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Galatians 2:20

When we talk about union life or oneness, the wording really does not do the position of the believer justice because we are trying to describe something that can't be explained in human vernacular. When you are talking about identity, it is the way God see's His child that He has birthed. We are talking about that child seeing the same thing their Father see's.

He does not see you as you see yourself most of the time. He does not see the incapable little weak human that struggles along trying to make it in this world.
You ever wonder why you are not bailed out of every little situation you get into. It may be a big deal to me but to my Father who birthed the one who created all things in me the moment I believed. Think about that, why would God worry about my light bill when I have Christ in me. I understand the struggles of life, no one is exempt, but think about what we are talking about, we have been taught by our old way of thinking to live off a kind of welfare system.

Now God does help us with our light bill and situations in life, but the fact of the matter is you have Christ in you and that is what he wants you to see. See like He see's, He does not see Adam struggling along, He see's a Christ person that is capable of anything while living in this world.
Paul said it " I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

The I is one, your union if you will is completed by you seeing Christ as life, your life and only life. Why? Because that is what He was made to be, you have no other life. That needs to be secured in your mind to where your thinking and your actions are one in spontaneous living. Will you live it perfect all the time, nope, but you know it, you become a knower.
Close with this; Romans 8:1 says there is "no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus" so why so much condemnation for believers today, they don't know it, they are not knowers. You can be the greatest of believers, come behind in no spiritual gift, and condemnation overwhelms you, why? Because you have not come to understand Christ in you as your only life. Adam is dead as Christ was dead on that tree, the life that comes from Adam's death is Christ life, the only life there is. There was/is a misconception in the body of Christ that we must die to something that plagued us, die to this and die to that. You can't die to anything, you (I Adam) are already dead in Christ. What is needed is for believers to find that out. Believers need a revelation of the indwelling Christ, Gal. 1:15-16.
 
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Galatians 2:20

When we talk about union life or oneness, the wording really does not do the position of the believer justice because we are trying to describe something that can't be explained in human vernacular. When you are talking about identity, it is the way God see's His child that He has birthed. We are talking about that child seeing the same thing their Father see's.

He does not see you as you see yourself most of the time. He does not see the incapable little weak human that struggles along trying to make it in this world.
You ever wonder why you are not bailed out of every little situation you get into. It may be a big deal to me but to my Father who birthed the one who created all things in me the moment I believed. Think about that, why would God worry about my light bill when I have Christ in me. I understand the struggles of life, no one is exempt, but think about what we are talking about, we have been taught by our old way of thinking to live off a kind of welfare system.

Now God does help us with our light bill and situations in life, but the fact of the matter is you have Christ in you and that is what he wants you to see. See like He see's, He does not see Adam struggling along, He see's a Christ person that is capable of anything while living in this world.
Paul said it " I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

The I is one, your union if you will is completed by you seeing Christ as life, your life and only life. Why? Because that is what He was made to be, you have no other life. That needs to be secured in your mind to where your thinking and your actions are one in spontaneous living. Will you live it perfect all the time, nope, but you know it, you become a knower.
Close with this; Romans 8:1 says there is "no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus" so why so much condemnation for believers today, they don't know it, they are not knowers. You can be the greatest of believers, come behind in no spiritual gift, and condemnation overwhelms you, why? Because you have not come to understand Christ in you as your only life. Adam is dead as Christ was dead on that tree, the life that comes from Adam's death is Christ life, the only life there is. There was/is a misconception in the body of Christ that we must die to something that plagued us, die to this and die to that. You can't die to anything, you (I Adam) are already dead in Christ. What is needed is for believers to find that out. Believers need a revelation of the indwelling Christ, Gal. 1:15-16.

Your post is very interesting...and I like it in part. I agree with your assessment of importance of the oneness of God. Your approach is needful and helpful to growth into Christ. But a revelation of the indwelling Christ?

I half agree. If Christ is living in us...then we are to walk without forgetting who we are...like the man who looks in the mirror and doesn't forget what is his image.

James 1:24 and after observing himself goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

So then for a person who already has life in them..it's about not forgetting...not a new revelation.

So for those who do not have that eternal life in them...these need a new revelation of Christ. For they who already have had that revelation and that walk in the past...they need to reckon themselves as they now are and not go back to the old patterns. We are not to just go along with other people in order to fit in better with them...but to remain distinct...holy to God. A peculiar people.
 
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Adam is dead as Christ was dead on that tree, the life that comes from Adam's death is Christ life, the only life there is. There was/is a misconception in the body of Christ that we must die to something that plagued us, die to this and die to that. You can't die to anything, you (I Adam) are already dead in Christ.
HI soul man,

That's it, imo! Christians have the tendency to identify with the body of flesh, Adam's descendant. But that would be @bbyrd009 's DMA.

I just used this on another thread, so hopefully I will be forgiven! ;)

Focusing on the flesh, the works of the flesh, the Laws and condemnations and everything everyone and ourselves heap upon ourselves, it makes our life about trying to avoid swirling too close to the drain.

But by retaining that knowledge that we are no longer the sinner, no longer rejected, but accepted, fully and completely at all times, because of Christ, it becomes about reaching upward to that glistening city in the sky, towards the fulness of Christ, towards Him.

Much love!
 
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Your post is very interesting...and I like it in part. I agree with your assessment of importance of the oneness of God. Your approach is needful and helpful to growth into Christ. But a revelation of the indwelling Christ?

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. "The revelation of Jesus Christ" is Paul describing to us in Galatians 1:11-12, his gospel.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul's gospel is "the revelation of Jesus Christ."


And again Paul tells us God revealed the indwelling Christ in him, Galatians 1:15-16

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul has a moment in time after he was a believer when God revealed Christ "in" Paul. "When it pleased God" has the element of time in it.
 

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That's it, imo! Christians have the tendency to identify with the body of flesh, Adam's descendant.

Hello marks, seems we do at times. The struggle we get into is with the mind. We lived so long in this flesh it is as easy as breathing to identify with. No one imo will ever conquer it, maybe keep it in subjection, some better than others, but doesn't matter God knows. The bible deals more with the soul of man than any other topic, the mind is in the soul and is an expresser of your creation. That's why there's nothing wrong with your soul, created in the image and likeness of God, but misused and abused since the fall in the garden. When we got saved, it was the spirit that was saved and made complete by Christ in you. There was no miracle for the mind, it must learn and come to revelation and understanding of the new Christ in you nature-life-spirit. Whatever you want to call it, the soul-mind must grow in grace and knowledge. Without it, we operate out of the old mind set of "the knowledge of good and evil."
 
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Hello marks, seems we do at times. The struggle we get into is with the mind. We lived so long in this flesh it is as easy as breathing to identify with. No one imo will ever conquer it, maybe keep it in subjection, some better than others, but doesn't matter God knows. The bible deals more with the soul of man than any other topic, the mind is in the soul and is an expresser of your creation. That's why there's nothing wrong with your soul, created in the image and likeness of God, but misused and abused since the fall in the garden. When we got saved, it was the spirit that was saved and made complete by Christ in you. There was no miracle for the mind, it must learn and come to revelation and understanding of the new Christ in you nature-life-spirit. Whatever you want to call it, the soul-mind must grow in grace and knowledge. Without it, we operate out of the old mind set of "the knowledge of good and evil."
Hi soul man,

Sometimes there is the miracle of the mind, and of the brain. I know. There was a time God was doing some of the heavy lifting in me, and there was a day I was reading a Psalm, and the words spoke directly to what troubled me so very much for so very long, and in that moment fully released my mind, and even in the physiology of my brain, He released me - for a time. I was able to see the new man, without the stain of the, for a time. But I have to say, even though I eventually returned to my previous state, once I knew what it was like, and that it is real, this new mind of Christ life, I understood this is God's plan and desire for us.

So many years of being taught "we'll always be sinners", "you can't expect to not sin for any length of time", all that sort of nonesense!

Much love!
 
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