusation. brakelite is anything but false....that is evident in his posts, his manner and how he deals with people here. ...
A person's approach is not as important as his message. And where @brakelite presented an argument, -- it was one sided. A person can castigate anything or anyone, it's not hard. What IS hard is be fair, and I don't believe that @brakelite is fair. And by their fruits you will know them.


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@brakelite
@Keraz
@Enoch111
@Acolyte
@Phoneman777
@"ByGrace"
@MetalMike
@quietthinker

... And To All,

To continue the discussion, -- it might be relevant to discover which of the participants in this Topic think that the RCC has a role in the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. It's a FAIR question: Who has a "prophecy based" predisposition AGAINST the Catholic church?

And I might add, -- that premise is a FALSE doctrine, but what else is new?!? :)


Whew, (this is for @Nancy :) )
Bobby Jo
 
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@Bobby Jo
The decision re Revelation and Daniel and for that matter Paul in 2 Thess. whether the RCC has a role in these prophecies is yours to
determine for yourself. What others think on the matter is their business.
 

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The decision re Revelation and Daniel and for that matter Paul in 2 Thess. whether the RCC has a role in these prophecies is yours to
determine for yourself. What others think on the matter is their business.

It's not "THEIR BUSINESS", if their attacks on the RCC is based upon a FALSE Teaching/Doctrine. If people believe LIES, we need to get the bottom of that problem. -- And by your response, I suspect your slathering of Books suggests not only your ignorance on the subject, but also your bias. :)


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The view that the Pope is the Antichrist is a heinous lie based on culturally uninformed interpretations of Revelation that no academic commentary on this book accepts. There are 2 reasons for this:
(1) "Babylon" is a symbol of secular Rome in 1 Peter 5:13, Revelation, and in Jewish apocalyptic.
(2) There is a scholarly consensus that the mark of the Beast (666), "the number of a man," stands for Emperor Nero.
There are x reasons for this:
(a) In common ancient Judeo-Christian gematria the numerical value of the numbers of "emperor Nero" in Hebrew adds up to 666.
When the early church translated Revelation (13:18) into Latin, the number 666 was changed to 616 because the alternate spelling of "emperor Nero" in Hebrew was 616.
(b) The chief religious basis for Roman persecution of Christians was the emperor cult, which required empire subjects to offer sacrifice to Caesar as a god and acknowledge him as their "lord." The Romans didn't care if their subjects never believed in Caesar's divinity, but required this sacrifice as an expression of political loyalty in a way analogous to our Pledge of Allegiance. The Christian refusal to participate was deemed political treason.
(c) The "Beast" of Revelation 13:3 is mortally wounded but returns to life to continue his persecution of Christians. Nero was forced into exile in what is now Turkey. There were rumors that he committed suicide, but in the time of John 3 Nero impersonators emerged and terrified believers, who thought Satan had raised Nero up to continue his persecution of Christians.
 
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The view that the Pope is the Antichrist is a heinous lie ...

Yes it is, -- and I can ADD to your well presented points. But FACTS and EVIDENCE means very little to people who are content in their ignorance! :)

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
 

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They are both potentially dangerous, meaning their doctrines. It's not so much about killing the flesh that's so dangerous. It's more about the death of one's soul they can cause from their fleshy doctrines.

As history has shown, anyone can take God's Word and create a whole new religion from it, without actually keeping to all of what God declares in His Word. This deception will be taken care of when our Lord Jesus returns. But until then, it's the soul that is in need of safe-keeping in Christ Jesus, not so much our flesh, for our Lord Jesus said to not fear those who can kill our flesh but not our soul (Matthew 10:28).
 

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They are both potentially dangerous, ...

-- Speaking to the HATE directed towards Catholics. --

Both? BOTH? No, there MORE than just TWO. You forgot to include YOUR OWN Denomination. You see, EVERY denomination is as the Sadducees and Pharisees, in their own ways. Does YOUR denomination operate as 1 Cor. 14:26 specifies, or do you have a HIRELING? Does your denomination have FALSE DOCTRINES? Are you PERFECT?

If any of the answers above fail to meet GOD's Standards, then should you fix your own short-comings BEFORE you throw stones? -- WWJD?!?


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-- Speaking to the HATE directed towards Catholics. --

Both? BOTH? No, there MORE than just TWO. You forgot to include YOUR OWN Denomination. You see, EVERY denomination is as the Sadducees and Pharisees, in their own ways. Does YOUR denomination operate as 1 Cor. 14:26 specifies, or do you have a HIRELING? Does your denomination have FALSE DOCTRINES? Are you PERFECT?

If any of the answers above fail to meet GOD's Standards, then should you fix your own short-comings BEFORE you throw stones? -- WWJD?!?


Bobby Jo
Non-Denomination is a denomination in itself. Sure wish there was a home Church like, at LEAST 3-4 x weekly but...have searched high and low. Am praying I will be able to fix up my home so it would be "company ready" soon. I will be praying about that. :)