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What on earth is that supposed to mean? Every time anyone disagrees it is because they have "religious glasses on"? Perhaps it is you who have "religious glasses on" since you seem to see "religious" impulses in everyone but yourself.
You just said that "faith is God given".
Which is to say and believe, that the word " faith" and its meaning is from God ONLY. Really??
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People drive their cars down the road at 60+ mph, at two feet apart, in two opposite directions.
I for one, surely do have FAITH in my human ability to prevent myself from crossing the dividing line, and hitting any one of the many vehicles traveling in the opposite direction!
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If I shall say that I hope that I won't hit anyone, then what am I saying about my faith in my own human decision making process, as well as those traveling the opposite direction?
Therefore, it is evident, that we do have human faith in one's own ability, as well as for others, otherwise we shouldn't walk or drive anywhere near passing cars!!
 

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I've never seen anyone yet who was able to will themselves well. On the other hand, I have seen a few people with the faith that God would heal them--sometimes He did, sometimes He did not. But either way, their faith remained. The Apostle Paul said, "To die is to gain..."
Evidently and reportedly, Christopher Reeves thought that he could will himself to be well, as do many others, who dabble in the wickedness of "New Age" thinking. It's called "that spirit of antichrist" .
They truly do believe that they are god's unto themselves!
 

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2 Thes. 2
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 

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It's not "[that] [W]icked" , but rather "the wicked".
And also, for the newer translations, it's not
"[that] [man] of lawlessness", but rather
"the lawless".
[Brackets] mean that words were inserted by the translators, whether that be for the KJV, or the NIV etc.
 

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Is it necessary to insult those with whom you disagree?

Yes, He did and yes, I remember that He did. He came to bring the spiritual kingdom in His first visitation. He will come to judge and then cover the earth with His righteous rule in His second visitation. Listening to so-called "deeper truths" was what got the church at Thyatira into trouble with the Risen Lord Jesus (Revelation 2:24). The obvious and clear meaning of the surface text is quite enough for me, thanks.
In the Day of Christ's Glorious and Fiery Return from Heaven, the AGE of God's Grace will have ended, being the fulness in the meaning of "blessed and holy is he, that hath part in the first resurrection".

Yes, it began spiritually (Pentecos),but it shall end physically, in that we shall "on that Day of God", be then made to be, changed, resurrected into His Likeness of his Immortality of physical NEW flesh.
 

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Therefore, there is no need of God to fabricate an additional, literal 1000 years (as you believe).
And for what? To be paraded around in front of unsaved people, who missed out on the first resurrection? Knowing that, should they ask if they can be immortal as we, we shall have to answer them:
"NO! Your life is of no account! The First resurrection is past!"
"THE Millennium" is a "religious" belief, fabricated from dysfunctional OT prophecy, and is Not going to happen!
 

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He is already here in a flaming fire. Earburner not sure what you are saying. There are only two ways ...either under “subject to vanity” and the bondage of corruption or HOPE. Either flesh (subject to vanity) or born again of the Spirit(HOPE). Chastisement of the Father of spirits breaks vanity and brings a new birth and is good and needed for(HOPE) in God the Father and not man. Jeremiah 13:1-27 says it best. We have to keep in mind it IS the flesh which profits nothing. It is the flesh that comes to nothing.

“Thus saith the Lord unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water. [2] So I got a girdle according to the word of the Lord , and put it on my loins. [3] And the word of the Lord came unto me the second time, saying, [4] Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock. [5] So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the Lord commanded me. [6] And it came to pass after many days, that the Lord said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there. [7] Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing. [8] Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [9] Thus saith the Lord , After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem. [10] This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing. [11] For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the Lord ; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear. [12] Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine? [13] Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the Lord , Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness. [14] And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord : I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. [15] Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the Lord hath spoken. [16] Give glory to the Lord your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness. [17] But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the Lord's flock is carried away captive. [18] Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory. [19] The cities of the south shall be shut up, and none shall open them : Judah shall be carried away captive all of it, it shall be wholly carried away captive. [20] Lift up your eyes, and behold them that come from the north: where is the flock that was given thee, thy beautiful flock? [21] What wilt thou say when he shall punish thee? for thou hast taught them to be captains, and as chief over thee: shall not sorrows take thee, as a woman in travail? [22] And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare. [23] Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? WITH God ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. “Then May you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.”
^it is a promise not a question


Go back in the OT at the table they are called to eat of which God say He prepared calling the fowls and beast...the result is drunkenness. Now consider Paul’s warning of eating if the table unworthy and bring damnation instead. Consider the “girdle” and the opposite of the above passage of kings filled with drunkenness and pride coming down with1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Don’t you see ...they are eating now? “Let their table become a snare”

John 13:4-5
[4] He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. [5] After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Yes, we who are born again of His Spirit, are baptized by His Spiritual fire. However, as Paul saidh
Rom. 6[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.
> Did not Jesus rise from the dead in his physical, immortal body with NEW Life, and then Ascend into Heaven as the same?
Be careful that you don't spiritualize the Resurrection of our Lord altogether.
That would be anathema!
 

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You just said that "faith is God given".
Which is to say and believe, that the word " faith" and its meaning is from God ONLY. Really??

I was speaking of REAL faith--all else is a deception from the enemy.
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I for one, surely do have FAITH in my human ability to prevent myself from crossing the dividing line, and hitting any one of the many vehicles traveling in the opposite direction!
Then, you have put your "faith" in the wrong person, place or thing. God is the only One worthy of our faith in Him. The fact that accidents such as your depiction do happen, indicates that humans are not omnipotent and therefore completely unworthy of "our faith" in them. I expect that you don't really have "faith" in yourself. Can you stop your car from spinning out of control after hitting a patch of ice or pile of wet leaves? Instead, your (probably) accident-free driving history enables you to PREDICT (with some reasonable probability) that any new trip will be accident-free as well. Rational humans weigh probable risk constantly. That is why we are warned to stay off the roads when they are covered in ice.
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If I shall say that I hope that I won't hit anyone, then what am I saying about my faith in my own human decision making process, as well as those traveling the opposite direction?
Therefore, it is evident, that we do have human faith in one's own ability, as well as for others, otherwise we shouldn't walk or drive anywhere near passing cars!!
No, I say that experience tells you that you will probably remain unscathed. Weighing probabilities--not faith.
 
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Therefore, there is no need of God to fabricate an additional, literal 1000 years (as you believe).
Nevertheless, that is what the Bible teaches.
And for what? To be paraded around in front of unsaved people, who missed out on the first resurrection? Knowing that, should they ask if they can be immortal as we, we shall have to answer them: "NO! Your life is of no account! The First resurrection is past!"
They won't be asking anything as they will be in the ground waiting for their final judgment after the Second Resurrection.
"THE Millennium" is a "religious" belief, fabricated from dysfunctional OT prophecy, and is Not going to happen!
You think you absolutely know that but, I say, based on the certainty of Biblical prophecy, the Millennial Kingdom WILL happen. Why would God waste His and His prophets' time making prophecies that He knew would never come true? Have a good day. ;)
 

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Evidently and reportedly, Christopher Reeves thought that he could will himself to be well, as do many others, who dabble in the wickedness of "New Age" thinking. It's called "that spirit of antichrist" .
They truly do believe that they are god's unto themselves!

They are quite deceived, are they not? They may worship themselves or any of their false gods--just as they will worship the "Beast". The Bible never says that those who worship the Beast have faith in him. They apparently don't even know what faith is.
 

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They are quite deceived, are they not? They may worship themselves or any of their false gods--just as they will worship the "Beast". The Bible never says that those who worship the Beast have faith in him. They apparently don't even know what faith is.
When a person prays to an idol, whether, wood, stone or whatever, they are expecting results of their prayers, which IS FAITH, though it be in vain.
You just cannot let go of the "religiosity" of your ways! Stop trying to make "faith" only of God, or for God only!
 

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All people have faith as men, but only Born Again Christians have the Faith OF JESUS! That level of with is Gifted by God!!
 

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Nevertheless, that is what the Bible teaches.
They won't be asking anything as they will be in the ground waiting for their final judgment after the Second Resurrection.
You think you absolutely know that but, I say, based on the certainty of Biblical prophecy, the Millennial Kingdom WILL happen. Why would God waste His and His prophets' time making prophecies that He knew would never come true? Have a good day. ;)
Nope! You are misunderstanding the symbolism for the meaning of "a thousand years", and where/how it is being applied. 2 Peter 3:8.
I have alright already explained it for detail.
Maybe to read this, it will help:
Because Jesus himself did not know when He was going to physically return, all that He could hint at (in his parables too) was that it would be A LONG TIME, as in ....maybe "a thousand years", or maybe more!!
KJV- 2 Thes. 2:3 shows us that, by using the word "except" and NOT "until".
"Until" denotes "time", whereas "except" shows that an event must occur first.
What is that event that must come first?
You know the answer!
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Therefore, if that event does not happen for another 500 years, God's Grace will still be in the world, available for repentance and forgiveness!!
 

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You just cannot let go of the "religiosity" of your ways! Stop trying to make "faith" only of God, or for God only!

There you go with your "religiosity" insult again--and then you "order" me to "stop trying to make..."?

Isaiah (see Isaiah 44:9-20) uses reason against idol-worship--did he have "religiosity" too?
 

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Nope! You are misunderstanding the symbolism for the meaning of "a thousand years", and where/how it is being applied. 2 Peter 3:8.
I have alright already explained it for detail.
Maybe to read this, it will help:
Because Jesus himself did not know when He was going to physically return, all that He could hint at (in his parables too) was that it would be A LONG TIME, as in ....maybe "a thousand years", or maybe more!!
KJV- 2 Thes. 2:3 shows us that, by using the word "except" and NOT "until".
"Until" denotes "time", whereas "except" shows that an event must occur first.
What is that event that must come first?
You know the answer!
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Therefore, if that event does not happen for another 500 years, God's Grace will still be in the world, available for repentance and forgiveness!!

Why do you think this refutes anything I have said? Jesus HAS been gone a long time already. Many in the early church believed that He could return at any time. Peter suggested that maybe Jesus wouldn't return as soon as they had hoped.
 

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They are quite deceived, are they not? They may worship themselves or any of their false gods--just as they will worship the "Beast". The Bible never says that those who worship the Beast have faith in him. They apparently don't even know what faith is.
They won't be asking anything as they will be in the ground waiting for their final judgment after the Second Resurrection.
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That just goes to show you, how many fabrications there are that are out there on that wild eyed concoction by religion of
"THE" Millennium"!
It's about as equal in variations to "THE" "Seven year Pre, Mid, or Post Tribulation."
Of which I always say:
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.
 

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There you go with your "religiosity" insult again--and then you "order" me to "stop trying to make..."?

Isaiah (see Isaiah 44:9-20) uses reason against idol-worship--did he have "religiosity" too?
You are not hearing what I say!
You avoided the point I made about a person who PRAYS to an idol. For them to expect an answer, means THEY PRAYED IN FAITH, though vain as it is.
You are not listening to HIS thoughts about His OWN words. Isa. 55:8-9.
 

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Revelation 20:11-13--->"11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from His presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done...."

That just goes to show you, how many fabrications there are that are out there on that wild eyed concoction by religion of
"THE" Millennium"!
You are apparently the one who has fabricated.

It's about as equal in variations to "THE" "Seven year Pre, Mid, or Post Tribulation."
Of which I always say: "There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.
LOL--Quoting yourself again? :D