Synagogue of Satan Rev.3:9

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Do we have any specfics to watch out for identifing the Synagogue of Satan?Rev 3:9 "....who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you."This is to the church of Philadelphia and Smyrna Rev 2:9Wish ( I can wish at Christmas ) I knew more about the Synagogue of Satan and why they will worship at the feet of the church of Philadelphia
 

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Do we have any specfics to watch out for identifing the Synagogue of Satan?Rev 3:9 "....who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you."This is to the church of Philadelphia and Smyrna Rev 2:9
Those who said they were Jews, but were not, must have been Jews who claimed to be Christians, but who persecuted the true churches. There are those who say that these people were Jews by religion, but this seems very unlikely, as true Judaism was by then Christianity (Jn 1:47, Phil 3:3). The likelihood is that they were Jews such as opposed the apostles in Jerusalem (Acts 15:1,5), who proposed such Jewish habits as circumcision and keeping of sabbaths and other special occasions. They were here being treated by God as pagans, because it was pagans who, in the OT, were prophesied as bowing to the true worshippers. For example:'Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations — their kings led in triumphal procession. For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.' Isa 60:11-12 NIVMoreover, these Jews will know that it is those they persecuted who were chosen and loved by God, not themselves, because in Malachi they read:'"I have loved you," says the Lord. "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?'"' Mal 1:2 NIVHow is this relevant today? There have been, and remain, many who call themselves Christian who are legalists, who say, 'You must do this, you must do that, to be saved'. The Christian knows that he or she is justified with the perfect righteousness of Christ through faith, righteousness that needs no 'topping up' through deeds done for that purpose.
 

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Do we have any specifics to watch out for identifying the Synagogue of Satan?
We have no specifics for identifying them other than knowing their method of operation, whereby we know where to look for them and can protect ourselves and families accordingly.
[11] And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;[12] When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Manual labor will not yield profit for Cain's descendants, because of this they have been vagabonds and fugitives, moving from one country to the next, making their fortunes off the labor of others. This is why they can be found among the scribes and money lenders in biblical times, so it is today.
 

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Do we have any specfics to watch out for identifing the Synagogue of Satan?Rev 3:9 "....who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you."This is to the church of Philadelphia and Smyrna Rev 2:9Wish ( I can wish at Christmas ) I knew more about the Synagogue of Satan and why they will worship at the feet of the church of Philadelphia
the Kenites are examples of these, and The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
 

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Do we have any specfics to watch out for identifing the Synagogue of Satan?Rev 3:9 "....who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you."This is to the church of Philadelphia and Smyrna Rev 2:9Wish ( I can wish at Christmas ) I knew more about the Synagogue of Satan and why they will worship at the feet of the church of Philadelphia
This teachings on this verse can get very deep into the different levels of Gods Word this verse is one part of the hidden mysteries of Gods word known as the KEY of David mentioned in Rev. 3:7And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;Ezra 2:59 -2:62 covers the kenites and those that infiltrated the Israelites but were not Jews. Can we trace theses people today no probably not by name but I suspect we need to look at types of that in today's world Radical Islamists say they believe in the God of bible but they worship Allah is this a type of those who claim to be believers but are not? Who claim to worship the God of the Bible but follow Laws that contract ict Gods laws. There are many others but I think in this day this is the best example we have.Of those claiming to worship our God while in reality they worship another
 

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Ezra 2:59 -2:62 covers the kenites and those that infiltrated the Israelites
Why did these people infiltrate? What did they achieve?
Can we trace theses people today no probably not by name
There are therefore no persons who can be certainly identified as Kenites.
but I suspect we need to look at types of that in today's world Radical Islamists say they believe in the God of bible but they worship Allah is this a type of those who claim to be believers but are not?
One does not need to be a radical Muslim, an ordinary Muslim, a Mormon, a Catholic or a liberal 'Christian' to be a false believer. Those who claim to be believers but are not may be those who say they believe in justification by faith in the cross of Christ, and may be passionate, well-known evangelical preachers. Those who change the Scripture the least are the most difficult to detect.
 

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Why did these people infitrate? What did they achieve?
Both reasons are quite obvious when you begin to study the Kenites and their nature. Someone intent on deliberate perversion of something can more easily twist and corrupt Scripture, practices and so forth.Confusion begets confusion and babel begets more babel quite frankly.Acknowledgement of the existence of the Kenites doesn't really change that there are other groups out there that are deceived and are would be deceivers. I don't quite understand why the Kenites existence would conflict with the idea that there are a lot of people out there working against God. In fact, the Kenites go hand in hand with your statement about the smallest changes in Scripture and those who appear as something they are not which this infiltration of the priestly line underscores.
 

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Both reasons are quite obvious when you begin to study the Kenites and their nature. Someone intent on deliberate perversion of something can more easily twist and corrupt Scripture, practices and so forth.
What did the descendants of Delaiah, Tobiah and Nekoda intend to do? If they were infiltrators, there must be some evidence of their intentions and the effects.
 

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Why did these people infiltrate? What did they achieve?There are therefore no persons who can be certainly identified as Kenites.One does not need to be a radical Muslim, an ordinary Muslim, a Mormon, a Catholic or a liberal 'Christian' to be a false believer. Those who claim to be believers but are not may be those who say they believe in justification by faith in the cross of Christ, and may be passionate, well-known evangelical preachers. Those who change the Scripture the least are the most difficult to detect.
As I said this can get to be very indepth as its part of the Key of David which is covered inpart by the kenites,You have difficulty understanding the simple teachings of Kenites to go deeper at this point is fruitless.I said no NAMES left today may be able to be traced the types are all around us some of which you mention belowI said there are MANY of which Radical Islamists maybe the most visable not the only ones
 

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As I said this can get to be very indepth as its part of the Key of David which is covered inpart by the kenites
There is not the smallest piece of evidence that any Kenites were involved in this matter. Certain persons who almost certainly thought themselves to be Jews, who were almost certainly thought to be Jews by other Jews, people who were no doubt circumcised and following Mosaic law, were unable to find their family records. There might have been a perfectly good reason for this, they having been displaced to Babylon and forced to live under foreign rule for a long time. There is not the least indication in Scripture that these families were infiltrators, and had they been, they had no influence upon policy because they were denied citizenship.
I said no NAMES left today may be able to be traced the types are all around us some of which you mention below
If there are no names traceable, there can be no proper claim that there are Kenites in existence today. There is no shortage of false teachers today, and there never has been since truth was first preached. This is nothing whatever to do with Kenites, however, a tribe who were friendly to the Israelites but, along with many other tribes of the period, has long become unidentifiable, if indeed there are any surviving descendants.
 

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There is not the smallest piece of evidence that any Kenites were involved in this matter. Certain persons who almost certainly thought themselves to be Jews, who were almost certainly thought to be Jews by other Jews, people who were no doubt circumcised and following Mosaic law, were unable to find their family records. There might have been a perfectly good reason for this, they having been displaced to Babylon and forced to live under foreign rule for a long time. There is not the least indication in Scripture that these families were infiltrators, and had they been, they had no influence upon policy because they were denied citizenship.
Pointer, surely someone who so heavily leans on what many academic Christian scholars say would be familiar with the importance of the records of generations when it came to the Jews. This wasn't just something that you lost when there were so many others who were under the very same circumstances and didn't seem to have a problem. The Bible takes the time to make the observation that this occurred, if it was of no consequence it would not even be there. These are the teachers and priests of Israel and more specifically Judah. This is a pretty serious corruption.As for what happened, it's written right there in the Bible for you when you rightly divide it. The priests were corrupted and Israel (aka the House of Judah that returned from captivity) fell further away, culminating with this same priestly group that made up the Sanhedrin which later arrested and "charged" Jesus with an utterly fallacious charge.
 

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Pointer, surely someone who so heavily leans on what many academic Christian scholars say would be familiar with the importance of the records of generations when it came to the Jews. This wasn't just something that you lost when there were so many others who were under the very same circumstances and didn't seem to have a problem.
One cannot say that all were under the same circumstances. It would have been extraordinary if so many people were all under the same circumstances. In wartime, the differing personalities of local military chiefs can and usually do have a great effect on local conditions, as indeed can the way different people react to captivity. But in any case, record-keeping was one thing at home in Israel, but under captivity it may have been another thing altogether. It may have been that records were kept centrally, and fire or other disturbance destroyed them. It may have been that proper records were not permitted, and never made.These Jews were allowed to return by Cyrus, who wrote:'Anyone of his people among you — may his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem in Judah and build the temple of the Lord.' Ezra 1:3 NIVNow uncircumcised persons would not have been allowed to leave by Cyrus; nobody not thought to be a Jew would have been permitted to leave. These unfortunate people were from a few known localities, people who would have been known as Jews to other Jews. That was not good enough, though- actual genealogies were necessary.
As for what happened, it's written right there in the Bible for you when you rightly divide it. The priests were corrupted
Priests did not need infiltration from Babylon to be corrupted! Priests, prophets and kings were quite capable of becoming corrupt of their own free will.
 

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Now uncircumcised persons would not have been allowed to leave by Cyrus; nobody not thought to be a Jew would have been permitted to leave. These unfortunate people were from a few known localities, people who would have been known as Jews to other Jews. That was not good enough, though- actual genealogies were necessary.
These people worked their way into the priesthood long before the captivity pointer, they were given to the Levites as temple servants and they were called Nethinim. On the way back from Babylon it was discovered that there were no Levites among the priests. FACT. Wait a second, only Levites can be priests right? RIGHT, somebody did some infiltrating. Many years had passed and these people were accepted, the same as we have done in our country(rightly so in our case). So obviously they were circumcised, as some of them were priests, why would you even think that they weren't? It's really hard to respond to a statement as awkward as this one as the fact that they were circumcised and believed to be Jews by their brethren goes without saying when discussing this subject, that's exactly what they were trying to achieve.
Priests did not need infiltration from Babylon to be corrupted! Priests, prophets and kings were quite capable of becoming corrupt of their own free will.
Very true, but completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether Cain's descendants did infiltrate the priesthood of Judah. Which they did of course.
 

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These people worked their way into the priesthood long before the captivity pointer, they were given to the Levites as temple servants and they were called Nethinim.
These people were not Nethinim, who were accounted for separately. See Ezra 2:43-54.
On the way back from Babylon it was discovered that there were no Levites among the priests. FACT.
See Ezra 2:36-40.
Wait a second, only Levites can be priests right? RIGHT, somebody did some infiltrating.
'Then the family heads of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and Levites — everyone whose heart God had moved — prepared to go up and build the house of the Lord in Jerusalem.' Ezra 1:5-6 NIVMaybe someone accepted a few non-Levites as priests at times of shortage. It is quite unjustified to assign motive, which may have been for simple personal advantage if it was at all malign.Neither the exilic Jews nor anyone else could, without divine revelation, have foretold that Cyrus was to permit a return to Israel, so it is impossible that there were non-Jews long plotting priestly infiltration. There is not the least evidence that there was internal opposition to the building of the Jerusalem temple, though there was plenty of external opposition, of course.
Very true
Quite. So it is not justified to blame any particular sect for the later heresies of the Jews.
but completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether Cain's descendants did infiltrate the priesthood of Judah.
That's irrelevant.
Which they did of course.
There is not a shred of evidence for Kenite infiltration.
 

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Ther are NO deep dark mysterious secrets to understanding these verses...why all the confusion?........this is speaking of those who proclaim to be jews but are not.simple as that.....they align themselves with pagans/false religion etc...since judaism rejected the Messiah it has become a tool of satan just as pagans....idol worshipers..emperor worshipers etc....As I said....there is NO deep mystery to these verses.......to quote the Fox......"confusion begats confusion"............regards.Pop
 

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Ther are NO deep dark mysterious secrets to understanding these verses...why all the confusion?........this is speaking of those who proclaim to be jews but are not.simple as that.....they align themselves with pagans/false religion etc...since judaism rejected the Messiah it has become a tool of satan just as pagans....idol worshipers..emperor worshipers etc....As I said....there is NO deep mystery to these verses.......to quote the Fox......"confusion begats confusion"............regards.Pop
There were those who were actually preaching the gospel, despite hating it:'Indeed, some preach Christ out of jealousy and contention.' Phil 1:15Nothing has changed in that regard. There is nothing at all deep about this.
 

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pointer's argument of poor record keeping is ridiculous these people didn't carry around documents most could not read or write these things were carved or written on animals skins by scribes they didn't have last namesthey were Tribes very well known by each other. They were known as the son or a daughter of John the Shepard, and so forth there were not millions of them and who you were and your linage was extremely important.How many pages of the bible a given to genealogy These people didn't carry passports to the Airport they very seldom traveled farther than a few days walk from where they were born they were known by all in their tribes. And as for Pops saying there is no mystery or iniquity at work here then tell me What is meant by the Key of David just because a person isn't aware of a certain teachings doesn't mean its not there.Swampfox has done a very good job explaining this above and if you are not getting it then put it on the shelf till you do.All the rationalizeing and debating of it changes nothing it is Gods teaching If you don't see it the lack of understanding is on your part not Gods word.
 

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pointer's argument of poor record keeping is ridiculous these people didn't carry around documents most could not read or write these things were carved or written on animals skins by scribes
So they could have been without record quite innocently.
they didn't have last names they were Tribes very well known by each other.
Genealogies were required, so that cannot have been the case. The Jews could hardly have known each other; there were over 42,000 of them in Babylonia, and of course, before the captivity, far more than that number in Judaea. In Israel, accurate genealogies were absolutely essential for determining inheritance and property rights, and had to be recorded by scribes. However, in captivity this could have been difficult to achieve, and may not even have been thought necessary, if there seemed to be no prospect of returning to Israel. The fault of those few without records may have been a laxity of faith rather than a determination to corrupt it; or, it may have been no fault of theirs, the lack of documents being due to local conditions or accident.Even if there was an attempt to corrupt Judaism from the inside, it was very poorly thought out and did not work. The problems were severe, but all external.
And as for Pops saying there is no mystery or iniquity at work here then tell me What is meant by the Key of David
We are told directly what the key is for. It opened a door for the Philadelphians:'These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.... See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut... I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars — I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.' Rev 3:8-9 NIVNow this promise surely relates to the passage in Isaiah quoted earlier:'Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations — their kings led in triumphal procession. For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.' Isa 60:11-12 NIV
 

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Scripture backs up scripture yet you continue to deny what it says in favor of your own opinions then you want us to argue with your opinions I for one am not interested in your continual denial of what scriputure says vs pointers opinions Swampfox has told you what it says what it means.If thats not your opinion fine But it is God's word
 

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PointerDo a study on who owns the major newspapers,magazines,and television networks,and also who actually runs the Federal ResereveThis is where you will find the kenites,believe me they are very much still around,waiting on their father,in fact they are setting the stage for his coming,and do you know what the sad part of this is,when he comes(satan)the majority of the world will think he is Christ.Someone brought up the Churches in Rev,let me just say that these 7 churches repersent the types of churches that are here now,and not in a sequence of time,it would be well to study what the two churches taught that Christ found no fault with.